Parents Behaving Badly

349 opinions for Michael Ochsner Beats Girlfriend’s Four-Year-Old, Arrested for Child Abuse

• Ihavekidstoo
  Nov 11, 2007 at 2:12 pm

  Yet another child suffers because his/her mother has crappy taste in men. I really think it’s time the law starts holding these mothers as responsible as the boyfriends when children are hurt in one of these situations.

  Does anyone know how you start a petition? I’d be happy to submit one to the legislature in my state. Does anyone know how to get this started?

• sfdude_2008
  Nov 11, 2007 at 2:27 pm

  I’m so sick of having to read those stries about parents hurting their kids all day! Oschner does not love his son, he only loves himself and also likes to lie to people about what happened to poor Kurt Green! He should be put to prison for life!

• April RJ
  Nov 11, 2007 at 3:12 pm

  Homeboy looks like the devil. The mother didn’t see this coming?? Yeah, right!! Shit. I hate these stories…

• jamienaudrey
  Nov 11, 2007 at 7:48 pm

  the mother has a myspace…http://www.myspace.com/vel4u … did u ever think that maybe she didnt know that this man was like that, just like my lother didnt know that her boyfriend was a child molester, but one night left in a house with him and me and were the ones to find out, sometimes you dont know these things until they are too late, just because you ladies have the cream of the crop doesnt mean that all women are that fortunate…

• jamienaudrey
  Nov 11, 2007 at 7:52 pm

  wow my spelling and grammar in the above was not so good… i meant to say …just like my mother didnt know that her boyfriend was a child molester, but then one night of being left alone with him, me and my sisters were the ones to find out…..

• tlynn_0804
  Nov 11, 2007 at 8:20 pm

  I actually went to school with this guy, he was a year ahead of me and I always thought he was a weirdo. I used to work with the little boy’s mother and I honestly don’t think she knew anything about it. People shouldn’t always jump to conclusions every time they hear a story like this one

• April RJ
  Nov 11, 2007 at 9:10 pm

  jamienaudrey - You are certainly the myspace police. LOL I am sorry to hear that you had that happen to you. I agree that women with children should be more selective of their partners. I am married to my child’s father so I don’t have to worry. I know that we waited 3 years before becoming pregnant. I just had to be sure that he was father material. There are just so many low life men out there that prey on single mothers and their young children. I believe that single mothers (young ones) may think that no one will want them if they have children so they grab for the first available penis. This woman (judging by her myspace) seems to be a caring, trusting, young lady. I am sorry that she was mixed up with this bastard. I hope she sees justice for what he has done to her baby. What a sorry shit head. It takes a tough guy to punchc a 4 year old in the stomache. Maybe the child was drinking his beer and getting rowdy so he had to teach him a lesson. BLEH! There is a place in hell for this bastard. He needs a one way ticket.

• tlynn_0804
  Nov 11, 2007 at 9:20 pm

  This scumbag has a myspace also, its
  http://www.myspace.com/FireFightin8
  he says on a survey that one of his fears is “losing a child”…how ironic.

• fourkidzmom
  Nov 12, 2007 at 1:15 am

  I agree. There are some idiotic single mothers who KNOW this stuff is going on (look at little Neveah’s case where the mother not only allowed the abuse to continue but HID the child’s body) who absolutely ought to fry right along with their boyfriend. But there are also some who really do *not* realize who they are involved with until something like this happens. I know you cannot judge a person by their Myspace page, but I think this mother may really not have known what was up until her son got hurt. She doesn’t seem to be defending him or making excuses; she seems truly heartbroken

  It broke my heart to read that the boy’s intestines were split in half. My goodness, how hard did this @sshole punch this poor little guy? Bet he feels like a big man now, picking on a little four-year-old. I hope he goes to jail and gets dealt a few blows of his own by some inmates who find out what he did.

• rockdoll_71
  Nov 12, 2007 at 1:57 am

  God, that picture is heartbreaking. It makes me so sad that anyone would do something like this. What in the world could have made this jerk so angry that he would hurt this little guy so much? It’s disgusting.

• jamienaudrey
  Nov 12, 2007 at 4:22 am

  its absolutely horrible that this type thing happens everyday, and it could happening right down the street and you would never even know, until it was too late, I was a victim of sexual abuse it happened only once, i was in my mothers care, and after that my father obtained full custody of me, and i was never subjected to that ever again, sadly for my younger sisters that was not the case, it takes a horrible very sickk individual to hurt a young child in any way shape or form, this asshole is just one of the many who are out there. there are also people out there who see abuse happening to kids and keep their mouth shut … i for one am not that person, if i ever noticed anything like that i would report it immediately, theses kids are our future, and if people keep beating the hell out of them, and torturing them, then we are going to have NO FUTURE… this makes me sick i hope this asshole gets locked up for years and years and some big strapping son of a bitch whoops his ass all around that prison

• April RJ
  Nov 12, 2007 at 10:15 am

  He certainly looks like an evil SOB. I wonder what the mother found attractive about him. Ewwwww. I hope that she does not EVER let him back into her life and uses this as a learning experience. Penis is not worth the life of a beautiful child. Judging by her myspace page - She seems to be more concerned about the child than the stupid BF. Although, she had nothing negative to say about him. Maybe she is just a better person than me. I hope that her little one will recover and they can both put this nightmare behind them.
  fourkidzmom - I was wondering how hard he would have to punch the little one to tear his intestines in 2. WTF??? It is hard enough to bring yourself to swat your child’s booty or slap their little hand. I can’t stand the little quivering lip thing they do - How could you punch a little one in their little tummy. OMG. So heartbreaking. You have to wonder how many times he hit that child and the mother never knew.

• April RJ
  Nov 12, 2007 at 10:36 am

  The little one is still in the hospital. There are no other updates other than the BF is being helpd on $20,000 bail and is waiting to hear the charges tomorrow. Here is the link:

  http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5745489,00.html

• Kathy
  Nov 12, 2007 at 10:59 am

  I just don’t understand why the little boy did not tell her that he had hit him. I wonder if he threatened him too. He was coherent enough for a while to tell his mom that his tummy hurt and that he wasn’t feeling well. Poor baby. He must have been terrified.

• April RJ
  Nov 12, 2007 at 11:13 am

  He MUST have been terrified, Kathy. Either that or the pain was just so horrible that he didn’t think to tell his mommy what happened. Also, he had injuries to his head. Maybe he hit him in the head and it dazed him. By the time Mommy was able to talk to the little guy 12 hours had past. Pain must have been the only thing on his little mind. That and relief to see his mommy - knowing that she would be able to help him.

• fourkidzmom
  Nov 12, 2007 at 1:11 pm

  And some children are more reserved than others. My oldest dd, who is six, isn’t one to go tattling on other adults; I can easily see someone hurting her like this and I wouldn’t know about it because she wouldn’t say anything :( It would take someone questioning her and really coaxing it out of her to get her to talk about something bad that she witnessed or experienced.

  My second child has autism and is almost completely nonverbal, so someone could easily mistreat HER, too, and I would never know about it.

  My three-year-old, however, would tattle on this guy in a heartbeat. He has an EXCELLENT memory for every little detail and will tell anyone ANYTHING. He can easily say how an owie happened to him the way an adult could; he has been that way since about a year and a half, has always had the mind of an elephant and is way ahead in speech.

  I don’t know how my 15 month old is going to be yet; we shall soon see!

  Needless to say, I worry more about something awful happening to one of my dd’s and me never finding out than I do my ds because *he* will squeal and my daughters won’t.

• Kathy
  Nov 12, 2007 at 1:29 pm

  Stuff like this just makes me wonder if my daughter truly understand that she can come to me with ANYTHING. I mean she tattles on her dad when they are “arguing” and she came to me when she was having trouble with a little boy at school touching her “private parts.” But what if there was someone hurting her that is threatening her? The thought just makes me sick to my stomach. I don’t want to scare her, but I need her to know that I will always keep her safe from ANYONE.

• April RJ
  Nov 12, 2007 at 1:53 pm

  Kathy - We had to tell my son that even if he is scared he can tell us anything. I know that these freaks that hurt children do so through intimidation. It’s scary. Anyone with children should know that you NEVER stop asking them questions. They do shut down if they are afraid.

