20-year-old Krystle Leigh Weber smokes out with 2-year-old son
20-year-old Krystle Leigh Weber initially rejected the idea of her 2-year-old son “taking a hit”. But apparently this didn’t last long as she had soon, with her camera-phone, created three videos of him staggering around with a blunt.
Hey mommy, are you retarded?
Krystle tells police she knows what she did was wrong. No duh? I’m sure they’re gonna make her learn this lesson real good with the 3 charges they’re bringing her up on.
(thanks for the tip kelly)
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81 opinions for 20-year-old Krystle Leigh Weber smokes out with 2-year-old son
April RJ
Oct 17, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Hey - Let me guess - This little bitch didn’t do it and the video is a fake??? What is wrong with these girls??? She was dumb ass enough to be smoking pot in front of her two year old but then thought is was an even better idea to let the little guy take a hit?? Someone please tell me that they plan on removing her reproductive organs!!!
April RJ
Oct 17, 2007 at 7:43 pm
http://www.hudsonstarobserver.com/articles/index.cfm?id=26173§ion=Wisconsin%20News
A Menomonee Falls woman and two friends are accused of sharing marijuana with the woman’s two-year-old son and recording the episode on a cell phone.
The 20-year-old mother was charged Wednesday in Waukesha County with child neglect.
The other two, men ages 19 and 20, are also charged with possessing marijuana and contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
Police were tipped off to the incident which happened in mid-August. They seized the cell phone after getting a court order.
It still had clips of the toddler smoking pot. He was seen staggering around a bedroom and one of the defendants asked “Hey buddy, are you stoned?”
He apparently wasn’t. Blood tests did not indicate marijuana in the two-year-old’s system.
As a result, District Attorney Brad Schimel said it would have been hard to convict the adults of actually delivering the pot to the youngster.
April RJ
Oct 17, 2007 at 8:01 pm
She still has custody of the child!! ARRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/irresistible/14325378/detail.html
MENOMONEE FALLS, Wis. — A Menomonee Falls woman and two friends are accused of giving her toddler a marijuana cigarette and videotaping the incident.
Police said the three adults were smoking pot, when they passed the marijuana to the woman’s 2-year-old boy, WISN-TV in Milwaukee reported.
One of the friends recorded the scene on cell phone video, which came to the attention of police.
“It’s impossible to tell whether the child puffs on it or blows on (the marijuana),” Waukesha County District Attorney Brad Schimel said. “If the child ingested any, it was a very small amount, because the test came up negative.”
The child’s 20-year-old mother was not charged with giving the child drugs since none was found in his system, but she faces misdemeanor child-neglect charges.
She still has custody of the boy, but she is being monitored by Waukesha County Human Services.
The two other people involved also face charges.
rockdoll_71
Oct 18, 2007 at 3:41 am
What a dumb bitch…
Kathy
Oct 18, 2007 at 4:04 am
“Hey mommy, are you retarded?”
Ah-hahahahaha!
I hope they are making her submit to mandatory drug tests too. Obviously, she surrounds herself with stoner losers, so even if she stayed clean it doesn’t mean that the baby isn’t still being exposed to this lifestyle.
Ugh. Young immature bitches having babies and then using them to entertain their friends. What a trashy skank. Can I slap her around please?
alovingmom
Oct 18, 2007 at 5:48 am
Check out the losers myspace. It is private but you can still see all the references to drugs and sex while the pic shows her with son
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79105965
April RJ
Oct 18, 2007 at 6:08 am
Damn! It’s set to private.
Kathy
Oct 18, 2007 at 6:57 am
Ah, but as you can see her mood is “high”…
Gary S
Oct 18, 2007 at 6:58 am
Police were tipped off to the incident which happened in mid-August. They seized the cell phone after getting a court order.
He apparently wasn’t. Blood tests did not indicate marijuana in the two-year-old’s system.
Are the cops really that stupid? If it happened in August, of course there will be nothing in his system. Marijuana lasts a max of 30 days in your system, unless you are obese, then it stays longer in the fat cells, but for a one time use it will disipate completely in 30 days.
Just take her kid away before she can harm him any further. It’s phenominal what people find “cool” A stoned 2 year old is not cool, it’s called making a child grow up before their time.
These people really piss me off.
April RJ
Oct 18, 2007 at 8:01 am
Gary - In addition, they could not tell if the child was “puffing” on it or “blowing” into it. I guess if he was blowing (likely) he may not have it in his system. Nevertheless - She put her child at risk. Stupid whore! Again, I am left to wonder how long until they claim the video was a fake… This story seems all too familiar (x-baby).
acompton
Oct 18, 2007 at 10:29 am
i hope this little boy will be okay and find a loving mother!!!! Where is the father while all this shit is going on?????? She needs to get her ass kicked!!!! This just makes me sick!!!!
