Parents Behaving Badly

191 opinions for British Couple Kate and Gerry McCann Named as Suspects in Daughter’s Death

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 9, 2007 at 5:36 am

  What a suprise. Did anyone NOT know they were responsible?

• Susan
  Sep 9, 2007 at 6:01 am

  Can I get a VERY LOUD AMEN???? I’m so overwhlemed with joy that it has finally been shown that they had something to do with all of this! YYYYAAAAAAHHHHHHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! To all of those here who doubted my posts concerning this case, got mad at me for posting updates and my thoughts, all I have to say is….IN YOUR FACE!! OH MY GOSH I AM SO EXCITED THAT THE TRUTH IS FINALLY COMING OUT ON THIS!!!! I have been following this case VERY closely and have said ALL ALONG that these two had something to do with it all, even with the meds!!!! No wonder they are so quick to want to go home now! I have been bashed on so many others sites, even the UK site that has been reporting daily on this case, and if my posts there even got posted it was usually posted with half of my remarks AGAINST these two removed and made to sound nice!! I hope now that these two have to pay back ALL of the money they have gotten from donations, AND I hope their friends who were with them ALSO get charged in all of this! REST IN PEACE MADDIE, JUSTICE IS FINALLY BEING SERVED FOR YOU SWEETHEART!!!! OMG OMG OMG I’M SO EXCITED THAT THE TRUTH IS FINALLY OUT!! I’M DANCING ALL OVER THE HOUSE THAT THESE TWO HAVE FINALLY BEEN CAUGHT IN THEIR OWN LIES!!! I do regret that poor Maddie has had to pay the ultimate price, but she can now rest assured that her siblings will have a brighter future away from these two drug giving “doctors” who aren’t fit to be parents! OMG OMG OMG!! On the Jon Benet case…daddy did it, and the sooner the truth comes out the better on that story as well!!! HALLELUYAH THANK YOU LORD FOR FINALLY BRINGING THE TRUTH OUT IN THIS CASE! ROT IN HELL MCCANNS!!!! WWWWOOOOOOHHHHHOOOOOO!!!!!

• Susan
  Sep 9, 2007 at 6:24 am

  Here’s a link to the latest “update”

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=480801&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  Kate mccann is now trying to say that the police forced her into a confession, and they are now trying to say that the portugal police messed up the investigation so badly that they are being wrongly accused to cover up for the police’s mistakes! What a load of BULL!! THE MCCANNS are the ones that “soiled” the crime scene before the police even arrived by allowing all these people from the inn, friends, etc, into the room, WHICH WAS JUST MORE OF THE MCCANNS’ WAY OF TRYING TO COVER UP WHAT THEY DID (sounds like what happened with the ramseys!) Also, I think the friend who went and checked on maddie when she “came up missing”, is the same guy that someone stated they say carrying a small child wrapped in a blanket…..their friend was carrying her body to their car, put her body in their car trunk, then came back, after all, it gives the mccanns the aliby that they were sitting at the dinner table when she “came up missing”! And I find it ironic that they have scurried home, and this whole time they have said the portugal police have fouled up this case, and yet it was their own BRITISH labs that found maddies blood!!! OMG my heart is racing and I’m just so anxious for these two to be thrown in jail and everyone who assisted to be prosecuted as well, I stated on another site and here that I’m sure the mccanns will now receive a “mystery call” on where her body is, well, I’m sure it’s just a matter of time now before they find her little body, and where that location is will COME FROM HER TWO PARENTS!! They should also be charged with causing nationwide panic, etc, throw everything at them, don’t hold back!!! Now they’ve ran home and will have to be extradicted…saw that coming too! Maddie, there are those of us out here who have not once believed your parents story, who have felt they were more responsible for your “disappearance” then they claimed, and I’m sorry you had to pay the ultimate price in their stupid parenting ways! We dont know you maddie, and only have you in spirit, but with your guidance, we will make sure your parents pay for taking your innocent little life! Your a beautiful little girl, sorry your parents didn’t appreciate you more while you were here with us! Rest in peace Maddie, you’ll always be in our hearts!