• rockdoll_71
  Nov 12, 2007 at 1:59 pm

  You know what terrifies me? My only son, Levi, is four months old. How in the world am I going to make sure he is safe in a world like this? I wish I could just make him stay home with mama until he is 45 but that’s not going to work, is it? I really am scared. It doesn’t seem like children are safe anywhere. You hear about all these crazies shooting up schools. You hear about perverts who prey upon our little children and then you have assholes like this. I just don’t get it. I mean, I know my husband would NEVER hurt our son. That’s not what I am saying. I am just fearful that someone else may try to hurt him later.

• April RJ
  Nov 12, 2007 at 3:16 pm

  Rockdoll - The problem is that you can’t protect them. You just have to talk to them (when he is old enough) and let them know that they can trust you and you are the best person to confide in if there is trouble. They problem (today) is that not enough parents are involved with their children. I am lucky for the fact that my parents live very close to me (just blocks away). If I need a sitter they are a phone call away. I have always known the people that I trust my sons life with. When he was an infant - I had a babysitter. She was amazing, caring… She treated him like he was her own. It’s hard to be a parent these days. Now, little Kurt’s mommy is a different story. She is a single mom. I’m sure she had to work to care for her children. She trusted this asshole to care for her children. Now if she KNEW he was abusive and left her sone with him anyways - She is just as much to blame as he is. I hope that is not the case.

• Ihavekidstoo
  Nov 12, 2007 at 3:49 pm

  April is right that you can’t completely protect them. The best you can do is try to keep them away from the evil people and teach them how to recognize those people for themselves.

  Maybe this little boy’s mom truly had no idea what was happening, and truly had the best of intentions, trusted this man to care for her child, never suspected him, whatever. You can never truly know someone - my husband, whom I’ve been with nearly 15 years did something last year that, had we not had a child, I would have left him over. It’s taken more than a year to recover.

  But some single mothers are just too eager to have a man back in their lives that they go against simple good jugment. Common sense tells you that if you’ve known someone just a few months, you DON’T know all there is to know about that person. You SURELY don’t know him well enough to move in with him, invite him into your child’s life, and leave him in possession of your child for any length of time.

  Yet somehow these predators continue to convince otherwise sensible women to do just that - let them into their lives when they know next to nothing about these men. If there’s one lesson I hope a single mother takes away from these stories, it’s that you need to take your time, find out as much as you can about a person, before you let him into your child’s life. You know what? It’s your CHILD, so there are no holds barred when it comes to protecting them. Do a criminal background check on the guy and tell him you’re doing it. If he really cares about you and your kid, he’ll understand. And if he has nothing to hide he’ll tell you “go ahead and do it.” If he balks, then maybe there’s something in his past he doesn’t want you to know about and you should run in the other direction.

• Ihavekidstoo
  Nov 12, 2007 at 3:52 pm

  Not to say that all these losers have criminal records, because many are also experts at evading detection. But it is one more layer of protection that is easily available today.

• April RJ
  Nov 12, 2007 at 4:57 pm

  I think if I were ever single again - I would just put my one life on hold until my son was a little bit older. Even then, I would probably shelther him from the men I was seeing and just keep it very casual. You just can’t be too careful where your children are concerned.

• rockdoll_71
  Nov 12, 2007 at 5:58 pm

  April, that’s true- you can never be too careful where your children are concerned. I am one of the lucky ones, I suppose. When Levi was born, we decided that I would stay home with him full time because I don’t trust day care centers. I’m not saying that they are all bad or anything like that. Some of them are wonderful. Maybe it’s just me- I don’t trust anyone around my son except for me, my husband and my family. I would NEVER forgive myself if anything happened to him. I take him EVERYWHERE WITH ME. It’s just that I tried for too long to have a baby to mess up, you know what I mean?

• Robot B9
  Nov 12, 2007 at 6:26 pm

  It would probably be not too hard to collect some rules for moms to see if their guy is going to be trouble:

  1. He uses drugs or booze.
  2. He has a criminal record.
  3. You have only known him a short time.
  4. You have seen that he has a temper.
  5. He has children with a number of girls.
  6. He has limited education.
  7. He has trouble holding a job.

  If he has 3 or 4 of the above, run. Run away fast. And certainly don’t leave your kids with him!

• April RJ
  Nov 12, 2007 at 7:48 pm

  Robot - I agree 100% except that i think if he has even one of those you should run…. I wonder how many this particular asshole was guilty of.

• thatgirl
  Nov 12, 2007 at 8:19 pm

  Having two children and three grandchildren i was in shocked with this story. My children had one spanking in their life and my husband and i felt awful. My heart and prayers goes out two not just the parents and grandparents but anyone who knew them. This effects not just the family but millions of people some who knew nothing of them. Being a parent and grandmother myself am simply horrified to think that anyone would do this to a child. I wonder how they get threw life with so much anger??? What he thought kurt did so wrong that he deserved this. Guess i do not understand why people don’t get help if they are so unhappy. I did check out this man web-site and could not believe he stated his biggest fear was losing a child how dare he. Did he not think for a minute that he could kill this child?? He is a child in Gods hands now. I pray for this mans family who has to live with the this horrifying night mare. I do no that god is the one that will judge him in the end and he will do what he finds right for this person and his actions. I send hugs and kisses to kurt and no angels are all around him and jesus is beside him. I have faith that he is going come threw this and live a wonderful life. Mine and my family’s prayers are with you all. Thanks to children’s hospital for all their great care. XOXO’s

• April RJ
  Nov 12, 2007 at 8:25 pm

  I like the part that says “Ever beaten up on someone” and he stated “Yeah”. It should say “I’m a big, tough guy that likes to beat up on 4 year old children”. Piece of sh*t.

• fourkidzmom
  Nov 12, 2007 at 9:38 pm

  I didn’t see that part.

  I did go to his Myspace page and saw that he was a firefighter. Oh, the irony, he volunteered with a profession that works to PROTECT the public and vulnerable citizens and he does this to a child :( Goodness, so sad. He really doesn’t look like a terrible person from his Myspace, in fact in that picture of him in the fireman’s uniform, I think he looks kind of like a wuss (and in reality he IS a coward); he doesn’t have that angry look that he has in his mug shot.

  Ihavekidstoo, I think a background check for a new boyfriend is a great idea. In fact, I think a background check for ANYONE who is going to be watching your children for ANY length of time is a smart thing to do.

• April RJ
  Nov 13, 2007 at 6:46 am

  mom - you have to read through the stupid survey. It’s there. About half way down. I thought he looked like a wuss in that pic also - Then I think “weel, he is a wuss. He beats children within an inch of their little lives.” So I guess the pic tells it all. Good luck to this sorry bastard getting a firefighting job now.
  BTW - If he was trained to save lives, why didn’t hed realize that he had done serious damage to this child and get him to the emergency room earlier. Oh, yeah! Because he didn’t want anyone to know his dirty little secret. I bet he thought he was going to get away with it.

• Robot B9
  Nov 13, 2007 at 7:44 am

  What if…

  Mr Wuss realized that he had caused serious injury and took the kid to the hospital right away?

  Admitted what he did and showed genuine remorse?

  And got help for his problem?

  The outcome for everyone would be very different.

  But he didn’t and now things are very bad for everyone. Sure it would be better if this event never happened but this guy made it worse by his actions even after the event!

• debc
  Nov 13, 2007 at 9:04 am

  I went to the mother’s myspace accout and got this update about her son:

  update on kurt
  Current mood: pleased
  Category: Life

  today we had a busy but very productive day. In the early morning the took Kurt off of the B/P medication that they were giving him, and his body is able to keep is pressure right where they want it. his temp is doing well and is not to high right now it is about 100 but that is fine, his heart rate has gone down drasticly. In the evening they took him off of the medication for his sidation so he is that he can wake up. My mom and my stepfather and myself were in the room when he opened his eyes for the first time we were talking to him and my mom touched his feet which he hates and he moved them up away from her and started lifting his arms and opening his eyes when we were talking to him. They also turned down the vent settings so that it was not breathing for him and they did this for 1 hour and i am very pleased to say that he was breathing on his own, his resperation did not go up any, his b/p and heart rate stayed the same after the hour they did a blood gas to see what the co2 levels were in his body and it came out perfect. Which means in the next day or so they want to have him off the vent and able to talk to us. At this time there are no plans to do the surgery intell about 1 to 2 months.. My son is a fighter and he is going to recover my son wouldnt be where we are right now with out the prayers thank you all and keep them coming.