Shel
Oct 18, 2007 at 12:35 pm
If it was my 20 year old daughter involved in all of this I would be taking her to court to take custody of the child. She is obviously not mature enough to be a mother. And not smart enough to use birth control or keep her legs closed. Ugh! I hate stories like this. If she wanted to be irresponsible, fine, but to involve the child. Sickening!
alovingmom
Oct 18, 2007 at 8:15 pm
I didn’t even spray aerosol Airfreshners when my first was a baby cuz I was afraid the chemicals would harm his brain. Of course I was not so uptight with my second (I would spray them in another room and keep him away for a while)LOL. But giving your babies growing brain mind altering drugs shows you have no hope for your childs future, and obviously don’t realize parents are the #1 influence in whether a child succeeds or fails. Any loving parent wants their kids to grow to be 10 times better than they themselves are even if they consider themselves successful.
sfdude_2008
Oct 18, 2007 at 8:15 pm
Wow, what a crazy slag! She really shouldn’t have any kids at all! As for her mugshot, her face just shrieks, “I DON’T CARE CUZ I’M TOO STUPID AND HAPPY ABOUT MY STUPIDITY!!!!!!! FUCK YOU!!!!!!!! LOL HEKEKEKEKEKEKE!!!!!!” She is SOOOOO unfit to be a mother! As for her son, I hope he is okay and I hope for him to find a loving foster family who would NEVER do drugs!
carysehlwinn
Oct 18, 2007 at 10:07 pm
“As for her son, I hope he is okay and I hope for him to find a loving foster family who would NEVER do drugs!”
You do realize that the overwhelming majority of marijuana users do so responsibly, and are wonderful parents?
Seriously though, good luck finding these foster families that NEVER smoke weed, or drink alcohol or smoke tobacco, or eat sugar (they’re all drugs).
C.
fourkidzmom
Oct 18, 2007 at 11:35 pm
Why do these losers always have Myspace pages? Seriously, this is why dh won’t let me *have* a Myspace page is because it seems like that site is filled with trash like this. Yes, I know there are upstanding citizens who use Myspace also (I have a few friends with accounts) but I really don’t want some of these people on Myspace (like this chick) who look like the cast and crew of the Jerry Springer show looking at pictures of my family and I.
Did you notice her current mood on her Myspace page is “high”? Yeah, I’ll bet. @@ What a moron. I’m surprised she still has the child. Someone sew her knees together, please.
rockdoll_71
Oct 19, 2007 at 3:57 am
I just looked at her Myspace page. She sure is proud to be a dumbass, isn’t she? “Currnet mood-high” Oh, that’s something to brag about, now isn’t it? I hate stupid whores like this. It’s hard to tell what she’s “teaching” her little one. I feel sorry for him. I really do.
Kathy
Oct 19, 2007 at 4:12 am
Why does every post having to do with some pothead parent harming their child turn into a pro vs. con marijuana debate?
I don’t want to get into it, but sheesh. This woman gave the drug to her child. I’d say the same thing about someone who gave their child a beer or a puff on a cigarette. Ugh.
rockdoll_71
Oct 19, 2007 at 4:18 am
Kathy, I agree with you. I don’t care about the marijuana debate. If you are an adult, fine. Do what you want in your own home. I just hate the idea of this woman corrupting her little one. Like you, I would feel the same if it were a cigarette or beer or ANYTHING that was bad for him. It just isn’t right. I only care about the child, not about what adults do in the privacy of their own homes.
carysehlwinn
Oct 19, 2007 at 7:19 am
“Why does every post having to do with some pothead parent harming their child turn into a pro vs. con marijuana debate?”
Because people tend to make comments that are sweeping generalizations about all parents that use pot.
C.
April RJ
Oct 19, 2007 at 8:17 am
Parents that use pot are fine. Right. It’s the sh*t head ones that do it in fornt of their children and WITH their children that are f*cked up. It’s illegal!! If you teach your children to partake in illegal subtances - YOU ARE A MORON!!!
easilyamused
Oct 19, 2007 at 9:36 am
I have a friend that has told me many, many times…”i’d rather her son smoke pot than cigs, she’ll ‘introduce’ it to him so he won’t be curious (go figure THAT out) and lastly…it’s NOT a lead-in drug”…how stupid can you be? Plus the obvious…it’s illegal.
