Parents Behaving Badly

25 opinions for Evelyn Doninger, 23, throws baby at state trooper

• April RJ
  Sep 24, 2007 at 4:37 pm

  What a gal… She should NEVER see her children again!!

• Susan
  Sep 24, 2007 at 8:45 pm

  And next I’m sure we’ll hear that she was using the marjiuanna for medical purposes to cure some mental illness she has! Sounds like she was mixing something else with the pot, I used to smoke pot and me and those around me never became violent, usually it calmed us down and made half of us fall into a VERY relaxing sleep (after having MAJOR munchies and doing a 3a.m. white castle or taco bell run) LOL. No wonder pot gets such a bad name LOL. And yet another seam comes loose in our society! The child is better off being taken away from this mother, seems like she’s another one of those parents who wouldn’t set a positive, good example for the child to follow! Sad thing is, she’ll probably just have more kids!

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 25, 2007 at 3:18 am

  The lesson to be learned here is that no matter how “harmless” you think your mood-altering substance of choice might be, once you have children you need to give up using or abusing ANY substance. Even good parents aren’t perfect all the time, but why increase your chances of making a bad judgment call … like say, tossing your baby across the room at a cop … by using any substance known for impairing one’s judgment.

• Shel
  Sep 25, 2007 at 7:15 am

  I know it’s not funny, but I laughed out loud. What exactly did this woman think she was going to accomplish by throwing her child at the cop? I’m in Baltimore and this is a very bad part of the city, so I’m sure the cops are use to being called out for these types of domestic issues. I’m just thinking of what it must have looked like to everyone involved. She’s sitting in a chair and gets irate at the cop. The first thing she sees to pick up and throw at him (to avoid being arrested) was her 6 month old baby! What is this world coming to when not only does it sound ludicrous, but I laugh out loud and cry out WHAT?

• carysehlwinn
  Sep 26, 2007 at 9:25 am

  It is cases like this that work against those of us who are seeking legitimacy in the eyes of the public when it comes to marijuana.

  This mother’s conduct should *not* be blamed on marijuana.

  If the mother had been caught with one bottle of beer instead of a joint, I don’t think anyone would be blaming that one beer. The *only* difference between alcohol and marijuana is the legality. That and the fact that tens of thousands of people aren’t dying yearly from marijuana.

  C.

• Kathy
  Sep 26, 2007 at 10:23 am

  I don’t know about that. Alcoholics and drunk parents are on this site all the time. Any substance that impairs judgement makes people more likely to do dumb things.

• April RJ
  Sep 26, 2007 at 12:00 pm

  Kathy - That is true. While I agree that smoking pot is not nearly as bad as smoking crack - It is just as bad as drinking. We supposed to be setting an example for our children.

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 26, 2007 at 1:18 pm

  In high school and college the people I knew who smoked pot were also always the ones who were dead set against cigarette smoking. How’s that for hypocrisy?

  You want to know how I know pot smoking is bad for your health? Common sense. How can lighting a fire an inch from your lips (not to mention near your eyes) and sucking in smoke of any kind ever NOT be bad for you?

• April RJ
  Sep 26, 2007 at 2:45 pm

  Ihavekidstoo - I had to laugh at that last part. That is truly common sense… LOL Never mind that it impairs your ability to think normally and slows your reflexes. Let’s face it - It is not a good idea. Especially with your kids hanging around!

• Lisa
  Sep 26, 2007 at 9:08 pm

  This woman is deranged and should be on drugs (under the direction of a psychiatrist). Why in the name of everything sane would you throw your child anywhere ever? Thank goodness for this officers quick reflexes. I vote life in a mental institution.

• skankyskeezer
  Sep 27, 2007 at 6:22 am

  Wow. That is one angry woman. It’s rare that you run into a violent pothead. She obviously needs a lot of counseling, parenting classes, and if anyone wants to give the kids back (I’d be wary), a lot of supervision for a very long time.

• skankyskeezer
  Sep 27, 2007 at 6:26 am

  Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 25, 2007 at 3:18 am

  “… once you have children you need to give up using or abusing ANY substance. Even good parents aren’t perfect all the time, but why increase your chances of making a bad judgment … by using any substance known for impairing one’s judgment.”