  I really feel this mother had no clue. I just hope I am not wrong.

• alovingmom
  Nov 13, 2007 at 9:15 am

  I for one think she thought the guy was a prize. Firefighter with a steady job, who would accept her and her child. At least on paper he didn’t look like such a bad guy. I still would not have left him home with my son. He has no fatherly instinct toward that child and may not react the way a parent would. Doesn’t mean fathers don’t do bad things but there is more of a chance when it is not his son. This is a bad judgement call on her part and I hope she will never leave another boyfriend with her precious son for even a minute. I for one am a single mom and I do not plan to get serious enough with a guy for my children to even meet him. I may be an old lonely hag by the time they move out but at least I will still have my children!

• rockdoll_71
  Nov 13, 2007 at 9:49 am

  I’m so happy to know that he is going to make it, bless his little heart. I’m grateful that it didn’t end tragically like so many other times we hear about.

• April RJ
  Nov 13, 2007 at 10:17 am

  alovingmom - I don’t think he was a firefighter. Here is the blurb:

  “I was on the Grant Volunteer Fire Department for the second time since College, before moving to Colorado for a job and took my away from the fire department but i’m hoping to find a department that i can be on in the future.”

• alovingmom
  Nov 13, 2007 at 11:18 am

  OK yeah. I went back on his page, but still goes to show you never know. It’s difficult to do I know I get very lonely sometimes but you have got to put your kids wellfare first!! I think this mom was trying to and made a wrong choice. I hope the baby is ok and she protects him with vigilance in the future!

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 13, 2007 at 12:38 pm

  That guys picture gives me the creeps!! What an evil bastard!!! Hope he rots in prison.

• Lisa
  Nov 13, 2007 at 12:58 pm

  Robot B9, I have to agree with you for the most part although I have known some exceptions to the “list rule”. My brother-in-law is an exception to the rule. He 2. has a criminal record (a ten year old druken bar brawl with some men from his army unit before he met my sister), 7. has trouble holding a job (my sister is a computer programer who is the main breadwinner and has to move every couple of years for her job and he takes jobs around his house dad schedule and has to switch every time they move), and 5. has children with several woman (his first wife abandoned him and her young son to go to Vegas and visits him at my sisters house once every 2 or 3 years, his second wife left him for the doctor who she worked for and took his daughter who he talks to every week on the phone, pays child support for on time every time, and pays to fly to their house for 2 month every summer, and the 3 children he has with my sister). That’s 5 kids to 3 different woman, yet he’s an excelent father and husband.

• Bree
  Nov 13, 2007 at 3:27 pm

  yeah, I sent this piece of shiznite some choice words, here is what I said.

  “hey there piece of shit. What, beating up grown men is too hard for you so you have to beat up little 4 year olds??

  Nice. Real nice.

  You almost killed a child.
  Something thats the most innocent thing, never did anything to deserve to be in so much pain.

  Seriously dude, why don’t you just go kill yourself before you hurt some one elses baby, your going to go to prison, and guess what they do to people who put their hands on children in prison……..

  Oh yeah. ”

  then I wrote Velta *seriously, what kind of name is that? it sounds like a rejected super hero name to me*

  “well heyyyy

  how are you doing.

  How is your son.

  I prayed for him tonight to get better. My heart goes out to him. I was going to bash you on here like I did your piece of shit man but I don’t know the full story.

  All I am going to say is that your a piece of shit for letting it happen, and you’ll be a piece of shit if you stay with him, which you will. And if you do stay with him, I pray to god your son gets in foster care with a good family before that man kills him.”

• alovingmom
  Nov 13, 2007 at 7:46 pm

  Bree- kinda harsh on the mom (and I think it’s a russian name or Bosnian) we don’t know the whole story but seems to me she is sitting by her sons side and I hope she will learn from this and see that her son gets justice. She should not have left her son with him period even if he showed no sign of abuse, but I think it was out of ignorance not neglect.

• fourkidzmom
  Nov 13, 2007 at 9:51 pm

  Good Lord, Bree.

  I sincerely hope when the crap hits the fan in your life that a random stranger will say something similar to you; it would serve you right. She is probably beating herself up already over this.

  I don’t get the impression that she is going to stay with the guy. Cut her some slack.

• Kathy
  Nov 14, 2007 at 5:30 am

  Bree is ether a troll or an immature bitch.
  It is as plain as day that the mother loves her child and had nothing to do with what happened to him. She doesn’t need messages like that from ignorant strangers. She’s got bigger things to worry about.

  Before you type anything like that to a grieving (and probably guilt ridden) mother, you might want to pull your head out of your ass and think first.

• April RJ
  Nov 14, 2007 at 7:12 am

  I messaged Velta privateely. I believe she is hurting from all of this. She has deleted tat piece of shit (Mike) from her page. There are no pics of him. The only mention of him is that he is the monster that did this to her baby and he is in jail. Bree - Your comment to her was a little uncalled for. Some of us were visiting her page for updates of her child. She will probably set it to private now.

• April RJ
  Nov 14, 2007 at 7:14 am

  Privately - Sorry.

• jamienaudrey
  Nov 14, 2007 at 7:33 am

  BREE……..WTF..is your major malfunction… this woman is hurt due to the fact that someone she trusted with her child let her down in thew worst way, and then you….YOU PEICE OF SHIT.. write her and send her that message, i think we all know who the peice of shit is, and right now girly its you, how can u do that obviously you have no heart , she made one bad call, and you have no right to bash her. this world should be rid of people like the ones on this site that abuse their kids or others kids, and it should be rid of ignorant bitches like YOU

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 14, 2007 at 7:50 am

  Bree, I cannot believe that you could be so heartless to a woman who is obviously devestated about her poor son. She needs love and support right now, not hate and ridicule. She is not the one who beat her son nearly to death, as far as anyone can tell she is a loving and devoted mother. How was she suppose to know that the man she loved and trusted would turn around and do such an unthinkable thing to her child. You have some major growing up to do.

• proudmomx3
  Nov 14, 2007 at 11:32 am

  hey everyone how about this, if you don’t know the story keep your mouth shut. The parents of these adults don’t need this either it’s not there fault and what if they are reading this. How would you feel if it was your parents reading this and people (BREE) were talking shit about your child and calling them pieces of shit so in other words keep your mouth shut if you don’t want people talking bad about you end of story. How about we all just pray for all the familys involved and let it be at gods grace with what happens with all humans involved in this situation.

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 14, 2007 at 11:50 am

  I agree, proudmom!! That is what this little boy needs the most, our prayers.

• Kathy
  Nov 14, 2007 at 12:49 pm

  Proudmomx3, are you saying that this child abuser is NOT a piece of shit? Or we should not say he is a piece of shit because his MOM might be reading this?

  Either way, he’s a piece of shit child abusing asshole. I bet his mom (who is probably a good lady) would agree.

• April RJ
  Nov 14, 2007 at 1:32 pm

  Kathy - I agree 100%. He is a piece of shit. He admitted to hurting this little boy! Who cares who reads what our feelings are!!! Look of the Piercy’s. Nancy Piercy had no trouble coming to the defense of Randy. Why should this be any different?? If Mike’s Mom wants to defend him for being a child beating asshole - BRING IT ON! Well, she’s not here, and if she was here she would probably be saying the same thing. As for Bree talking shit about Velta - I think we all pretty much have her back so her mother doesn’t need to worry.

• Bree
  Nov 14, 2007 at 2:08 pm

  OH please, when the shit hits the fan? Like this is a common mistake amoung mothers??

  Its got to be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to miss this kind of abuse on a 4 year old, and like I said from my mail, I don’t know the whole story. But she is a piece of shit for letting this happen and she will be a piece of shit if she stays with him. Any one that wouldn’t agree with that has issues. Its WONDERFUL that she is at her boys side and feels bad that this happened to him.