I know people who have gone completely downhill after a few years of smoking it so maybe this idiot had already smoked for years thus totally impairing her already screwy judgement.
easilyamused
Oct 19, 2007 at 9:39 am
And excuse me but ALL parents who smoke pot ARE morons simply because IT’S ILLEGAL AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CHILDREN TAKEN FROM YOU FOR DOING, POSSESSING, SELLING OR SHARING IT………………..simple.
April RJ
Oct 19, 2007 at 9:50 am
Okay - you got me there. I am a person that believes you should lead by example. I don’t smoke pot. I hope that my son will not be a pot smoker (though there are far worse things he can do). I DO drink wine on occasion. I do it in front of him. He sees me being responsible and not jumping in my car driving. I guess some folks might think I’m a moron for that. But you are correct - It is illegal. The parents that teach their children, by example, that doing illegal things are COMPLETE morons. They should be stripped of their parental rights.
April RJ
Oct 19, 2007 at 9:52 am
One more thing - If it became illegal to drink alcohol tomorrow - I would not continue to do it. If it meant possibly losing my child. He means more to me than life and I would do what ever it takes. I may not be a model parent but I know that I will NEVER have my child taken from me for any reason.
carysehlwinn
Oct 19, 2007 at 10:53 am
“And excuse me but ALL parents who smoke pot ARE morons simply because IT’S ILLEGAL AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CHILDREN TAKEN FROM YOU FOR DOING, POSSESSING, SELLING OR SHARING IT………………..simple.”
Pretty bloody rare in Canada. You gotta have a serious, serious drug offense to get your kids taken away here. It’s not like the U.S.A., no one takes your kids over a dime bag.
C.
Everard
Oct 19, 2007 at 10:55 am
@fourkidzmom:
“Seriously, this is why dh won’t let me *have* a Myspace page is because it seems like that site is filled with trash like this.”
Your husband exerts that level of control over you? And you’re OK with this? Where’s his trust in your judgment?
stupipplshldntbreed
Oct 19, 2007 at 11:18 am
Kathy, I think the marijuana debate comes up here often with a case like this this because I think there are many pot smokers who have raised their kids, done it well, been responsible, paid their bills, fed their kids, and I think we worry that people who’ve never done it themselves or been exposed to many (if any) that do, read these kinds of articles and think to themselves, “another doper killing their kids”.
It’s not the mary jane that does this kind of stuff, it’s stupid people using mary jane (or using it as an excuse). Thanks to propoganda like Reefer Madness there is a lot of misconception about the reality of marijuana.
Kathy
Oct 19, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Cary- This happened in the US. This girl is a US citizen. She needs to follow the laws here. Now, I think the time wasted on enforcing the marijuana laws are a waste of taxpayer money, BUT once again when you are responsible for raising a child you should have some concern for this persons development.
For this reason, my daughters exposure to my alcohol consumption etc is very limited. I have many friends that are cig smokers, but I do not allow them to smoke around my daughter, I do not sit in the “smoking section” at restaurants and I restrict her caffiene and YES sugar intake. Because I am a responsible parent.
Now, I have been around marijuana. Not a smoker myself, I know a few that choose to partake. I feel the only difference between marijuana and alcohol (when used responsibility) is that alcohol can not be transmitted to those around them via secondhand smoke.
I have never seen Reefer Madness so my observations are based strictly from personal experience. There are alot more generalizations I can make about potsmokers, but they have nothing to do with this thread.
I will say this. People who are willing to break ONE law tend to disregard other ones as well. Marijuana is illegal. No matter how we sugar coat it.
April RJ
Oct 19, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Kathy - Do they still have smoking sections ins NC?? They don’t exist in CA any longer. I am glad for that. I think it’s disgusting for someone to impose that on others shile they are trying to have a meal.
Kathy
Oct 19, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Yep, they still have smoking sections here (SC.) They tried to make all public places in my city non-smoking and people had a FIT. They had to take it back, however SOME of the bars & restaurants went ahead and remained non-smoking. YAY for them! They get all my money. :)
I noticed that when I moved here, there were a huge number of smokers as compared to Texas. It’s really gross. You should see all the cigarette butts lining the streets at the stop signs and lights. I mean, go ahead and have your habit, but PLEASE use the ashtray in your car and clean it up later. DON’T THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW!!! It is my biggest pet peeve!
Now, I have a couple of friends that smoke, but most of them spend all their money trying to quit. Plus they are considerate and will not smoke if we ask them not to.
