Danielle Brown Accused of Killing Her Six-Month-Old Daughter
In South Carolina, six-month-old Hailey Wilson had been stomped on, slapped around, and choked to death. Her mother, Danielle Bowen, who had turned 18 just a few days before Hailey died, is accused of killing her. She is charged with homicide by child abuse.
Police arrested Bowen after she called 911 to report her baby had stopped breathing and had no pulse. An autopsy shows that Hailey died from being stepped on, choked and slapped. She was left unattended for 20 minutes before emergency workers came to the house.
Bowen told police that she accidentally stepped on the baby while trying to get to her 18-month-old son. Bowen’s family claims she has post-partum depression. Her attorney says that she was under tremendous stress because she’s young. She got pregnant when she was 16 and dropped out of school. Even so, she was still with the father of both her kids and was engaged to be married to him. (Gosh, didn’t anyone tell these two about birth control after she had the first kid?)
Bowen is in jail after the judge set a $250,000 surety bond in the case. She’s considered a flight risk and threat to her other child. (The boy is in the custody of his father’s parents.)
Unless they can prove that the baby’s daddy did it, I believe the right person’s in jail. What do you think?
56 opinions for Danielle Brown Accused of Killing Her Six-Month-Old Daughter
onthegowith5xy
Feb 16, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Homicide? That is a joke! She needs to be charged with murder!!! She murdered that poor baby! Yes she was young, but it that doesn’t give her the right to beat her child to death! I hope she spends the rest of her life in prison. She chose to have that baby, that innocent baby didn’t ask to be born! Young or not, she needs to pay for killing that little girl. I hope the little boy is in a good place. This is sad, so so sad! Another baby looses it’s life because the mother cares more about herself. Will it ever end?
rockdoll_71
Feb 16, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Oh, her attorney claims she was under tremendous stress because she’s young. WHO THE HELL CARES? She couldn’t figure out the concept of birth control after her first baby and this stupid bitch is only 18?!! It’s her own fault. It’s not like birth control is hard to get hold of and if your poor, it’s free in most places. There is no excuse. She beat and stomped on this baby, causing her death. This white trash bitch deserves whatever she gets. I hope she ROTS in jail and in hell!!
onthegowith5xy
Feb 16, 2008 at 7:45 pm
I agree with you 100% rockdoll! Who cares about the age of this so called mother! That poor baby suffered a horrible death because of this girl and she needs to pay! God, this makes me so sad! I wish I could adopt every mis treated child in the world! This breaks my heart!
April RJ
Feb 16, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Stupid TRAMP!! SHe could have kept her damn knees together and that would have eliminated some stress. That baby didn’t ask to be brought into the world - She had no right to end her little life so soon. Stupid, stupid bitch. Maybe some mother in prison 9that misses their child) will stomp her head and choke her…
rockdoll_71
Feb 16, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Oh April, I can only hope that happens.
Onthegowith5, like you, these stories tear my heart out but they also make me so angry because there is ALWAYS some liberal douchebag lawyer or someone (like Carys) who wants to make excuses for the evil things they have done. There is NOTHING more innocent than a baby. There is NO VALID excuse for killing your child. You know when you are about to snap. There is help out there. There are safe havens. There are other alternatives.
She should have taken the proper precautions to ensure that pregnancy did not occur again. This girl is just plain damn stupid. I have always said that stupidity carries a high price. In her case, I certainly hope she gets to pay it. I have NO SYMPATHY at all for an idiot, much less a baby killer.
shadehg
Feb 17, 2008 at 12:28 am
I can’t believe that someone could be so selfish and soulless that they could stomp a baby to death. And their age has nothing to do with it. She’s just a stupid whore and flat out baby killer!
rockdoll_71
Feb 17, 2008 at 1:39 am
shadehg, yes, you are right. I can’t believe anyone could be so evil that they could literally stomp the life out of their own baby. God, it’s sickening. All of these stories bother me but some, like this one, are just too horrible to believe. This bitch is a horrible, horrible person.