• KTexas
  Sep 9, 2007 at 6:26 am

  It’s hard to know what happened here, IMO, since possibly the police work was bungled just like it was in the Jon Benet case. However, I sure can’t understand why they wouldn’t have gotten a sitter instead of leaving the kids alone in an unlocked apt. Wouldn’t that be easier for the kids and the adults if a hotel sitter was watching them? Why would the window be open if a potential predator could just walk right in the door? Why are there traces of blood if Maddy was killed by an overdose of medicine?

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 9, 2007 at 8:57 am

  KTexas, I’m surely no expert, but I’ve read that certain adult medicines, when given to a very small child like Maddie, and in high doses can cause hemoraging. It’s possible she could have been bleeding from her eyes, mouth or even ears. That could account for the presence of blood.

  Or, if we go with the theory that she died of an accidental overdose, it’s possible her doctor mother, when finding her body, performed some medical procedures in an effort to revive her. Maybe even an emergency tracheotomy to open an airway.

• KTexas
  Sep 9, 2007 at 9:40 am

  “…in high doses can cause hemorrhaging.”

  I didn’t know that. I wonder if she had any medical equipment with her or if it would be possible to use makeshift stuff. They always show somebody on TV opening an airway with an Xacto knife and just some handy-dandy tubing lying around. *rolls eyes*

  My thought had been that maybe Maddy was injured while by herself (if it wasn’t an intruder) and that might be the cause of the blood. Who knows.

• Susan
  Sep 9, 2007 at 2:56 pm

  First off, kate admits to taking sedatives herself (which could be what’s contributing to her “calm” demeanor now, she admits she’s had “mental problems”, and if you notice, dad has done most of the talking (like in the Jon Benet case!). It’s possible that mom was giving maddie a dose and also herself, and accidentally gave maddie HER adult dosage!

  Second, I think they had help disposing of her body, I think that will come out very soon now that there’s more questions being raised! After all, one of their friends with them that night stated she saw a guy walking away from that area with what looked like a small child wrapped in a blanket, this was suposedly around the time that their male friend had went to check on their kids, how did these two males pass each other and not notice each other, unless this is just a made up part of the story that instead of him checking on the kids, he was putting her body in their trunk, and now puts major dents in this guys alibi!

  Also, the mccanns were late that evening ariving at dinner, and witnesses have stated they seemed like they were “not their usual selves”. Everyone who thinks their innocent is saying “how could they have disposed of the body without someone noticing, when they were being watched 24/7″. Well first off, where were these friends during the time that maddie was found to be missing? We already know that the crime scene was compromised not by the police but by all the people from the inn and the mccanns friends who were in the room way before the police arrived who were searching for maddie before the police were involved. How do we know that while all these people were in the room, that one of their friends weren’t already disposing of the body? And if that’s not the case, how do we know that the mccanns didn’t drive their car somewhere, and while all attention was focused on them (leaving the car unattended and not watched), that a friend didn’t show up to dispose of the body then?

  I just feel really sorry for all the people that have been mislead through all of this, those that have donated money to the mccanns site (the mccanns started missingmaddie.com, not anyone else!) to help find maddie, etc. I hope that when this is all said and done, their assets are sold, so much of the money goes into a trust fund for the twins, and the rest goes to pay back what the mccanns have basically stolen from the public in donations! If there isn’t enough to cover the amount, then they have to pay it back. And, I think it’s sad the people who are still trying to make excuses for them and think their innocent! If I did something like this, I would be lucky to if my child got her picture on a milk carton, much less receive this much of worldwide attention!

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• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 11:53 am

  LATEST UPDATE ON MADDIE CASE!!!!

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  Title of the news article: “Madeleine: Full DNA match ‘proves body was in boot of McCanns’ hire car” OMG, it is now official!! The mccanns own british labs have proven that maddie was in their car trunk!!

  Here’s the main points of the article:
  • Police search McCann villa in fresh hunt for evidence
  • File outlining case against parents handed to prosecutor
  • Kate McCann told to ‘confess or lose the twins’ by police
  • Couple use lawyer who represented Chilean dictator General
  • Questions over using Madeleine fund money for legal fight

  Okay, I need to go cry now, this poor little girl, she didn’t deserve any of this! All because her parents wanted to have dinner! I think the twins should also be checked for sedation drugs in their systems, as well as evaluations done on them to make sure there are no residual side effects of being drugged as well. I said it before, I’ll say it again, ROT IN HELL KATE AND GERRY!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 11:56 am

  wow, look at both kate and gerry’s eyes in the pictures at that article, you can see the look of guilt, of being caught! The picture above them of Maddie is absolutely beautiful! Makes me cry just looking at her! Rest in peace sweetheart, this will all be over soon!