April RJ
Oct 19, 2007 at 2:01 pm
Sorry for the incorrect state. I knew it was one and I had a 50/50 chance of getting it right. ☺
Cali no longer has smikong in restaurants and bars. Plus, Disneyland even has a “smoking areas”. It is much nicer. Most smokers here are considerate enough to use them. There are a few who aren’t. We see the butts in the street. BLEH! I have one smoker friend and they even go outside of their own home to smoke when I am there with my son. Gotta love ‘em. BTW - They smoke pot also.They don’t do it in front of my husband and I oer our child. They know that we don’t judge them but don’t want to expose our son to it.
carysehlwinn
Oct 19, 2007 at 5:24 pm
“I will say this. People who are willing to break ONE law tend to disregard other ones as well. Marijuana is illegal. No matter how we sugar coat it.”
Let me ask you, have you ever jay walked? Downloaded an .mp3? Eaten a grape at the supermarket?
Most of us are just fine with breaking *some* laws, it doesn’t mean that we’re willing to disregard them all.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find one adult who has never broken a low, no matter how tiny.
Yes, marijuana is illegal, but so are the things I’ve cited above. I don’t think most people would think twice about the illegality of crossing a quiet street on a non crosswalk… but it’s illegal. I don’t think willingness to break a law that doesn’t make sense to you is indicative of your tendency to break those laws that are important for the public good.
C.
carysehlwinn
Oct 19, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Er… substitute low with law, in the above.
C.
Kathy
Oct 19, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Ok, let me rephrase.
People who are willing to break one law that would result in an arrest and/or jail time are willing to break another law that would result in an arrest and/or jail time.
Now I don’t know if I’ve ever jaywalked, but I do know I would probably get fined if I got caught. I would not be arrested and asked to appear in court. I pay for my mp3s, and really can’t afford a lawsuit (which a local lady just lost over 6 songs) so I wouldnt do that. And NO I don’t eat grapes at grocery stores unless they are in the sample container. I just don’t. I have this thing with dirty fruit. I don’t care if other people do, becasue what is the value of one grape? Sure its theft, but they are arouns 99 cents a pound over here right now so…
Anyway, like I said. This is my personal experience with marijuana smokers. The smokers *I* know. I only know of ONE smoker that I woud say is 100% like the people who smoke and otherwise live a perfectly law abiding life…and that person uses it for medical purposes.
The recreational marijuana smokers tend to live a pretty “recreational” life.
Lisa
Oct 19, 2007 at 7:49 pm
Kathy, yes you can go to jail for jay walking and for stealing grapes (I know a woman who went to jail for the first). It’s great that you do the right things (I try every day), but some of us make mistakes. I lost my temper and yelled at my toddler yesterday to “LET ME THINK FOR A MINUTE!” I felt horrible afterwards and apoligized. I think the key is if you are going to make mistakes (and every one of us is) is to make the ones that don’t put your children in danger. I don’t realy care what side on the pro/con marijuana debate you are on, you should not have your child in a party situation without a responsible (aka sober) adult to take care of him/her. As for the cigarettes, I believe this contry is modeling itself after Nazi Germany (look it up, our anti-smoking laws are stricter now than they had under one of the most hated rulers in the world). Any one who is willing to give up their freedom (be it cigarettes or the patriot act) for security (no matter what the government does, they can’t promise it) deserves neither. As long as we are on the subject of rights, why don’t our children here have the same rights (as in the right not to be abused, neglected, or murdered) as everyone else?
Ihavekidstoo
Oct 20, 2007 at 4:10 am
Cary, you said: I think you’d be hard pressed to find one adult who has never broken a law, no matter how tiny.
Well, let me be the first to introduce myself. I have never done drugs of any kind, never driven drunk, never eaten a grape at the supermarket, never taken anything that didn’t belong to me and the one time I inadvertently broke a law - speeding - I paid for my crime.
And guess what? I’m NOT unusual, Cary. MOST people in the U.S. go through their lives as law-abiding citizens, no matter what stereotypes you may believe about us up there in Canada. I realize it may be very easy to believe those stereotypes are true when you see sites like this one on the internet.
But the truth is it’s actually NOT that hard to live according to the law. Mostly, it just requires common sense. You know, that inner voice that tells you maybe it’s NOT a good idea to smoke pot around your kids.
carysehlwinn
Oct 20, 2007 at 5:25 am
“Well, let me be the first to introduce myself… and the one time I inadvertently broke a law - speeding - I paid for my crime.”
So, you broke the law… correct?
“And guess what? I’m NOT unusual, Cary. MOST people in the U.S. go through their lives as law-abiding citizens, no matter what stereotypes you may believe about us up there in Canada.”
It’s not a stereotype about the U.S.A., it’s the truth about human beings, regardless of country. People break laws all the time, everyone. That they’re tiny, and don’t hurt anyone else doesn’t make them any less illegal.