April RJ
Feb 17, 2008 at 9:07 am
Evil is a nice way of putting it. She is evil to say the very least. I can even spank m 7 year old - I have a hard time understanding how someone could STOMP a baby!! Stupid b*tch. GRRRRR!
cavbaby
Feb 18, 2008 at 8:50 am
These type of monsters make me sick- I hope that she gets life in prison….no parole– I cannot understand why these so- called parents seem to think that the easiest way to make a baby stop crying is to kill him/her- I get sick to my stomach reading horror stories of babies being stomped on and just thrown away–If your baby is such a pain in your a** & cramps your lifestyle how about placing them w/ a family that would LOVE to have them- I am a proud adoptive mom to the sweetest little man on earth- I agree w/ April RJ… I cannot even fathom the thought of spanking my child- It just WILL NOT happen— Some children just need to be taken away from their parents– I hope they look into the Dad’s history as well–
Send the Mom to prison— you think she’s young…. let’s hope she’s very, very old when she finally rots in her little jail cell….
sees4
Feb 18, 2008 at 10:50 am
From the pictures I have seen of her during court she doesnt even seem like she regrets what she has done. It kind of looks like she is relieved or relaxed. Which makes me think even more that this was no accident.
rockdoll_71
Feb 18, 2008 at 11:16 pm
cavbaby, I would like to thank you for taking in a child that needed you. I wish there were more people like you.
Amy
Feb 19, 2008 at 5:27 am
That “relieved and relaxed” look is apathy. It comes when one’s ability to feel is burned out.
We should care about the age of the mother and post partum depression because we want to understand how these things happen so we can prevent them. Young mothers are particularly easy to overwhelm. Most of us wouldn’t have a babysitter that young watch our two babies overnight. They lack the maturity and patience. Yet it is this kid’s “freedom” to bear two children. She only loses her “freedom” only when she stomps them.
I think our idea of freedom comes from a different era. We lack the connectedness that would make this level of freedom viable. “Anything goes” is not the same as freedom.
How often do we tell our 16 year olds “no”? All the damn time. They’re just not capable of much responsibility, not yet. But somehow this teen mother was left to her own devices. We’re surprised she couldn’t cut it, flew into a violent rage? We all share responsibility for this. We let a 16 year old drop out stay overnight with children we profess to care about. Well, we care about them now that one is stomped to death.
I’m mad at us. Does this teen mess seem like she’s capable of much of anything?
Years ago I spent time with a very young neighbor with mental retardation. She had three kids by three different men, was wholly committed to parenting as her first priority but had no clue. She wept over her failed systems for remembering to take her Pill. I told her about tubal ligation. She was elated and got one immediately. She was ignorant, and innocent in her ignorance. I, knowing, connected, became responsible as soon as I knew.
Well now I’m not responsible because I don’t know any limited mothers. Or so I fool myself into thinking. Today I realize that’s shirking. I’m contacting our teen mother program today and offering free babysitting.
Pak67
Feb 19, 2008 at 8:40 am
onthegowith5xy, unless I am mistaken homicide IS murder. It’s human upon human murder, right??? Anyway, this girl is disturbed. Has no head on her shoulders and needs major help. SHe is just an adult and look at what she’s already done in her short life??? Too bad that instead of giving up herself sexually so young, she would have just been a regular teen and life wouldn’t be so hard. It’s hard to have pity(post partum being a reason for this) on her when she had the choice to do good, and those around her that knew she was stressed did nothing.
Pak67
Feb 19, 2008 at 8:47 am
Wow, had to add that I watched the video link and that little girl was just adorable. How any mother could do that just makes no sense. I love the attorney trying to say she had 2 kids, just turned 18, she’s under a lot of stress. Well no Sh8t sherlock!! But that’s not an excuse to stomp on a 6month olds head. This act should not be tolerated and she should go to jail and have the crap scarred out of her. SHe needs someone to set her straight.