  SHE SHOULD feel like shit. People don’t all of a sudden start hitting people out of the blue, they have to have some kind of anger issue and you’d be blind to not see it, especially being that close to some one.
  If any one ever laid a finger on my son, especially some one not even his father, I’d beat the living shit out of him. Jail time or not. Not stay with him and hope things get better, like her mail to me said she was doing.

• Bree
  Nov 14, 2007 at 2:11 pm

  and her page was private before I messaged her.

• April RJ
  Nov 14, 2007 at 3:14 pm

  Bree - Her page was not and is not set to private. And as for her knowing - None of us know about her relationship with Mike. he may have been a very kind person. Often, abusers can be very kind and charismatic until the moment that they snap. Your an ass for accusing this girl the way that you are. I’m sure she blames herself enough. I beilieve that she would not have left her boy with this monster if she had knwn he might be killed. C’mon. Cut the poor girl some slack. She is the single mother of two children. She obviously trusted this man. He (on the surface) may have been a nice person. I dated a man (before I was married) that seemed to be very sweet, loved his family, respected his mother. He was amazing to me - Plus I kjnoew him in high school. About six months into our relationship, he snapped. There was NO forewarning. He was angry that I had worn something “cute” to work one day and he beat me! I didn’t ask for it. Anyhow - It turned out that he had started using Meth and I was none the wiser. That could be the same situation here. It wouldn’t hurt you to be a little kinder in your wordds for this already suffering mother.

• fourkidzmom
  Nov 14, 2007 at 3:56 pm

  Well, goodness April, shouldn’t you have just used that ESP that we women are just magically supposed to have, apparently? Or you know, that crystal ball to be able to tell that he was eventually going to do that to you? (That is sarcasm, BTW, I agree with you TOTALLY about abusers can sometimes be charming and charismatic and you would never know.) ;)

  Velta, if you are reading this, please know that *most* of us here are praying for your son and you and we are *not* heaping coals on YOUR head. Just ignore the few morons who are.

• Kathy
  Nov 14, 2007 at 6:18 pm

  “Not stay with him and hope things get better, like her mail to me said she was doing.”

  Bree is a lying piece of shit TROLL. Go play somewhere else idiot.

• April RJ
  Nov 14, 2007 at 7:08 pm

  fourkidzmom - That was part of the deal with Ted Bundy. He was good looking, charming - Women thought the world of him. In the end everyone was scratching their heads because they didn’t see it coming. So the guy (Curtis) that I was with was the same way. No one thought he could be capable. Well, in the case of Curtis, it turned out that drugs played a big role. I had no idea until I had him arrested and went to court. That could very well be the case for poor Velta. Who knows?? I just know that she doesn’t give the impression of a person that is attracted to losers that are capable of what Mike has done. I’m sure she would have to answer to family and friends if she let him back in her life. Kathy - don’t you get the impression that this is a girl with her head on straight. I believe that she is living her life for her son right now and Bree is just spewing sh*t.

• thatgirl
  Nov 14, 2007 at 7:36 pm

  I know its easy for everyone to judge. Mike knows what he did and he will live with this for the rest of his life. Again I feel I must say there is only one that will truly judge him in the end. God him self will deside what is the best suited for this man. If the mother knew this was going on she to will have to answer. If she stays with this man she doesnt deserve to have her children. We need not judge because it will all come out in the end it always does. If she knew her boy friend was hurting her son they will find out and she to will get what is deserved. Love and prayers to all and thank god for the wonderful staff at Childrens hospital for all their great care in helping to keep Kurt alive.

• proudmomx3
  Nov 14, 2007 at 8:31 pm

  wow this is just getting worse. I can’t believe bree is like this. BREE GO PLAY ON THE TRACKS and stop beatting up other people. All you talk about are abusers and look in the mirror you are the abuser verbally in all of this so take that. Since abusers are pieces of shit then that makes you one also. Just remeber all we are here to do is pray for Kurt not make things worse for this little boy or his family so just please pray for him and we will all pray for you that you will get healed from the evil that you say. you will be in my prayers tonight and alway that you will become a better person twords others that need prayer.

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 14, 2007 at 8:44 pm

  He IS a piece of shit, as far as I can tell, SHE is NOT!! Bree, you are a f**king liar! She did not message you and say that so stop trying to make yourself feel better! What you wrote to her was wrong so just admitt it and stop trying to justify your actions. And thatgirl, we are not judging him to be a piece of shit, HE IS A PIECE OF SHIT, PERIOD!!!! Any person who can beat a 4 year old child almost to death is a no good excuse for a human being, no matter how sorry he is and no matter what his reasons are. There is ABSOLUTLY no excuse for what this man(if you can call him that) did, he will burn in hell. He is a looser and a coward, I bet he won’t feel so tough when he goes to prison with a bunch of men 4Xs his size instead of a 4 year old boy.

• thatgirl
  Nov 14, 2007 at 9:14 pm

  Onthegowith5xy im not sticking up for the man believe me. Im sure he wiill get what he deserves. People dont take beating a child lightly. I agree he is a piece of shit and he will root in hell. im just saying we are not the one who will decide his destany. Maybe you sould have read my first respond to this horrrifing story.

• thatgirl
  Nov 14, 2007 at 9:34 pm

  I just checked 9 news web-site and the mother Velta was arrested at childrens hostital sometime today. So they must have pretty strong evidence she knew about this boy litttle boys beatings. So sad that a mother would let this happen. Lord help us all. Pray kurt can recover and live a happy life without these people in it.

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 15, 2007 at 4:23 am

  I just looked at that site too, how awful! And to think we were defending her. I hope to god she didn’t have anything to do with it, but it sounds like they have some strong evidence. I will continue to pray for little Kurt.

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 15, 2007 at 4:25 am

  Oh and I’m sorry thatgirl for misunderstanding, but it did sound like you were saying that he was sorry and that he wasn’t a piece of shit. I appoligize if I misunderstood you.

• proudmomx3
  Nov 15, 2007 at 5:39 am

  The mother new all along about this and never did anything about it. I feel so bad for kurt and thank goodness that these evil people aren’t around kurt anymore and hopefully he can recover happily. I do belive they are both perfect for each other and hope they both rot in hell for what they have done to this little boy that can’t even go outside and play. they will both get what they deserve and god will be the judge of that and there will be justice for little kurt.

• Kathy
  Nov 15, 2007 at 6:55 am

  http://www.9news.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=80999

  OK, I am eating crow now. I can’t believe I defended that skank.

  VELTA, you are a shitty mother and a poor excuse for a human being. I hope that penis was really GOOD because I doubt you will be getting any more for a while. You allowed someone to hurt your baby and did nothing about it. IT was your job to protect him. Instead yo ulet some asshole use him as a punching bag. Then you sit by his bedside acting like you CARE. You disgust me. You may as well have put him there yourself. YOU don’t deserve that baby. I hope you enjoy your time in jail bitch.

  There. I feel better now.

• April RJ
  Nov 15, 2007 at 9:07 am

  I second that Kathy - Velta isa stupid skank! Who could let a man do this to a child. We were all defending her and she torns out to be a BIGGER monster than Mike. She sat back and LET this happen to that presious little boy. i hope she NEVER sees her children again! WHORE!

• April RJ
  Nov 15, 2007 at 7:18 pm

  This comment was left on Velta’s myspace page today by someone named Athena. It says it all:

  “velta i dont know if youll get this because of where you are now but im praying for your son but not for you or my brother mike made his bed and now he will lay in it but you could have done something about this a LONG time ago. If you loved my brother you whould have said something to my parents to get him help. thats prob why you are where you are. im sorry but you both messed up”

• tlynn_0804
  Nov 16, 2007 at 6:01 am

  April RJ, Athena is Mike’s sister. How do I know? I actually went to school with them. Wow, I really didn’t think that Velta would have let something like that continue happening. I have been told that her first husband committed suicide, and that Kurt’s biological dad beat HER, so that’s why she left him. I worked with her about 6-7 years ago, and I really cannot believe she would have let her BOYFRIEND do that to her little boy. It scares me to think of what he might have been doing to her little girl too. And for her to pretend like she knew nothing and try to get everyone’s sympathy, that is just terrible.