“You know, that inner voice that tells you maybe it’s NOT a good idea to smoke pot around your kids.”
Who said anything about smoking pot around their kids? You recall, I said responsible pot use. Certainly the woman in the article here wasn’t a responsible user (or parent), but that doesn’t change the fact that the majority of users are responsible when it comes to drug use and being a parent.
C.
Ihavekidstoo
Oct 20, 2007 at 6:47 am
We just seem to have a fundamental disagreement about human nature. You seem to think that breaking the law is “natural” for most people. I believe, based on my own experience, that it’s actually an aberration.
And I also believe the words “responsible” and “drug use” in the same sentence are an oxymoron.
April RJ
Oct 20, 2007 at 7:38 am
Oxymoror…LOL The MORON part may be correct. Smoking pot is illegal. Anyone who thinks it is okay to partake in illegal activities should not have children. Parents are supposed to teach their children how to behave. You want them to follow your rules in your home but you can’t obey a simple law???? Why would they follow your rules when you are teach them otherwise?? DUH!!! WTF???
April RJ
Oct 20, 2007 at 7:41 am
Don’t get me wrong. I am not here to debate the evils of smoking pot. I feel that the gov’t should make it legal and tax it just like tobacco and alcohol. But as long as it is ILLEGAL… It should be treated as such. Coming from a moral standpoint. What do I know about morality?? Cary is the most moral person to ever visit this site. Now she can tell me how I am wrong and smoking. Hang on folks. Here we go……………
April RJ
Oct 20, 2007 at 7:42 am
Sorry - should have read: Now she can tell me how I am wrong and smoking pot with your children is the thing to do.
carysehlwinn
Oct 20, 2007 at 12:36 pm
“We just seem to have a fundamental disagreement about human nature. You seem to think that breaking the law is “natural” for most people. I believe, based on my own experience, that it’s actually an aberration.”
I’m not saying it’s natural, per se. I’m saying that most people do it, frequently, based upon what makes sense to them.
“And I also believe the words “responsible” and “drug use” in the same sentence are an oxymoron.”
You’re free to. I, and many, many others disagree.
C.
carysehlwinn
Oct 20, 2007 at 12:41 pm
“Oxymoror…LOL The MORON part may be correct.”
Cute.
“Smoking pot is illegal. Anyone who thinks it is okay to partake in illegal activities should not have children. Parents are supposed to teach their children how to behave. You want them to follow your rules in your home but you can’t obey a simple law????”
See my examples about jaywalking, .mp3s, eating grapes, speeding (thanks Ihavekidstoo for that one), etc. Unless you are seriously saying that 99.9% of all adults have not broken at least one of these, or similar laws in their lives.
“Why would they follow your rules when you are teach them otherwise?? DUH!!! WTF???”
I can’t tell if you’re being rhetorical or not.
C.
carysehlwinn
Oct 20, 2007 at 12:42 pm
“Sorry - should have read: Now she can tell me how I am wrong and smoking pot with your children is the thing to do.”
Clearly you haven’t actually been reading what I’ve saying.
C.
carysehlwinn
Oct 20, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Been saying, that is.
Cursed lack of an edit button.
C.
Kathy
Oct 20, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Lisa- I just want to clarify, I am not trying to say smoking of any kind should be illegal. I just think that my right to a smoke free environment and the right to maintain my health because of my conscious choice NOT to smoke trumps anyone else’s to smoke.
This is a subject dear to my heart because my mother, a non-smoker, grew up in a smoking household and suffers from asthma and other lung diseases now as an adult.
And have you been to Germany lately? we lived there for a little while. EVERYTHING seems to be ina haze of smoke. I could not even take my child to the McDonald’s there (she was 2 at the time and already freaking recognized those damn golden arches…) without choking and coughing from the cloud of smoke. As a matter of fact, standing at the crosswalk OUTSIDE, we were standing in a cloud of smoke. I just don;t want to live in a place like that.
April RJ
Oct 20, 2007 at 2:25 pm
I think I got sick of reading sometime back. You are the only person who’s veis are right and the rest of us are complete idiots. I am bored with all of it. Now I must spend the rest of the day wondering how one becomes so self-righteous.
April RJ
Oct 20, 2007 at 2:32 pm
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Pak67
Oct 21, 2007 at 10:25 am
I don’t care how much pot anyone of us has or has not smoked. This woman obviously lives a life of drugs. What she did to her baby is inexcusable. She is his protector and mother and should not have let one single person influence her. If she was smoking pot at the time, and usually does, then I am sure she wasn’t in the right mindset at the time. A 20 year old partying pot smoker probably shouldn’t have a child at this point in her life but since she does then she needs to sit down and think about what matters most and start acting like a responsible mature adult. She says she knows what she did was wrong, well that makes it even worse. She knew it was wrong and let it happen anyway. He could have died or be physically harmed for life, was she ready for that?? This type of person is tough to change.