Pak67
Feb 19, 2008 at 8:53 am
To Amy, please don’t speak for all of “us”. I do not share the blame for this woman’s choice. I think you can tell she’s not from the best educated background. We don’t know what her life was like prior to all of her sexual inuendos etc. Maybe she IS a product of bad parenting and maybe she turned to this guy for a feeling of being wanted etc. I am sure she WAS overwhelmed. Who knows?? What I do know is that this innocent baby is dead, if she did it then she needs to pay the price. There is no excuse for what she did. I will not take any blame for it.
maminka1979
Feb 19, 2008 at 9:19 am
The dissagreement between Pak67 and Amy falls into the “…am I my brothers’ keeper…? catagory. Are we as a society responsible for poor parenting choices? We as a culture have to deal with the effects of poor life skills everyday in the children that come from these homes (in the form of foster care refugees and the criminals and killers many kids without proper love and guidance become). On the other hand, I (who have taken years of parenting classes to give my children the things I did not learn in an abusive home) do not want the government deciding how I raise my children. In the movie “Seven”, Morgan Freeman says the line “…it’s easier to beat a child than to raise him…”, and it must be true because raising my children with love and respect (you have to respect a child to teach them to respect you) is the hardest thing I have ever done. And the most rewarding.
All these monsters written about on this site take the “easy” way out and it pisses me off. Hey idiots, if I have to put time and work and love in everyday to make a productive member of society than so do you. I look into my childrens’ big blue eyes and want to protect them from everything and everyone until my dying breath (if there is an afterworld I’ll do everything I can to protect them then too).
rockdoll_71
Feb 19, 2008 at 10:25 am
Pak67 and maminka, I agree with you guys 100%. IF YOU CHOOSE THE ACTION, YOU CHOOSE THE CONSEQUENCE.
This girl knew by now, I’m sure, how babies arrive into this world. She’s certainly old enough to know right from wrong. She could have taken many other options than destroying her precious child that I and many others would loved to have had. I don’t give a damn about her. If she would have tried to seek help, that’s one thing but she murdered that innocent child.
Here is where my sympathy ends, with her.
Amy
Feb 19, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Since some of “us,” (capable parents) are unwilling to take blame/responsibility/action, more children will die or suffer. There will certainly be more incapable parents. But in this dog-eat-dog, survival of the fittest scenario some of are invested in, it’s ok because it’s not MY baby.
Sure, this teen will face consequences. Should her Hailey have had to face those consequences with her?
I can’t be content with the energy my rage fizzling on this page. We’re not arguing about giving a damn about this teen mother. We’re arguing about whether or not Hailey and Haileys to come should share the outcome of her mother’s inadequacies.
onthegowith5xy
Feb 19, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Pak67,
People seem to get a lighter sentence when they are charged with manslaughter. Murder 2 carries a much higher punishment. I think this girl deserves the highest possible sentence. She murdered that baby, she did it on purpose. Crimes against children are the absolute worst! It is sad that no one reached out to help her but as that childs mother it was her responsibility to give her child to someone if she feels she is a threat to her! And I’m sorry, that baby was 6 months old, I find it hard to believe that she was still suffering from post partum. That is her sorry atempt for an excuse to stomping the life out of her innocent child , nothing more!
rockdoll_71
Feb 19, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Well said, onthegowith5!
Amy
Feb 20, 2008 at 4:43 am
The NIH says postpartum depression can last from one month to a year.
An excuse is something you need when you ate someone’s cookie. In situations like this, we seek to explain but not excuse. There can be no excuse for this. But an explanation might help prevent similar cases.
All this exchange makes it sound like “stomp your baby, reap severe consequences” is a valid system. How can stomp your baby be a choice at all? If postpartum depression is the explanation, we need to listen. Not lighten her punishment, but hear her.
Rage is not a choice. People are helpless to it at a certain point. If we dismiss every exploration of why and how they got to the place where they could committ such atrocity, we’ll never unravel and prevent it.
We know inexperienced, unsupported mothers crack. The problem is apparently too small for our official social structure to address, because like everyone here, postpartum depression is not valid until you kill your kid. So now this teen gets heard because she has proven she was yes just that fucked up, and Hailey gets …nothing, ever.
Amy
Feb 20, 2008 at 5:05 am
Our society is too much monkey comingled with too much lofty ideal and no eye to the reality in between. Though monkeys would never leave an ignorant young mother alone to mess up with her kids in absolutely any way. Monkeys would offer support.