• April RJ
  Nov 16, 2007 at 7:04 am

  tlynn - Thank you. I agree. Seems that the little girl is old enough and will be able to tell ALL. I wonder if that is what got Velta where she is at right now. I am so ashamed to have been one of the people her that thought she was all about her children… We shall see what happens next.

• polap
  Nov 17, 2007 at 2:13 pm

  wow you people are very interesting ready to convict with little or no correct information. if he did hit him he should be punished. honestly you people really should be supporting kirt. you talk about you don’t care if the family reads this, well guess what they are. i am one of kirts uncles. he is a very beautiful child. very ambitious, his eyes sparkle, and he has a smile that could light a room. how ever i wish you would have put as much energy into praying for him as you did in bashing mike. yes i call him by his first name because i am also friends with his family. so you people who think this situation bothers you why don’t you try walking a mile in my shoes. why don’t you try praying for mikes family as well. if they read this again they will know who i am and i want to tell them that i am praying for them also. seriously people you know you would feel aweful if a member of your family did this and calling him names really doesn’t help the family cope. having said that if anyone is still reading the latest update. velta no longer has coustody of the children. kirt has been back in surgery and everything is repaired and he is recovering well. he should as far as i know make a full recovery.

• Kathy
  Nov 17, 2007 at 3:21 pm

  First Polap, I would like to thank you for the update on Kurt. I am happy to hear that he is expected to make a full recovery.

  Now on to the rest of your comments.

  This GROWN man confessed to hitting this child. He hit a 4 year old hard enough to split his intestines in two. A FOUR year old. We have every right to express our outrage at this whole situation. The name calling and cries for justice do not mean that the child is not being prayed for. If we are checking the myspace page of Velta for updates, etc it is obvious that the child is on our minds.

  As far as the family having a hard time dealing with this, you guys need to place that blame squarely on the shoulders of the abusers. It makes you feel bad to hear this stuff, then you need to be mad at the people that caused it. MIKE and VELTA. If they had NEVER harmed this child, the family would not be dealing with this right now. I REFUSE to take back anything I may have said or thought about those people.

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 17, 2007 at 3:31 pm

  I agree with you, April! We may not have all the facts,polap but what we do know is that this guy punched a 4 year old little boy in his stomach and put him in ICU. That is true isn’t it? If it is, then we have enough information on this guy to justify the stuff we have been saying about him. I DO pray for Kurt! I feel so bad for his family, and for Mike and Velta’s families but NOT for either one of those pieces of trash! They had to expect this, I mean his almost beat a little boy to death, of course people are going to lash out! WE ALL HAVE KIDS!!!!

• Robot B9
  Nov 17, 2007 at 3:32 pm

  This recent article:

  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071117/ap_on_re_us/child_abuse;_ylt=AnUahFXBXKiez0fZsjnCaGd34T0D

  Might help explain what is going on.

• polap
  Nov 17, 2007 at 4:05 pm

  all im saying is how about you wait till all the evidence is in before passing judgement. i realize he said he hit kurt. if he did he deserves what ever he gets. but i have a gut feeling there are going to be some things that come out that may suprise everyone. i do understand about being outraged i truley do. and i honestly don’t blame you persay. how ever being in the situation i am. i am reminded of the phrase let he who is without sin cast the first stone. all im trying to say is try some compassion instead of hate. ya know maybe he did do it and if he did i will never forgive him and if she did it i will never forgive her. i guess the problem i have and what im struggling with is how anyone could hurt a child in anger. but they are both going to have to face the lord on judgement day and answer for it and im sure it will be 10,000 times worse than anything we could do here. i just ask you to pray for mikes family and our family ie veltas

• April RJ
  Nov 17, 2007 at 4:20 pm

  Are you serious?? If he did it?? He admitted to it!!! Yeah we are mad. Some one needs to be mad. These two deserve every bit of what they get. Kurt could not defend himself against a full grown man and his mother did NOTHING to protect him. Damn straight we think these two are worthless. Please don’t defend them. We all are rooting for the little one but Mike and Velta can rot in hell.

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 17, 2007 at 5:04 pm

  Polap, I understand what both familes are going through, TRUST ME! I am not proud of this but, 2 years ago my brother who was my best friend for our whole lifes beat his 3 years old son almost to death. He plead not guilty but was found guilty in a court of law and is now face 25 years for attempted murder. I now have sole custody of his 3 sons. So now I am a 24 year old with 5 boys!(2 of them are my own.) Don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining, I LOVE those boys like they were my own. Anyway my point is, even though I am his sister, I no longer speak to my brother and I never will again. Mostly for the sake of those boys but I don’t think I could look at him and not want to beat the crap out of him! Evan is now 5 and in Kindergarten. He has physically made a full recovery but he still has nightmares of that horrible night and he will be effected from that for the REST OF HIS LIFE!!! So I do feel for the family, I know what its like but what Mike did is unforgivable and we have every right to express our feelings toward these horrible people. April is right, HE CONFESSED!!!!! So we are not jumping to conclusions, he beat that precious little boy and I hope the same happens to him when his sorry ass goes to prison! I will continue to pray for Kurt and his family.

• rockdoll_71
  Nov 17, 2007 at 6:10 pm

  Onthego, thank you for taking your brother’s children as if they were your own. I admire that. That’s very admirable.

• April RJ
  Nov 17, 2007 at 6:24 pm

  Onthego - I agree with rockdoll. How admiral for you to take on three extra children. They are blessed to have you in their lives. And you are blessed - It’s just three more to love.

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 17, 2007 at 6:30 pm

  Thank you, rockdoll and April:) It has been a tough road, but totaly worth it, they are great kids!

• fourkidzmom
  Nov 17, 2007 at 6:44 pm

  Wow, I just got back on after a week of Christmas shopping to see what all has happened with this case.

  So according to one of the pp’s, Kurt’s dad abused Velta also, and then she shacked up with this guy, who beat her son.

  Okay, maybe I am just dense, but WHAT IS UP with women who allow men like this in their lives, not just once, but REPEATEDLY?! Can you imagine the self-esteem of someone like this? How sad if you don’t think you deserve much better than you and/or your children being beaten.

  There is not a dick on the face of this Earth that is worth a child being hurt like this (or yourself).

• Ihavekidstoo
  Nov 18, 2007 at 8:01 pm

  So the mom’s been arrested too, eh. Well, I really wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, but my cynical little heart was whispering all along “She’s not as squeaky clean as she’d like everyone to think.”

  The truth is child abuse NEVER happens in a vacuum. Some other adult always knows what is going on, and often in these cases where it’s the boyfriend abusing a child, the mother is aware and either looks the other way or participates. Same is true in so many sexual abuse cases where fathers rape daughters. The mothers can SAY they had no idea, but the truth is they know. Deep down, they KNOW. And if a mother is really so oblivious to what’s going on in her own house that she DOESN’T know, then she’s just as guilty as the abuser, but of being neglectful and inattentive, instead of being actively involved in abusing her kids.

• rockdoll_71
  Nov 18, 2007 at 8:02 pm

  fourkidz, that’s what I NEVER understood- a woman who would defend an animal who hurt her children. If I had even an idea that my son was being hurt and my bf or husband was the cause, oh I would be at the police station as fast as I could get there. I never understood women like that and I never will. That’s like the microwave baby case in Texas. Remember? The 19 year old who said that the devil made him do it and that stupid woman of his defended HIM!!! Unfreakingbelievable!

• kc2
  Nov 18, 2007 at 10:48 pm

  First off I would like to start out with I am a close friend of Kurts biologicial father. I dont know where anyone is getting there information about him but is wrong very, very wrong. He has never touched Velta, and I know that to be a fact. Second he loves his son very much. He has been up at the hospital every night with him since this occured. The reason he had no idea about what was going on is because Velta kept the only man that loved Kurt and treated him like the precious human being he is away, and is still trying to do that as we speak. But Velta is still in close contact with the man that almost killed her son. Now you tell me if Kurts biological father sounds like the bad person in the situation. Also the other information that I read to be wrong is that Kurts biological father (craig) left Velta not the other way around, and the reason she tries to keep Kurt away from him is because she was mad that he left, but Craig always wanted to be a part of Kurts life. But because of Velta he was not able to be with his son as much as he wouldve liked to be. So there is part of the real story. I could keep going on and on about all of this and give you all the whole story but that would take all night, and I feel as if I have cleared Craigs good name and wonderful parenting skills and amazing love for Kurt.