April RJ
Oct 22, 2007 at 9:34 am
Thank you Pak. She seriously didn’t need a child. Probably is one of those girls who got pregnant to try to save a teenage romance - Not thinking that a baby would put a damper on her partying. Well - Now jail should put a damper on it. Stupid bitch. At least they should take the baby. Then she can carry on with her life and let the child be raised by someone more capable. She should not have custody.
stupipplshldntbreed
Oct 22, 2007 at 11:49 am
We just seem to have a fundamental disagreement about human nature. You seem to think that breaking the law is “natural” for most people. I believe, based on my own experience, that it’s actually an aberration.
I think it’s more that human nature dictates our imperfection. I have to agree with cary on this one. It’s pretty impossible to go thru life without breaking laws. You may not have done it itentionally (the example you gave of a speeding ticket is perfect) but it still happens.
I also agree with his statements about RESPONSIBLE pot use. And I disagree that (exclusively) using that particular drug increases your likelihood of breaking other laws in general.
Just MHO
Lisa
Oct 24, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Kathy, so your rights are more important than someone who makes the choice to smoke? Why? I loved Germany because (with my two year old) I realized that responsibe parents make the right descisions for their chilren without the government having to do it for me (and I’m a better parent for it). I remembered the ideals that made this country great (freedom, liberty, and the right to persue happiness). Most of all, I fear for my children not learning right from wrong because people like you are deciding that for them.
April RJ
Oct 24, 2007 at 4:27 pm
Lisa - I have to agree with Kathy. People who smoke impose the dangers on other people. It’s not like smoking in their care, where the smoke is contained to harm just them. second hand smoke is offensive and harmful. So, while your righ in that people have the right to CHOOSE to smoke - Why does that make it okay for them to impose it on people who choose an obviously healthier lifestyle?? Think about it. I don’t think it’s fair that I have to walk through a cloud of smoke at the local Target store with my son because the employees sit by the door to smoke on their break. It’s disgusting and not at all fair to my child who has asthma. His rights are being violated at that point. It would be different if there were more curtious smokers that didn’t impose their vile habits on others.
Kathy
Oct 25, 2007 at 6:57 am
“I realized that responsibe parents make the right descisions for their chilren without the government having to do it for me”
Ummm, YEAH and my responsible parenting means I am not exposing my child or myself to secondhand smoke. This is my choice. When someone around me decides to smoke, they are basically making that decision for me too. Sorry, but that is just as bad as any law making you NOT smoke. Except for the fact that those laws are probably doing you and your lungs a big favor.
“I remembered the ideals that made this country great (freedom, liberty, and the right to persue happiness).”
What about MY freedom? What about my freedom not to have to endure the enormous medical bills etc that my mother now has to deal with as an adult because of someone else’s decision to smoke? What about my freedom to have and enjoy a meal in a smoke free environment?
“Most of all, I fear for my children not learning right from wrong because people like you are deciding that for them.”
What am I deciding for them? Smoking? No, I am deciding for myself. I do not want to live in a smoking environment, so I choose to vote and spend my money at establishments that believe the same way I do. Seriously, do you really think smoking or not smoking is teaching them right from worng? What about the laws against murder? Do you think they are not learning right from wrong because of there are laws against murder?
I’ll say it again, I don’t think there should be laws completely banning smoking, I just want to be protected from smokers. You can make the decision to endanger your health for you and your children, just don’t try to make that decision for me and mine.
This makes me wonder, what do you think about the peanut free zones at school? My daughter is not allowed to bring any peanut products to school because of a handful of kids that have severe peanut allergies. Should we just let those kids suffer, maybe even end up hospitalized because my daughter loves peanut butter? After all, shouldn’t her freedom to enjoy peanut butter override anyone else’s freedom to remain in good health?
April RJ
Oct 25, 2007 at 7:57 am
Peanut free zone??? Really??? Hmmmmm. I have never heard of that. Interesting. It makes sense though. My son is free to take peanut butter (whatever) in his lunch - but I know that for parties we can’t provide products that have peanuts in them. We can only bring store bought items and they have to have an ingredients list on them. Peanut free zone seems a little extreme. You would think that they would just not allow sunch sharing and know the children with the allergies need special attention to assure that they are not eating other childrens lunches.
Sorry to change the subject. You already know that I’m with you (Kathy) on the smoking thing.
stupipplshldntbreed
Oct 26, 2007 at 2:22 pm
The only problem with all this crap about second hand smoke and people bashing smokers is the amount of of smoke you’re getting from me pales in comparison to the pollution you’re breathing from other sources.