Our idea of freedom means everyone fends for themselves. A competition, one that does not start at the same mark. When you can’t cut it, you fall behind. Now falling behind often means crime. To me “steal, we put you in jail” seems fine. But babies? Rape victims? Victims of violence? How can we let that “choose and be punished” system apply? We know some people are not equipped, yet we wait till they beat, rape or kill someone. And then we don’t even keep them from offending again. We just knock them back a few squares in the competition.
We wait till monster are fully formed. We do not want to hear how they are formed because it might give us a shred of compassion for them and we love the thrill of monsters in our midst too much to risk that. Better babies die horribly than we give up our monsters.
jaylynsmommy
Feb 20, 2008 at 10:01 am
i live in the same town the danielle does. i dont know her personally but i do know the baby’s father. i dont know why they would even go as far to think that he did it. she killed her baby…end of story. on the news they should her being interrogated and she was crying a claiming that she was chasing her 18month old son when she stepped on the child accidentally. thats a bunch of bull. they also tried to say that she was to young and was under alot of stress. im the same age as her and my daughter is almost a year old. im stressed out but i would never do that. rumor has it that she wanted a boy and a girl was just not in her plans. she would refer to the baby as “that girl” and never called it by her real name. i hope that girl stays in jail. she doesnt deserve to be out!
sees4
Feb 20, 2008 at 11:22 am
Regardless of her stress and PPD a 18 year old knows right from wrong, my four year old knows it is wrong to step on somebody. If she did not want her baby or couldnt handle the baby she should have asked for help. I dont want to know why she is the way she is or why she isnt all I know is she killed her baby enough said.
Amy
Feb 20, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Who should she have asked who for help? Where might a single teen mom find this mythical “help?”
sees4
Feb 20, 2008 at 3:33 pm
There are many places you just have to make the effort to look for help and obviously she had family around. In Texas I know for a fact in every doctor office I have been in or government office there are hotline numbers for people who need someone to talk to or who suffer from PPD. Guess what you can even talk to your doctor or your childs doctor. PPD is an excuse people like her use to get away with playing God.
Amy
Feb 20, 2008 at 3:52 pm
How is it an excuse? She wanted to kill her baby? She wanted to go to jail as a baby murderer?
I challenge you to call around some of those places for help. Pretend you are a young mother at the end of her rope but you have never beaten or neglected your kids. Let me know what “help” you are offered. If you don’t want to do it, I’ll tell you what help you’ll be offered.
rockdoll_71
Feb 21, 2008 at 12:03 am
sees4, I agree with you 100%. She certainly was old enough to know right from wrong. It never ceases to amaze me how these windbags who think they know it all come out of the woodwork to defend these evil people who murder their children.
Amy, I have been trying really hard to ignore you but you are ridiculous. Some of your posts, hard as you try, don’t even make sense. There are MANY places to get help. There is nothing “mythical” about it. There are mental help professionals, there are safe havens. Since you are obviously of the opinion that you know everything, you should know that. Even if she had left the baby with a responsible adult- any responsible adult, she could not have fared worse than being in the care of her so called mother. There is NO VALID JUSTIFICATION FOR KILLING YOUR CHILD. Why are you seemingly more concerned about this POS killer than her innocent baby who she destroyed? I don’t wish to argue with you but there is something very offensive about that to me. Are you a mother?
onthegowith5xy
Feb 21, 2008 at 5:56 am
Rockdoll,
I was thinking the exact same thing! There are plenty of places to ask for help. Heck if that girl would have asked me, I would have taken that baby in a heartbeat! I would love to have a little girl in my house!:) (I am currently out numbered with 5 sons and a husband!) Anyway, this girl was stupid and selfish, period. If she felt that she was a threat to her baby it was her responsibility to either find help or give her kids to someone who was not a threat to them. Instead she made the choice to loose her temper and kill an innocent child!
Amy, rockdoll is right, most of your posts don’t make much sense. You are all over the place with your opinions.
rockdoll_71
Feb 21, 2008 at 6:26 am
Onthegowith5, thank you very much. I would also have taken the little angel in. I want so badly to have another child. I am 37. My time is running out… I almost wish someone would just leave an unwanted child on my doorstep (there are so many) with a note that says “here, you can have him/her.” That’s crazy, huh?