  So I take it you’re not a wine lover. You probably do forsake all mind altering substances (pssp caffeine is one!), but I find the hypocrisy of it all hilarious. You know we have people thinking weed is the evil thing it was made out to be in government propaganda films/programs (DARE) and will berate any one who smokes it, but then go home after work and down a couple servings of beer, whiskey, or wine. It’s all just so damn cute.

• Susan
  Sep 27, 2007 at 7:11 am

  skanky I agree, there is ALOT of hypocricy in this world! what’s the difference between “hiding” something from your kids, like going out with friends and having some drinks every so often, or being at home with a bunch of friends watching a football game and having drinks while your kids are there? I don’t hide from my kids what I’m doing….if I’m going out with some friends to have a few drinks and relax a little, I tell them that. No, I don’t do drugs, and I don’t condone people who do drugs with their children around even, my point is…if as a parent your constantly telling them that drinking is bad, but then your going out with friends and “hiding” having a few drinks once in awhile from your kids, what kind of an example is that your setting now for your kids, especially when they find out what mommy and daddy do when they go out with their friends? It makes you look like a hypocrit to your kids, and they start to question your honesty, etc. That’s like telling a kid that stealing is wrong, and then the kid finds out that your stealing yourself, no matter how minor the “stealing” may seem to you (maybe you got more food on your tray at the resturant then what you paid for, or the cashier didn’t ring something up and you don’t point it out), to a child, it’s still stealing, they see and realize alot more then I think parents realize or want to admit to, and now your setting the stage for your child to now “sneak” behind your back to do what you’ve told them not to do because they figure hey, mom and dad can do it, so can I! It’s almost like your teaching them how to get away with something even though you may not realize it at the time!

  I don’t think all drugs alter people’s minds as claimed, I think sometimes (depending on the drug) the drug is bringing out someone’s true feelings, or who they really are, after all, they say a drunk never lies right? Some drugs do alter the mind, but let’s also keep in mind that people who usually have serious drug and alchol problems are usually people who are already trying to cope with something in their lives, or are trying to mask something about themselves, or are trying to hide from reality. Drugs and alcohol gives them an “escape” from whatever ails them, and I think it brings out the person’s true self, or their true feelings, etc. My brother is a perfect example of this…when he’s not drinking, he hides his violent temper, but when he’s drunk, he loses his control over his temper, everyone around him always acts surprised by his personality change when he’s drunk and sober!

  I think what children REALLY need to see is people being responsible with their actions, for example, it’s okay johnny to have a few drinks once in awhile, it’s how you handle yourself before and after you have the few beers that makes the difference to a child and what impression they get. If a child sees you drinking a beer, everyday, all day long, as a normal type of “drink” (compared to drinking water all day, etc), then the child starts thinking (despite what you tell them, because ACTIONS speak louder then WRODS!) that having a beer all the time is normal, same thing with drugs. If you drink a pepsi everyday, all day long, then the child will prefer pepsi as a drink of choice, and so on. If you learn control over whatever your doing, then your child sees that having a few beers once in awhile is no big deal, in fact, the kid probably isn’t even going to notice the beer in your hand at a friend’s party, because you have not made this a norm in their life! The point is, don’t lie to your kids about things you do, it will bite you in the rump later in life! I have never lied to my now 16 year old son about his dad’s drug issues (his dad left when he was young), I always told my son that his dad was a wonderful person when he wasn’t doing the drugs (and he was!), but that his dad had alot of issues he was trying to deal with, and he allowed drugs to take over his life. I smoke cigerettes, and everyday my son voices his wishes that I would stop smoking, he’s not sneaking behind my back now trying to experiment with stuff because I’ve always been honest with him about the world around him, and about myself and what I do. I hope that this honesty continues with him the rest of his life, and I try to make sure he keeps himself around positive people who will influence him in a positive way. My exhusband’s mother used to always tell him not to have sex before marriage, never explained why he shouldn’t, etc, just told him not to do it, but then one day he found out that she herself had had sex before marriage, and guess what, he’s now a male whore so to speak! I hope you see my point, this has gotten long again lolol

• April RJ
  Sep 27, 2007 at 8:22 am

  Susan - I love a glass of wine. I won’t lie. I think the trick is to teach your children that you don’t do it in excess. Also, if it makes you act violent and you know it does - DON’T DO IT AT ALL!!! I don’t sneak around my son. I will have a glass of wine on the couch in front of him. He has never seen me drunk or unable to speak without slurring my words. He has also NEVER seen me down one and then go drive down the street. I chill out, at home, in front of the tv. I sip my wine and then go to bed. Now I don’t think pot is a bad thing but it is illegal.