It’s just apitty you can’t smell all the shit in the air, or see it much of the time. it’s so easy to bitch about my cigg smoke. You see it and smell it.
Are you so worried about your son’s asthma that you’ve given up cars? what about other sources of air pollution? the very generation of electricity causes tons of pollution.
I respect your right not to smoke, and i respect it to the point that I decline to smoke IN MY OWN HOUSE if I have visitors that do not smoke (yes including children).
It just pisses me off that there is no respect returned. Target employees sitting right at the doorway smoking,t hey’re assholes and have no respect, and deserve none.
I however am not that kind of person. These laws being passed about not being able to smoke in public are just plain fucked up. Sorry, but that’s how I see it.
What about the disturbing images of all these kids who don’t get off their video gaming butts, who eat everything and anything they want, they weigh 400 lbs before they’re 20, they’re hard to look at. What about my right to be “pollution free”?
This is also becoming the biggest health epidemic in our country (childhood obesity).
I just think that if both sides have a little respect we woudln’t even have to have this kind of conversation.
April RJ
Oct 26, 2007 at 10:41 pm
I’m in NO way debating the “issues” surrounding smoking. I can appreciate a curtious smoker. It’s just a shame that there are not many smokers that are curtious of us non-smokers. I have freinds that smoke and respect my decision not to but smoking outside of their own homes. I can’t tell you what that means to me. Besides, if they didn’t, I probably wouldn’t visit often.
As for my son’s asthma - I live in LA. That (i’m sure) is a major contribution. We have been lookink to relocate to help the problem (maybe).
Lisa
Oct 27, 2007 at 7:45 am
stupipplshldntbreed, well stated.
April RJ, I always try to be polite when I smoke, so I took for granted that most people were. I do not smoke in anyone’s house (I always have my kids so I don’t smoke in my car, either), and I don’t smoke in my own home. I believe that an establishment owner should choose if they have a smoking section (I don’t take my kids to bars or coffee houses because of the smoke). If you don’t want to breath in smoke than don’t go to the resturaunt or get take out. I don’t allow smoke around my kids (or drug addicts or alcoholics or cleaning solutions or too much sugar or too much tv, etc). I have some bad habits, but my babies shouldn’t suffer because of my mistakes.
April RJ
Oct 27, 2007 at 1:59 pm
Lisa - I don’t think ill of anyone that maks the decision to smoke. I think it’s nice that there are some considerate smokers. I have to say that most of my friends that smoke are considerate (same as you). I live in CA. All public areas are now “smoke free” indoors. Not amusement parks are another thing. Disneyland DOES have a smoking area.
Anyhow, sorry to have turned this into a debate on smoking. That was never my intention.
jaleja
Oct 29, 2007 at 6:54 am
Well, whether you smoke or not, and whether it’s tobacco or not, you DON’T share it with your 2-year old. Not directly by letting them take a drag and not indirectly by smoking around them. Period.
stupipplshldntbreed
Oct 29, 2007 at 3:01 pm
April, Lisa and Jaleja. I am glad. I know there are a lot of very intrusive smokers, and oftentimes when it comes up on message boards many non smokers act as if all smokers are like that.
I agree with, “It’s just a shame that there are not many smokers that are curtious of us non-smokers. ”
And would only add to it that many non smokers are intolerant and judgemental about smokers. It’s also a shame that more people (like you three) can’t also show a little respect towards my decisions, when they don’t directly impose.
Thanks!
April RJ
Oct 29, 2007 at 3:46 pm
I think anyone who can reccognize that ANYTHING they do that might be offensive to others and goes about it in a respectful manner is amazing and I have complete respect for them. I am no one to judge people for the decisions they make as long as they don’t affect me. Just like drinking for instance. I could not care less if some one is an alcohiolic - As long as they don’t put my life in danger by jumping in their car while impaired. Believe me - I have habits also - I pick at my split ends (I know not the same) but I won’t do it in front of people for fear that they might think it’s gross. Anyhow - I don’t mind if people smoke. I just want to choose if I go outside to sit with them while they smoke or stay inside and not jeopardize my health. I really do believe that ALL people should try to be curtious of one another in every aspect of life (not just smoking). We get one chance at life and who wants to go around pissing people off???