It hurts me so to know that there are stupid, selfish people like this girl. This girl had a gift, a beautiful gift from God and she chose to destroy her. What makes even less sense is when someone else expects us to feel an ounce of sympathy for someone like HER!
sees4
Feb 21, 2008 at 6:52 am
My cousin who is not parent material at all came to my house unexpected with her two beautiful babies in tow and informed my husband and me that she couldnt do it anymore. That she was not meant to be a mom that she knew her priorites were her men and drugs. She asked if we would take them of course we said yes. She stayed with us long enough for the simple court hearing to terminate her rights and for us to begin the adoption process. She has mental problems and drug problems but yet she found enough responsibility inside of her to do the right thing without causing the kids any harm. People who defend pieces of crap such as Danielle really upset me because there are places to get help they are not “mythical” you just have to choose to find it.
rockdoll_71
Feb 21, 2008 at 7:24 am
Sees4, I think it’s wonderful that you took in two children who needed stability and a good home. That’s great. You must be a very good person.
I, too, get upset with liberal idiots who defend monsters like Danielle. It’s too bad that nobody was there to defend her little daughter while she was being murdered by the person who was supposed to protect her throughout her life. What ultimate betrayal!
Have you ever noticed that the people who defend these criminals seem to always be talking a lot yet have nothing to say? It’s like listening to ‘blah, blah, blah’ over and over again. It’s almost as if they are trying so desperately to sound more enlightened than everyone else but fail miserably.
onthegowith5xy
Feb 21, 2008 at 7:41 am
Sees4,
I admire you for doing that! I adopted my 3 nephews because my brother was selfish and couldn’t ask for help and he ended up beating one of his boys almost to death. I am very glad that your cousin was smart enough to think about her children first.
Rockdoll,
I have been wanting to say something to Amy ever since she started posting but like you, I ignored her. But you are right, she sounds more concerned about the horrible monster in this story than she is about the precious little angel who lost her life because her selfish mother couldn’t control her temper! Atleast that’s what I get from her postings. She kind of reminds me of “carys”. hmmmm???
Amy
Feb 21, 2008 at 8:26 am
Precious angel and monster. Good vs. evil. Sounds like we’re writing a comic book. You guys enjoy your outrage too much to see clearly.
The reason there is no true help for teens like this is that the majority of people prefer to persist in the belief that rage and hopelessness are choices. They refuse to see the complexities that create this situation. Believing she was born evil and delighted in her evil impulses just lets all of us off the hook from changing things. Can’t change monsters.
We claim we care for these innocents, but since they’re not OUR babies, we are willing to put any thought at all into how such horror might come to be. We say “poor baby” like we’re watching a Hallmark Special, a nice little pang of angst in the day. Not YOUR baby. If we care so much, why isn’t our your baby too?
I never said anything other than understanding what drove this teen mom to atrocity was a service to Hailey and Haileys to come, or that the mom deserves to be put away. Hearing in my words advocacy for the mom is an example of enjoying monster-making.
I help kids find services. A few nice posters around town are only to assuage our consciences. Though I hear there are a few cities with real resources, most are bullshit like unqualified and infrequent counseling or anti-depressants without counseling.
Yes, I’m a mom. I was raped in college, planned to put her up for adoption but couldn’t part with her. When she was a baby, I was frantic for help. I asked everywhere, went everywhere. I could barely find help eating let alone help for my mental state. Not much more is offered now, though it looks peachy on paper. Budgets, you know.
I can relate to frantic helpless rage and hoplessness. It obliterates reason and choice. I could never hurt my baby, never even yelled at her till she was a teen, but all that pain and hopelessness had to go somewhere, so I privately gouged and cut and caused blunt trauma to myself.
I’m a counselor now. Though it’s not my specialty, I’ve met a few young moms who’ve taken up cutting. They’re not able to keep it from their kids as I did. Imagine. Once a three year old said “mommy’s blood.” (he was language delayed for no organic reason) It’s some of the worst cutting I’ve ever seen, big bloody messes, not calculated doses of pain. But they don’t want to get that rage near their children.