• fourkidzmom
  Nov 18, 2007 at 11:56 pm

  kc2,

  Please keep us updated on Kurt’s condition and what happens to him and his sister. I am still praying for him and for those in his family who do love him and want was is best for him.

• Kathy
  Nov 19, 2007 at 9:06 am

  kc2 -

  I can believe that there may be inconsistencies about the realtionship between Velta and her first husband. What I refuse to believe is that he had little contact with his son because VELTA didn’t allow it. There are sooo many ways around that, especially if he was paying child support - which any GOOD dad would do. The only people that suffere in this petty bickering back and forth bullshit are the kids. I’ve seen it many many times. Just like I’ve seen Dad’s jump through hoops to make sure that they were still able to have a relationship with their children no matter what bullshit the mother tried.

• kc2
  Nov 19, 2007 at 9:57 am

  I am not going to sit here and argue with anyone on here and further let you in on why he wasnt able to see his son, but just know there were reasons he couldnt. Like you said Kurt is the one thats hurt here, and the important one we should put are focus on. He is doing a lot better though. He is no longer on life support. The were able to get through his surgery without any complications. So please everyone continue to pray for Kurt, because he needs a lot of love and support still.

• April RJ
  Nov 19, 2007 at 11:35 am

  kc2 - I am with Kathy in the fact that Kurt’s dad SHOULD have done everything in his power to not let Velta have the upper hand in the matter of his children. The judicial system DOES look out for the father just for the sake of the children. That is unless the father is a complete piece of shit. At which point the judicial system doesn’t give a crap about the father’s rights. So my question is this - Is Kurt’s dad going to go for custody of these children??? It looks as though (given the current circumstances) that he may have a good chance (unless he is a piece of shit faher). I guess anything is better than them going back to the asshole boyfriend and shitty ass mother. These children need love and stability - Obviously Velta could not provide that for them - Hell, she couldn’t even keep her dickhead boyfriend from trying to kill her son…. I will continue to pray for little Kurt - In addition to my prayers for his recovery - I will pray that Velta NEVER sees her children again!

• Pb3
  Nov 19, 2007 at 11:42 am

  i have just became a member of this site because of Kurt Green. I have followed everyones comments since this story was first posted. I think about this little boy everyday. can someone tell me what his injurys were and why he had to have surgery? I wonder if he has been able to talk or knows what happen? I have three children of my own and its just beyond my thoughts of how anything like this could ever happen not only to kurt but all these other horror stories i have been reading. Does anyone know what part the mother played in this? I have and will continue to pray for this little boy. I would love to send a get well present to him—can anyone help me as far as an address goes?

• April RJ
  Nov 19, 2007 at 1:53 pm

  Pb3 - The mother’s boyfriend punched him in the tummy with a closed fist. He was struck hard enough to tear his intestine in two! It appears that his loving mother knew that the a-hole boyfriend had abused this little one. That is as much as we all know about the mother’s part in it all.

• itsmeclf
  Nov 19, 2007 at 2:16 pm

  I could look at my daugter and ask her if anything was the matter with her, I could ask her if she was all right…I could ask her anything…She could promise and she could lie and she could tell me mommy everything is all right, I am fine…and if there is one thing that I would know…it is if she was lying to me! My daughter is my heart and my sole and I would know if my heart and sole had a problem…

  This is not a first time occurance, from the sounds of things there were pre-existing bruises…there were pre-existing marks! Are you kidding me…this mother knew what was going on in her heart of hearts, she knew what was going on. I do not believe she ever thought that in the end she would be sitting by her son’s bedside hoping that he stays alive one more day. She was given a complete wake up call on what the consequences of ignoring early signs of abuse can lead too…the police arrested this mother not because there was an idea that she might have known…they arrested her because they had evidence supporting the fact that she had been very aware of the situations. Now she is out of jail awaiting her hearings…her love of her life is in jail…no one will bond him out and she certainly can’t afford it, (they both had the same bond mom is out boyfriend is not), and poor little Kurt (what should of been her heart and sole) is FIGHTING to live.

  This little boy needs to be taken care of now…he is currently fighting a battle MOST of us have never had to fight……the battle to live.

• Kathy
  Nov 19, 2007 at 3:28 pm

  “I could look at my daugter and ask her if anything was the matter with her, I could ask her if she was all right…I could ask her anything…She could promise and she could lie and she could tell me mommy everything is all right, I am fine…and if there is one thing that I would know…it is if she was lying to me! My daughter is my heart and my sole and I would know if my heart and sole had a problem…”

  I had a problem with this earlier. If you look at my post above I was wondering if my child would tell me what happened. I think he DID tell her and I think she must have covered up for the bastard. That is why she was arrested. I would almost bet you money that the older child told her too.

  Now I have peace of mind when before I was just TORN UP over the fact that someone could be hurting my daughter and she would be too afraid to tell me.

• Meghan
  Nov 19, 2007 at 3:58 pm

  I personnally have a gut feeling from the very beginning that there is a lot more to this story that the very little that we still know.

  In my hubmle opinion, this guys confessed pretty fast about hitting little Kurt. He also said, that the mother didn’t know about it from the very beginning. He was pretty fast on those two statements, don’t you think so?

  And then what do we learn? The mother is arrested because they have evidence that she was aware.

  I wouldn’t be surprised at all if when we discover more, we find out that she is the perpetrator.

  I’ve just read a report that states that 85% of children abusers are mother of those kids. That leave 15% for fathers, boyfriends, siblings, strangers, and the whole rest of the world.

  I can’t help but feel, as awful as it may sound, that it’s not the boyfriend who hurt this little guy. But that he was trying to cover for the mother.

• itsmeclf
  Nov 19, 2007 at 4:13 pm

  Yeah…it is super sad that the one person (I believe) the kids went to tell the problem too…the person they should have been able to go to for protection and to give them safety, IGNORED THEM and fed them to the wolves…(so to speak)

• April RJ
  Nov 19, 2007 at 4:29 pm

  Chances are that they were BOTH abusing the children. If Velta was NOT abusing them, she is just as guilty for allowing Mike to hurt them. Mothers are supposed to protect their children - I, for one, don’t want my child to know one minute of pain! I cried when I had to take him for xrays on his hip a couple of years ago. Good thing it was only a virus in the joint - But the pain he felt was enough to break my heart. I just cant imagine the pain poor little Kurt must have felt. They both make me sick! Bleh!

• Pb3
  Nov 20, 2007 at 6:58 am

  good point made by meghan. Mike did say he hit him once and the mother knew nothing about it—and might i add, admitted that rather quickly. Now we find out the mother gets arrested becuase she obviously did know—makes you wonder if he in someway is covering up for something the mother did, but i’m not saying he is an innocent player in this.

• itsmeclf
  Nov 20, 2007 at 7:42 am

  There are many webs of lies and deciet here and I am sure through all the comotion I would bet that both Mike and Velta have both lost any reality of what they have really done…Liars are able to convince themselves that their lies are their truth and I believe that holds true in this case as well. I was on her myspace and I read her last blog and she cannot wait until her and her son are together again! WOW…she is in a fantasy land…and I truly hope that she never recovers that little boy ever…SHE DOES NOT DESERVE HIM. She played a major role in this whole thing and she is still playing the victim card! UNBELIEVABLE….

• Pb3
  Nov 20, 2007 at 8:33 am

  i cant believe she stated on her my space that she cant wait to be with her son again! i certainly hope NOT.

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 20, 2007 at 11:05 am

  So is she out of jail now then?