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 27, 2007 at 11:38 am

  Skanky - I drink wine and the ocassional beer although never more than a glass or two at a time. I’m allergic to caffeine but in the days before I knew that I guzzled more than my fair share of coffee and diet coke. My point is that abuse or overuse of ANY mind-altering substance is a bad idea when you are responsible for kids.

  If getting high - or altering your reality, however you want to put it - is more important to you than the well-being of your kids, then please don’t have children. Smoke your weed, swill your booze and leave parenting to those who know how to grow up when the time comes to do so.

• Susan
  Sep 27, 2007 at 12:18 pm

  I agree with both of you. My biggest point was that it’s not a drug or drink that makes a person “evil”, but it’s a person who turns the drug or drink evil!

• carysehlwinn
  Sep 27, 2007 at 1:36 pm

  So I ask again, what is the difference between the so-called responsible parents who relax at the end of the day with one glass of beer or wine, and the so-called irresponsible parents who relax at the end of the day with one joint?

  Right, there’s none.

• April RJ
  Sep 27, 2007 at 2:55 pm

  Cary - Mentally, there is not a difference. Legally there is. I agree that it seems silly to have pot be illegal while alcohol is legal. Fact is - it is illegal and we don’t want to teach our children that it is okay to disobey the law.

• carysehlwinn
  Sep 27, 2007 at 5:02 pm

  That depends upon where you live. Right now the illegal status is up in the air in Canada.

  C.

• Susan
  Sep 27, 2007 at 5:32 pm

  As a rule of thumb, with alot of things in life, as soon as you tell people they can’t have something legally, then those who want it find a way to get it. Slowly society is trying to make cigarettes “illegal” (with the government jumping into that bandwagon), honestly, who is anyone to tell me what I do in the privacy of my home or car, as long as I’m not harming my children or putting them in danger by my actions? Honestly, how can our government say what’s legal or illegal, especially when they have their hands in our money charging us taxes on all of it? Take away the tax money that local, state, and the federal government make off of alcohol and cigarettes…suddenly you’ll have a major deficit in cash flow in those offices! Using cigarettes as an example….states received millions of dollars in tobacco settlement money, claiming they had to pay for all these people who had lung cancer, etc, but the thing is, the states didn’t spend as much I’m sure as they claimed, after all, if you have private insurance available to you, you don’t qualify for public healthcare coverage, therefore the state isn’t have to pay anything for your healthcare coverage, and even now most private insurances won’t pay for someone who smokes, so the person ends up with that burden of the cost themselves. Out of all the money the states received, I have yet to have ANYONE from the state come up and help me stop smoking, the “programs” they set up with the funds they charge you for, it’s not a free service! The states charge an outrageous amount of taxes just to buy a pack of smokes, in their hopes of discouraging people from smoking (don’t think it’s working though but it sure is giving the states alot of extra spending cash!), you can buy a 6 pack of beer for less then a pack of smokes, take off all those taxes and a pack of smokes would only cost about $1.00 (just like with gasoline prices!). They have spent more money on trying to prevent children from smoking, which to me is pointless if mom and dad are smoking at home, who is the kid going to be more influenced by..the school or their parents..of course their parents! And yet have we heard of any major lawsuits on behalf of the states against say Budweiser, or Coors, or other alcohol makers? After all, the state spends A HELL OF ALOT more money dealing with drunk drivers then on people who smoke (for example)! Smoking a cigerette does not interfere with my judgement, actions, etc, and you never hear of someone dying from smoking and driving or from a cigerette overdose! My thought…people are still going to get things no matter what, and when you tell them they can’t have it, they’ll try even harder to get it! So why not make it all “drugs” legal, make some money off of all of it, and find ways to control it’s use, I doubt it would make a difference, but hey, there are laws concerning alcohol and those aren’t enforced like they should be, and people use it in excess! I personally think what harms people the most with alot of these drugs is what goes into making the drugs, they use things that will cause major damage to their body and minds, all because their desperate to get their hands on something to get “high”. If drugs were used in their natural form, in a controlled way, without all the added ingredients, and were more “easily” accessible, then maybe we’d see a drastic decline in all of the drug usage and crime because now no one is having to “sneak” around to get the substance, and in the process, our local, state and federal governments would have more money to spend on stupid stuff that benefits no one! Just my thoughts!