But I have to agree strongly with Jaleja - It’s not if you smoke or what you smoke, YOU DON’T GIVE IT TO A 2 YEAR OLD!!!
jaleja
Oct 31, 2007 at 7:55 am
Stupippl, I was not talking to you directly (you will know when I am because I will address you as Stupippl), I was voicing my opinion in general. But, since you are replying to me directly over a general comment I made, I will reply to you directly. I don’t care if you smoke or don’t smoke, but if you do smoke *whatever* and share what you are smoking with minor children, you should be brought up on charges for child endangerment. And you don’t know if I smoke or not. I happen to be a smoker who quit, so I’ve been on both sides of this debate. So put that in your pipe and you know what.
stupipplshldntbreed
Oct 31, 2007 at 12:02 pm
Jaleja, It seems I’ve offended you somehow? Not sure how.
I only added your name to my reply because I MEANT to agree with your statement. I must have had a brain cramp while writing my response.
I completely agree that my body is mine to care for or destroy, and that sharing with a child is just sick and wrong.
April RJ
Oct 31, 2007 at 1:04 pm
stupippl - That is why I hate to jump to conclusions with statements that are in black and white. Sometimes it comes across the wrong way. I know that I was offended when I read your post the first time - But after reading it again I realized that there was nothing offensive about it.
Prime Parenting
Nov 1, 2007 at 6:36 am
[…] of the fact that yes, you are doing a fine job in comparison. Such as the mother mentioned on Parents Behaving Badly who apparently not only smoked up in front of her two-year-old son but also let him smoke a bit […]
stupipplshldntbreed
Nov 1, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Thanks April. I strive for that same feeling. I try not to assume, but you’re right, it’s hard in print to always get the right feel for what a person’s saying.
April RJ
Nov 1, 2007 at 3:31 pm
stupippl - Today is my “leaf turning” day. I wore devil horns to work yesterday and everyone kept asking where my costume was. Today I am a kinder, gentler April…LOL
I have been a victim of the whole jumping to conclusions to something in print thing. It involved a family member. From that I learned how things in writing (typing) can be taking SOOOOOOOOOO wrong. Your intent becomes distorted and trouble brews. Oh, well. good thing we are all adults here and these things came be resolved. *hugs*
Kathy
Nov 2, 2007 at 4:12 am
well, GREAT! Now I’m offended because i WASN’T mentioned in stupippl’s post! Ok, not really. I just want to say that I am not a Anti-smoking Nazi and I have lots of friends that smoke (BOTH types of leaves…) I just have my preferences.
(Why does that feel like the I am NOT a racist speech I hear all the time?)
stupipplshldntbreed
Nov 2, 2007 at 8:31 am
LOL Kathy, cuz you’re saying you’re not “racist” against smokers, and it feels like you’re defending yourself!
and just FYI! MONDAY IS MY QUIT DAY~! (again damnit, again).
April RJ
Nov 2, 2007 at 9:22 am
stupippl - I’ll be rooting for you. Hey - I have a friend that quit through hypnosis about 8 years ago. She swears by it.
Kathy
Nov 2, 2007 at 9:41 am
Chantix.
My friend quit using this. It cost $100 though. Ugh. Lucky for her, our company reimbursed her 75% for quitting. They implemented this no more smoke breaks policy and used this as an incentive to quit.
She had soo much energy taking it, I almost wanted to fake like I smoked just to get me some! LOL!
April RJ
Nov 2, 2007 at 10:27 am
I hear Wellbutrin is amazing for quiting. Plus you don’t get the weight gain.
Kathy
Nov 2, 2007 at 10:40 am
ok, so what’s good for quitting all this Halloween candy?
April RJ
Nov 2, 2007 at 11:19 am
KAthy -They have yet to find a cure for that. mmmmmm - I guess you stop when it makes you sick to look at it!! LOL
April RJ
Nov 2, 2007 at 11:20 am
I always bring it to work and make my co-workers fat with it. That might help some…
Kathy
Nov 2, 2007 at 11:45 am
That’s what I’ve done! but it is sitting on my desk and I keep reaching into the bowl! So instead of having to face it at home, I get to face it 8 hours a day! LOL!
jaleja
Nov 6, 2007 at 8:17 am
Sorry, Stupippl, I read this
“And would only add to it that many non smokers are intolerant and judgemental about smokers. It’s also a shame that more people (like you three) can’t also show a little respect towards my decisions, when they don’t directly impose” after being replied to by username, and thought you meant it was your decision to share or not share smoke with your children, and we should show a little respect for your decision. I also wanted to point out that I have been a smoker in the past, so I can understand both sides of the smoking debate. Sorry about that and for jumping down your throat the way I did. I misread your post.
stupipplshldntbreed
Nov 8, 2007 at 4:07 pm
Kathy, the cure for your halloween candy addiction? Christmas candy, of course!!!
Jaleja, no harm done :o)
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