• Pb3
  Nov 20, 2007 at 11:43 am

  I read alittle ways up that she was out—wonder who posted her bail???I would actually like to know what she was even taken in for. I really wish some of the family members of kurt could give us an update on him. I really in my entire life have never been so bothered by something as i’m with this story. I came across this site by accident and sat here at my desk reading all of these terriable stories. Small children being so badly abused by adults and they are far to small to do anything to stop this from happening to them. Every now and then i would give my oldest child a couple whacks on her butt when she did something wrong.(my oldest is now 19) but i have never so much as laid a hand on my 8 and 2 year old ever since i watched a show on abuse. A man on there said “can you only imagine how scare a child must be to have a parent 10 times bigger then them grab them by thier arm and smack them,punch them etc..” and the child can do nothing. From that day on i felt so bad and the only thing i ever did was a smack on the butt, and from that day on no one got a “smack on the butt” because i didnt want my kids to feel fear. No one has a right to lay thier hands on anyone, family member,child, friend etc.. there is no need for it. When someone does that person is the one with issues and those issues come from what has happened in thier lives. Its a cycle that keeps on going.

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 20, 2007 at 1:08 pm

  I agree pb3! There are plenty of other punishment that you can give your children, other than violent ones! People need to learn to controll themselves!!!!! I heard she was arrested because at first they thought that she had nothing to do with it and then they found evidence that proved otherwise. That is all they were saying so I don’t know if that means they think she was abusing him also or if she just knew about it! Either way, she should NOT be out of Jail! I hope she is not in contact with little Kurt! He must be so scared! I will continue to pray for him.

• April RJ
  Nov 20, 2007 at 1:32 pm

  She must be out of jail to be posting updates on her myspace page. She did say that “her Mom said Kurt…”, “He is talking to my family…” so it appears that she has no contact with him. I wonder if he said something to the family that got her arrested??? He is old enough to understand and answer questions. Especially now that he knows that no one can hurt him…. Poor baby.

• itsmeclf
  Nov 20, 2007 at 2:05 pm

  In the state of Colorado….there will be an automatic restraining order put on the mother to the child…she cannot go near this child until she goes through many more court proceedings…AND she will have to go through counselors and such…that is why I said she is really living in fantasy land…she will not be going near this child ANY TIME SOON! Sounds like she has no idea the depth of trouble she is in. THIS IS A very high profile case and many people will be following it! I am also turned totally off by the idea of her parents standing by her (I believe they bonded her out and they have obviously kept her updated on his condition) Which would also raise the questions about the safety of the child with his grandparent…SAD HUH?

  THE WAY EVERYTHING HAS READ IS THAT THE BOND FOR MIKE AND VELTA WAS BOTH SET AT $20K (WHICH BASICALLY MENT THEY EACH NEEDED $2000 TO GET OUT), VELTA WAS BONDED OUT AND MIKE WAS NOT…

• itsmeclf
  Nov 20, 2007 at 2:12 pm

  Clarify..I think that I made that sound worse about the granparents…then I actually meant…WHAT I meant was if her parents are bonding her out etc…then what is to say that in the future when there is still the restraining order and such that they won’t sneak visits and such…

• kc2
  Nov 20, 2007 at 8:53 pm

  Here is a update for everyone from Kurts dad Craig. Kurt is still in pain, but is more responsive. When Kurts dad Craig left the bathroom in Kurts hospital room Craig left the light on, and Kurt looked up at him and said light off daddy! Kurt has always been a happy child, and still manages to smile alot even though he is in the situation he is in. He is no longer in ICU, and has exceeded the doctors expectations. The doctors were not expecting Kurt to make it through the first night, and said that Kurts condition was going to get worse before it got better. Kurt is a fighter and continues to make nothing but progress.

• kc2
  Nov 20, 2007 at 8:58 pm

  Also, please continue to pray because he has gone through more than physical trauma. For all who would like to know there is a benefit account set up in Kurts name at Academy Bank inside any Wal-Mart for future counseling, medical needs, and necessities. Thank-you in advance for all your concern.

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 21, 2007 at 7:07 am

  Thank you kc2 for the update and the bank info. I am going to Walmart today so I will stop by and make a donation. I think about little Kurt often and he will continue to be in my prayers. Please continue to update us on this sweet boys condition.

• Pb3
  Nov 21, 2007 at 7:27 am

  yes thank you very much for the update. I’m getting the impression that most people on here actually live in the state that kurt does so they are able to get to Academy Bank in walmart. But as for me and friends of mine who are all trying to follow this little boys progress we live in Pennsylvania. Is there a way we can get an address to mail donations? I also know of friends of mine following kurts progress that live in florida,michigan,virginia,maryland,georgia,and south carolina.

• itsmeclf
  Nov 21, 2007 at 12:24 pm

  Thank you for the update….I am ecstatic that he is doing so well! I will be making a cash donation later this afternoon to help Kurt and his family!

  I AM THANKFUL THAT HE IS ALIVE AND DOING WELL AND WILL BE PRAYING FOR A FULL RECOVERY!

  HAVE A SAFE AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL…

• kc2
  Nov 21, 2007 at 12:45 pm

  From Kurts Father,

  I want to thank everyone who has been following the story of my son. It’s very nice to know that there are so many people out there that genuinely care for other people. You are all Angels. God Bless you all. Kurt is doing very well, and I can’t wait for him to get home. Have peace in knowing that your donations are going to be used for a worthy cause, and some funds will be used to help other kids at Childrens Hospital. If you would like to show your support in form of donation
  Mail checks to:
  Academy Bank
  For Kurt Green Benefit
  9901 Grant St.
  Thornton, Co. 80229
  Thank you for your assistance. You are all true Angels. God Bless You, and have a Happy Thanksgiving.

  Sincerly,
  Kurts Father Craig

• ESJH_coworker
  Nov 24, 2007 at 9:06 am

  Hello all,
  New to this blog / forum and am quite amazed, and a little disappointed, in the content and direction this forum has taken regarding Velta et al. I wonder, do any of you actually “know” Velta personally?. And by “know her” I mean know her personally, as an acquaintance (or coworker) currently (not “know of her” from years past). I’ve known Velta for over 2 years to date, I work(ed) with her at ESJH, and am privy to as much of this drama as can be culled from media, friends, and family. I’d like to take just 2 minutes of your time to share with you exactly what “is” known, and what “is not” known, and put an end to all this speculation, rumor, and just plain irresponsible rhetoric. What “is” known, and we are all aware per national media, is that Velta’s boyfriend of less than 1 yr. (Mike) recently moved into Velta’s home from Grant, Neb. A couple months ago. ~ Essentially an internet stranger / lover / confidante. Until this incident occurred, Mike had been freeloading off of her, a single mother of 2, and “apparently” (per statements made per his family, and Velta) has a history of anger control issues precipitated by alcohol use / abuse, but “none” of the “facts” (documentations of public record) regarding said past history (or investigation-oriented details of recent assault) have been made public as of yet, so this is as well public speculation. Yes, it can be said that Velta has made some poor judgments when it came to choosing the company of men (2 children; separate biological contributors), but should we, as a compassionate society, condemn women who display disdainfully poor taste in men !?!.
  Mike, as we are aware per self-incrimination, is a batterer. This is “all” we know about Mike, and we haven’t any social obligation to embellish upon this repulsive demeanor beyond this fact. Mike will no doubt receive incarceration-borne treatment we, a civil and fair society of humane people, desire regarding retribution (ie; regular brutal beatings, and in all likelihood rape) in prison, and this will help us all to sleep soundly at night (sic). Don’t misinterpret my point here, Mike is a vile person for what he has done to Kurt, and he most definitely deserves to be punished for his indiscretions of brutality against children, but, we don’t know “ALL” the details surrounding the abuse allegations.
  I’m not a big fan of Velta’s, but I am an incurrable “devils advocate” for the delivery of justice, and am rather shocked by the complexity and diversity of rhetoric which has developed since this case had surfaced. What we, the staff of ESJH know, is as follows:

  * Velta was working the night shift (7pm-7am)
  * Mike and Velta had a phone conversation in the early portion of her 12 hr shift,
  he was attending to her 2 children at her (their) house.
  * ”something” was communicated to Velta about Kurt being in a state of distress
  secondary to a fall, acuity of fall-related distress as it was related to Velta is unknown by anyone but the investigators, Velta, and Mike. NONE OF YOU BLOG CONTRIBUTORS KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS OF THE ASSAULT!!!
  * Mike convinced Velta (assumed) that Kurt had fallen, and was “ok”

  *** (if I had a dollar for every time one of my brothers or I hurt ourselves rough-housing at home while our parents were at work, I’d be a wealthy kid!). If my Mother, or father, were to leave work every time I called crying about being punched by my older brother, or bullied by a neighbor kid, or fell into the creek, the blackberry bushes, fell off our bikes, etc… we wouldn’t have had a dime to live on. My brothers and I fought like cat’s and dogs, we got ourselves into trouble almost daily, and we have a plethora of physical bumps and scars, earned throughout a rough-and-tumble youth, that we brag about with great exuberance to this very day.