Why is it that your monsters are so precious to you that you are completely unwilling to admit an ounce of humanity in them, even if such humanity might lead to understanding that saves these children? They did not ask to be born into these circumstances. So what, they pay? It’s all survival of the fittest?
rockdoll_71
Feb 21, 2008 at 7:57 pm
ONthegowith5, I swear I was thinking the same thing. “Carys” yes, ma’am!!! lol Sounds a lot like the same verbal garbage….yack yack yack and saying nothing!
Amy, as usual, it’s not making sense. “Your monsters”..wtf? Whose monsters? They aren’t mine and they certainly aren’t precious.
onthegowith5xy
Feb 21, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Haha! I know! She makes NO sense at all! None of her posts do on any of these stories! “blah blah blah” that is all I hear!
Amy
Feb 22, 2008 at 9:31 am
You guys are funny. Reminds me of the social dynamics and sophistication of middle school girls. Cute in its way, though they are usually able to connect to humanity beyond their own interest after a certain point.
Amy
Feb 22, 2008 at 9:50 am
Here, simpler sentences :
When you say “how could any mother___________…!?!?!?” you listen to the answer if you care about the baby and babies in the future.
You don’t want to listen to the answer if you prefer to enjoy the drama and outrage.
Some people do want to hear the answer.
onthegowith5xy
Feb 22, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Amy,
I would love to know the answer to that question but we probably never will. I hate drama as much as the next person! That is not why I said something to you. I said something beacause your posts make absolutly no sense to me! You ramble on and on and on and on for severel paragraphs and I never have quite figured out what it is you are trying to say.
This girl did a horrible thing to her child and she needs to pay for it. I don’t care how young she is! I am a young mother, I am 25 and have 5 kids!! I have never once layed a hand on my children and god knows 5 boys to raise is a lot of stress but if I so much as thought I was any threat at all to my boys, I would seek help. And don’t say there is no help because there is! That girl could have taken her baby to any hospital, church, or a family member but she chose to stomp the life out of poor little Hailey instead! It’s tragic! But not for that selfish girl, it’s tragic for Hailey!
donnam
Feb 22, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Thats one sicko bitch,..Somebody fix her crazy ass please while she’s locked up in prison, burn her hurt her stomp on her Good grief. Couldn’t the judge order a forced tubal or something. once again living proof that some people don’t deserve or need the children they have or can spawn. Too bad it’s wasted on pieces of shit trash like this dumb bitch!
rockdoll_71
Feb 22, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Amen donnam!
Amy says “Here, simpler sentences “…take your simple sentence and shove it, Amy. Just because we don’t bable on and on about nothing does not mean that we are in any way “simple”. You are no more enlightened than anyone else so save it. You don’t impress me at all and by judging what others have said to you, you don’t impress them either.
I hate drama. So let me clear that up right now. I tried to ignore your dumb posts for a long time but I just got sick of your babbling nonsense. I, unlike you and other liberal crap spewers, want these cruel people punished. I want to see anyone who hurts a baby or a child punished. I find people like you who want to make up all these bullshit excuses for them repulsive.
Amy
Feb 23, 2008 at 6:34 am
Excuse and explain are not synonymous. No one’s looking to excuse this, only prevent it. Punishment is for the teen mom. Looking for an explanation is for the baby. They are distinctly different aspects. Clearly that is more than you’re willing to do. Too hard to abandon the pitchfork waving hord and turn on your own mind.
yoshi
Feb 23, 2008 at 6:38 am
Amy, don’t bother. I stopped posting here because the words correlation and causation might as well be in Chinese to these people. This site devolved into a social circle where they all express the exact same outrage to feel better as a group. They even post exactly the same. Express outrage. Profane accused. Suggest extreme torture. Profane again. Sometimes they like to change it up and explain why they care so much, like “it took me 20 years to get pregnant so i hope this person is raped and eaten alive in prison!” The majority of them participate in token gesture groups that do absolutely nothing to prevent child abuse or death, and only act as another social circle so fat middle-class white women can feel like they accomplished something good. The minute you try to express any desire to understand the motives behind a child abuse or death case for the sake of future prevention you’re automatically trying to “defend” or “excuse” the actions of the person who did it. I’m surprised you haven’t been called a “liberal” yet, that’s always good for a laugh.