• Kathy
  Sep 28, 2007 at 6:19 am

  Cary- you are right, there isn’t much difference. It is when those substances are ABUSED that the problems start.
  In this stor, there was mention of “other” illegal substances, but the smell of pot is what tipped them off.
  And I totally agree with April. It is illegal in the US. We do not want to teach our children that it is ok to disobey the law. I might have a cocktail or two, but I won’t drive drunk. It is against the law. Just a side note. When I do drink, i always make sure there is another completely sober adult around -hubby usually - to be responsible for my child. I would hate to make any important decisions in that state. This woman did not do that.

• carysehlwinn
  Sep 28, 2007 at 7:33 am

  I agree there’s a difference between using and abusing, and that the mother in question seems to have been doing more than just relaxing with a joint here or there.

  I was mostly commenting because of Ihavekidstoo’s assertion that “The lesson to be learned here is that no matter how “harmless” you think your mood-altering substance of choice might be, once you have children you need to give up using or abusing ANY substance.”

  Since she cited not just abusing, but the use of any substance… I think that’s ludicrous to say that once you have children you need to refrain from even having a drink or a joint once in a while.

  C.

• sd6262
  Oct 1, 2007 at 10:56 am

  Here she is!

  http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=21152781

  A number of pictures in there, too. Cute kid : \

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Oct 1, 2007 at 1:49 pm

  I must say to start off that I feel it’s a travesty for individuals and families alike that alcohol is legal and pot isn’t. Alcohol (IMHO) is the second most destructive drug we have, bested only by meth.

  I disagree with Susan’s assertion that no substance is good or evil, and/or that it brings out your real self. I feel that you’re “normal” self is the sober self. The qualities that drugs bring out for you are false. They’re usable, things like courage, motivation, calm, whatever you get, it’s not the real you. In some cases it might be what you’d LIKE to be, but it’s not.

  As a constant self medicator (mary jane of course) and mother of three I believe Meth to be as evil as an inanimate object or substance can be. I firmly believe that turns people into things they never would have or could have been without it.

  I have seen alcohol wreak havoc almost as devastating as meth on many lives. I have NEVER seen pot, when pot is the ONLY substance being used, destroy even a single life.

  There has never been an overdose, it doesn’t make people violent, and it doesn’t cause people to break into gramma’s house and beat the hell out of her cuz they’re out and know gramma has a stash of money that can be taken to buy drugs with.

  I also have to admit that upon first reading this story I HAD to laugh. The visual I got of this lady, stoned out of her gourd, tossing the baby at the cop made me chuckle.

  Once I got past that my reaction was WTF??? Cuz seriously, it’s not that funny. I am glad the baby is ok, and I hope they give her some serious drug treatment and therapy, cuz you know they’ll return her kids.

• Shel
  Oct 9, 2007 at 7:02 am

  It’s good to read I wasn’t the only one who laughed out loud at this story. It seems to weird to be true! As far as the MJ issue, all I can say is that I think MJ causes a lot less problems for society than alcohol, but the government is making a lot of money by keeping it illegal and allowing it to be transported in. Don’t think there aren’t politics behind the reason it’s still illegal. As far as Canada goes, I was there about 3 years ago and it is perfectly legal to walk down the street smoking a joint. You are not allowed to be caught selling it nor carrying more than “personal” use amounts on you, but I have to admit I thought it was pretty cool to see and I’ve never met nicer, more calm and quiet people (even at the Punk Bar)!

  I say legalized MJ and outlaw alcohol. Test run it for 5-10 years and if there isn’t a marked difference in trends, then change it back.

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