  * Velta made the “apparent” error in allocating a “modicum” of trust in her boyfriend, (something none of us would have done of course ) and assumed her boyfriend was relaying an accurate representation of Kurt’s condition (a degree of competence and keen perception we hold of our firefighters and peace officers), dispelling any need for concern, or departure from the only reliable and secure source of income the 4 of them rely upon (per Velta) by rushing home.

  * Velta (apparently) called home throughout the duration of her shift, and was (apparently) reassured all was “ok” with Kurt.
  * (fact) Velta chose to finish her shift, returned home to Kurt
  * Velta and Mike drove kurt to Hospital for assessment sometime around noon (3+ hrs. following her return home from work to Kurt’s side).
  * Mike admitted to abuse (the number of punches, kicks, etc… is immaterial, “ANY” degree of abuse, physical or mental, is unacceptable, and should be dealt with with extreme predudice.
  * many employees at ESJH rallied to Velta’s aid; requesting financial assistance from the Sisters (foundation) to offset Velta’s loss of income whilst at the side of Kurt, and requested donations of ESJH employees of PLT (vacation hours) as well.
  The staff of Telemetry rallied (albeit blindly), and the Manager of Velta’s unit even “proudly” encouraged the staff to donate for the cause, sending e-mail to all telemetry staff lauding them for their “self-less” displays of generosity and compassion ~ that is until Velta was arrested as well, then the ESJH PR “damage-control” shills engaged this Jerry-Springer episode, and the “SH*T HIT THE FAN”. Telemetry manager “A.B.” fired off a departmental e-mail removing herself (and the foundation) from ANY involvement (or support) from the Velta A. debacle, washing their hands of it all - COWARDS ONE AND ALL !!!.
  * Velta’s mother (an RN herself) calls staff on telemetry unit to solicit the bail to release Velta from jail, apparently assuming she could manipulate the compassion of Velta’s coworkers to do what “Mother” should do herself !!! (bail the daughter she was party to “messing-up” out of jail herself), just incredible !!!
  * it is NOT known how Velta was released from jail, but apparently she is free.
  Has anyone actually taken the time to read Velta’s “MySpace” profile, or Mike’s?
  These two are a match made in heaven !!!

• itsmeclf
  Nov 24, 2007 at 11:13 am

  Okay…yeah right…If anyone wants to try to convince people that this beating was the very first time that Mike put his hands on KURT…They are crazy think that we can believe that…I believe most of us on her truly think that this little boy has been hit by MIKE several different times and it has been already stated that the little boy had pre-existing bruises…pre-existing marks and bruises does not mean…SUPRISE this is the first time so there was either some major neglegence from Velta, she is blind, OR SHE KNEW….yeah I guess ESJH_coworker, you called it she made an apparant error…seriously she made more than just an apparant error, she made such an apparant error that almost cost her sons life! Obviously there are other woman out there that have done the night shift and allowed their children to be left alone with their boyfriends/husbands/friends and this is not the first incident of abuse unfortunately…that is why they have a wesite called parents behaving badly.

• ESJH_coworker
  Nov 24, 2007 at 12:17 pm

  WOW “itsmeclf”,
  You strike me as a particularly “angry” person. I do hope you (or others) didn’t misinterpret my post. I do indeed feel that Mike should receive punishment to the fullest extent of the law!!!. “HOWEVER”, despite the fact that Kurt, in addition to the horrific assault and injuries he sustained, may have a few superficial marks here and there, is it our place to pass immediate judgement upon Velta as an abuser in lieu of proper evidence. In all fairness, can you (anyone) please post a link to any news item/s revealing pre-existing evidence of bodily injury subsequent to physical abuse / treatment / parental neglect. I’ve scoured the internet, the Denver post, and the Rocky Mt. Newspaper for evidence of pre-existing injury and have had no luck what-so-ever. If indeed this is public knowledge - then I do indeed appologize for posting a half-baked opinion regarding my perception of this incident. Do all of the contributors feel that Velta is an abuser?. If so, please send me links to news stories, or police reports, verifying said evidence.
  Please forgive me for my ignorance if I’m naively unaware of other rather incriminating items of general knowledge.

• ESJH_coworker
  Nov 24, 2007 at 12:25 pm

  “itsmeclf”,
  Please don’t interpret this as an insult, but I’d like to offer my services to you as a grammar and punctuation coach. Regarding your posts, I think you have much to say, much of value and poignancy. Please feel free to contact me any time to critique future posts, it would be a pleasure. Keep writing “itsmeclf”, your view have been a refreshing breath of rhetoric.

• itsmeclf
  Nov 24, 2007 at 12:57 pm

  I am not generally an angry person at all, however take a 4 year old punch him in the stomach (split his intestines in two, put him in critical condition, HE HAD TO BE AIRLIFTED TO THE HOSPITAL) THAT is one thing that makes me extremely angry; CHILD ABUSE…it is disappointing, it hurts, and it is extremely heart breaking! So when I took two minutes out to listen to what you had to say…by the end of it I was literally “Like” okay what exactly are you saying here? In one sentence it seems like you are sticking up for Velta and in another seems you don’t much care for her and then in the end you believe her and Mike are a match made in heaven….Almost seems like you are her friend, trying to post things for her while trying to pretend your not her friend….that was my inital thought! ALSO blog’s are for opinions and comments not everything has to be fact based… these are our opinions, thoughts and comments about what we all might believe…and think has occured…I do want to THANK YOU though, I appreciate your few facts that you posted…

  Also just wanted to clarify something:

  So is…. what you’re referring to when you stated that there may have been a few superficial injuries to Kurt, you believe they could have been sustained through possible rough housing with his siblings, like you did when you were a kid…RIGHT?
  JUST LIKE THE ONES you all sit around and remenis about?

  One thing I think is sadly confusing is that Velta has seemingly lost reality of what she is really facing now….SHE WAS ARRESTED, and it wasn’t for a traffic violation…she is facing serious abuse related charges!

  In the beginning of this blog everyone felt sorry for the mother, everyone stuck up for her as well as your co-workers, THEN when Velta was arrested and charged, that is when the blog’s changed, oh and that is when your co-workers abandoned her financially and emotionally too….

• itsmeclf
  Nov 24, 2007 at 1:07 pm

  and thank you for the opportunity to personally work with you in relation to my punctuation and grammer errors…but I would rather spell, grammer, and punctuate wrong, then have a co-worker like you

• onthegowith5xy
  Nov 24, 2007 at 6:23 pm

  ESJH, I have to agree with itsmeclf. You are all over the place with your post! At first you sound like you are friends with Velta and that you are defending her and that poor excuse for a man and then you sound like you hate both of them!?
  Your post didn’t really make much sense and if you ask me, I think you just got bored so you busted out the thesaurus and dictionary to sound smart and then just said a bunch of random things. Some of us don’t have the time to check every single word we type!

• itsmeclf
  Nov 24, 2007 at 7:25 pm

  onthegowith5xy, thank you because I seriously read, ESJH_coworker’s first blog three times to make sure that I did not miss something! I really do almost think that the Thesaurus was brought out and it was a little over done…then they got confused about how they felt and the point they were trying to make got lost….I am all for listening to others opinions and points of views…and at first I really thought theirs was going to be a good one…

  Truly, I would be interested in knowing what ESJH_coworker’s actual point of view is…seems to me like they are just