Amy
Feb 23, 2008 at 6:45 am
I wasn’t being judgemental of anyone but society and our systems, of which I am a part. But since you’ve given me permission…
One theory is that people get so worked up because they just don’t know how to act when they encounter atrocity. They feel impotent. But here, discussing a possibility for action, some choose to cling to a debunked hord chant to excuse their inaction. Now what would you call that, clinging to hollow excuses so you don’t have to do anything other than have a nice Jerry Spring-esque rant?
Amy
Feb 23, 2008 at 7:03 am
Yoshi,
Ah ha, I did get “liberal” just now. Like active baby-loving is exclusively a liberal domain or something!
I hear what you’re saying, but they seem to truly care on some level. It can’t be all words, can it? I just wanted to see where we might go with it. And I get tired of talking to people in the healing and saving business.
Wow, sounds like you had quite an adventure here. Actually this has been very interesting. So easy for them to turn together on me. I was once fascinated by group hysteria. Salem witch trials etc. This was a bit of a personal taste for me. I stray from the group mind and the group pounces on me, complete with twisting my words. Well, not all of them. Had one short lived defense.
So, you know a better place? I’m not ready to give this up yet, but it might be nice to have access to slightly more cogent discussion.
onthegowith5xy
Feb 23, 2008 at 8:05 am
Yoshi,
The fact that you can sit here and say that we are all fat middled aged women just says that you are an iggnorant piece of trash! I am 25 and I weigh 130 lbs! Is that over weight? I have ran marathons, I go to the gym 4 times a week, I run aroung with my kids a million times a week! So you can eat your words! I can’t speak for everyone, but I don’t come on here because I am a bored, fat, lazy housewife, I come on here because I care about these kids! Don’t tell me that I am not doing anything to help! I adopted 3 children when I was 22 years old because they were from an abusive home and I wanted to make a difference! I would adopt every single neglected or abused child out there if I could!
I just get sick of people coming on here and going on and on about something that makes no sense! And no I am not simple minded so don’t even give me that BS! I graduated college, I have a teaching degree! This site isn’t for you self absourbed people to get on here trying to use big words to make yourselfs feel smarter or better. I get on here because I care what happens to these children, not to argue. Amy and yourself obiviously come on here to act above everyone! Neither one of you seem to care much about the children involved. I tried hard to ignore Amy because this is not what this site is for but honestly I just wanted to know what it is she was trying to say! Don’t you sit there and say that I don’t do anything to change child abuse! You have no idea what I do with my days! I volunteer at a teen pregnancy center twice a week! I help young girls decide what to do in their current sittuation. I became a teacher because I care and I want to make a difference in this world! You don’t know me or who I am or what I am about, and I certianly don’t want to know you! I will NOT argue with you further, like I said that is not why I come here!
Amy
Feb 23, 2008 at 8:18 am
onthegowith5xy, what do you do at the tenn pregnancy center?
onthegowith5xy
Feb 23, 2008 at 9:30 am
Mostly, I talk to the girls about their choices. I help them understand that just because they got pregnant doesn’t mean they HAVE to raise the child. I teach them all about adoption and my own experience going through the same thing they are when I was just 16. I help them understand how hard it is to raise a child and how much their life will change. I am very proud of what I do even if it’s only a couple days a week. I think I have made a difference in a lot of their lifes.
rockdoll_71
Feb 23, 2008 at 10:21 am
Onthegowith5 is right. Yoshi and Amy, neither one of you guys seem to care at all about these kids. I think that you are both bored. You need to feel superior and so you “talk down” to others who aren’t apathetic, thus making the “fat, middle class, white women” (INCORRECT)stereotype. I am none of those things but it did take me 11 years to become pregnant. You, as a man, know nothing about how painful that is and have no business making fun of it. I did at least respect your comments until now. I have to agree with what Onthegowith5 says about you. You are trash and by the way, I am not white, I went to college for four years, and I am not overweight. So you are wrong on all of your idiotic assumptions.
I suppose if I were a heartless person and murdered my child, you would be defending me but since I am not and you will never see my name on this site, you are going to bash me and other GOOD MOTHERS who are outraged by the cruel and thoughtless acts of these evil people. Something is very wrong with people who defend child killers.
Both of you are idiots and Yoshi, obviously you didn’t stop posting here like you say.
rockdoll_71
Feb 23, 2008 at 10:33 am
One more thing, since you guys are so convinced that we do nothing to prevent child abuse, what do YOU DO to prevent it? What DO YOU DO other than be online trying to make others feel inferior to you?
Since you both feel so intellectually superior, why waste so much time on the damn computer? YOU HYPOCRITES! If you were really as intelligent and you believe yourselves to be, you wouldn’t assume things without knowing.
grannysheart
Feb 23, 2008 at 8:51 pm
I think rocker doll is right. Im new to this sight and was reading all of what you had to say. this yosher says that all the people who are for the children posts the same but he and that amy posts exactly alike.they think they are better than everone else cause they use differnt words but they sound stupid to me Im not young and i didnt go to college but i know right and wrong. what this girl here done was very wrong.young girls nowdays dont have the since to raise kids anymore like back in my days. people can say what they will but its wrong to hurt little children.i had six kids. 2 of them are gone now. makes me upset to know that there are people who want to take the killers side. its not right. i think that the problem there is that folks who do these things dont have to pay for what they done.
rockdoll_71
Feb 24, 2008 at 6:38 am
Granny, thank you. I agree with you. They do post much the same. I can never understand anyone who could defend evil people like this. They have to be twisted yet they want us to think there is something wrong with us because we aren’t heartless like they are. I look forward to reading more of your posts.
And no, we don’t get together in social groups as one of the idiots said to ‘make ourselves feel better’. This happens to be a forum for opinions and that’s all we are doing. Anyone who has children and loves them would be outraged by the acts we read about here.
Amy
Feb 26, 2008 at 5:57 am
Rockdoll,jJeez…. All I ever said was we need to understand how these things happen. Nothing I ever said was a defense, only an attempt at a discussion. You started the trash talk. I just wanted to understand why you were more excited by the punishment than prevention.
To understand something is not to excuse it. How could you, from all my carefully selected words, find anything other than a desire to understand? That’s what swarm outrage does. It obliterates reason.
rockdoll_71
Feb 26, 2008 at 10:41 am
You can say it’s trash talk if that makes you feel better. That’s not the reason I come on this site. Unlike you, I am genuinely hurt by knowing what happens to these children. You were the one who said that I was more excited by the punishement than prevention. That, too, is false. See, you don’t know as much as you think you do.
Ihavekidstoo
Mar 2, 2008 at 4:55 am
I think Yoshi and Amy probably care as much about children as any one else posting on this web site. I just think they are misguided about the real relationship between knowing and doing. Lots of people know that smoking causes that hacking cough they live with every day. It doesn’t mean they are going to do anything about it. We understand now the events, political and social environment that led to Vietnam, but we still weren’t able to avoid the current situation in Iraq.
My point is that knowing the cause of an undesirable (in this case, tragic) situation does not necessarily lead to a way to fix the problem. Sometimes you need to address the problem BEFORE you have all the knowledge in hand. Because while we’re trying to figure out why some parents harm their children, more kids are being harmed and killed every day.
In this case, this young woman obviously needs to be prevented from having any more children she can abuse or being near anyone else’s children. Lifelong imprisonment will solve the problem this young woman presents to society.
VoiceInDesert
Apr 27, 2008 at 4:25 am
I come from an abusive home.
I don’t want your outraged responses. I don’t want your simpathy. And keep your prayers off of me. They are useless pap.
It would be infinately more useful to me, had more people before me gone Amy’s way. Had my elders tried to understand what MAKES abusive parents. Had they at least tried to prevent it.
Do not talk to me about the available help. I have a newsflash for you. There is a great number of parents who think that it’s just A-okay to beat on their children. That since they made them, it is prefectly within their right to kill them. My mother had frequently informed me of that little bit of information.
Children of those people are beyond help. Your well-meant interventions and services are admitedly of help. They should however be a last resort. When all the prevention strategies have failed.
Prevention is the only hope for the future.
Most of the outraged people here strike me as genuinely well-meaning. Genuinely wanting to help. They also strike me as severely misguided.
Children who need your help the most, are those whose existence you are oblivious of. Until they end up maimed or dead.
WAKE UP!!!
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