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 10, 2007 at 12:06 pm

  I think there’s a lot of assuming going on in this thread. I do however think that regardless of how she died/disappeared her parents are culpable. Two highly educated, world travelling, supposedly knowledgable human beings, PARENTS, left their 4 year old and their 2 year old twins sleeping while they went to dinner? Sedated or not that is just stupid, wrong, irresponsible, did I mention fucking stupid?

  Regardless of what happened to that little girl, those two get what they deserve.

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 12:11 pm

  Article about the mccanns using the “find madeliene” funds to “clear their name”

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=480963&in_page_id=1811&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 12:13 pm

  it’s not assumptions stupidppl, this stuff is all over the UK press, the portugal police are even asking that these two be arrested, the truth about her “disappearance” is now coming out, go to the links and read it yourself!

• Kathy
  Sep 10, 2007 at 12:30 pm

  I can’t find where it says that the British authorities did the forensic work. The Portugal police have messed up so badly, its hard for me to trust them.

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 1:28 pm

  here’s another news article concerning children services in the UK investigating the mccanns.

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=480931&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  Also, the portgal police got the British police involved, at the encouragement of the mccanns, etc. The British police are the ones that did the second DNA test that has now come back saying it was Maddie’s blood! It states in that same article link I just posted in this post:

  “Detectives claim tests by forensic scientists in Birmingham support the theory that she came to harm in the couple’s holiday apartment on the night of May 3″

  Honestly I don’t think the portugal police have botched much of anything, because it’s the mccanns that soiled the crime scene before police even arrived (they had tons of friends, inn staff, etc, already in the room when police arrived!), how can you say the police messed up so badly in portugal, when now even the British police are backing up what the portugal police have been showing?

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 1:29 pm

  the first DNA sampling that the portugal police did was turned over to the British police for further testing, results, etc, because the portugal police admitted they didn’t have the resources that the British police have to do full tests, etc, on the DNA samples!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 1:40 pm

  If anyone botched up or messed up in this case, it was the mccanns! THEY are the ones who have changed their stories, gerry has refused to answer certain police questions, gerry is the one that got mad and stormed out of an interview when a reporter asked him a few questions concerning what police were saying, the mccanns are the ones that said they would stay in portugal until this case was resolved and has now suddenly changed their minds and hurried back home, the mccanns are the ones that were quick to get the media heavily involved, started a website to gain support and donation money which they are now wanting to use to hire high priced attorneys to defend them, not to mention all of the trips they’ve taken to “speak out about missing children” using those same donations, the mccanns are then the ones that got so upset about the media being so heavily involved in this case, and guess what, all their efforts have backfired and instead of it distracting the publics attention away from THEIR crime concerning their daughter, it has now all circled back to them! At one point, when they werent supposed to be talking about the case, gerry mccann himself was posting on the maddie site information about investigations, not tons of details, but trying to “correct” (or maybe defend himself?) what he said was wrong, and for the longest time only the mccanns would talk about what happened, they wouldn’t allow ANY of their friends or family to speak for them. Now all of sudden, their family is speaking for them, in fact, I just watched this morning on one of those good morning america type of shows and interview that was done with John Mccann, Maddie’s uncle, he himself was trying to peace together what to say on their behalf, in fact, at one point he said he ws detached from the whole situation and wasn’t sure what was really going on, and wasn’t even that close to Maddie and what was going on with her before she went “missing”. WTF? Now we have family members trying to profit in some way from the lime light as well? And, I’ve noticed that the cat doll that maddie loved so much has suddenly disappeared from kate’s hands and is no longer showing up in all the pics like it used to, what happened suddenly to this doll? Maybe this doll had more evidence on it, and with kate toting it everywhere, she was hoping there wouldn’t be any evidence left on it, so could it be that the police in Birmingham now have this doll for further testing? It will definitely be interesting to see how this all comes out now!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 1:49 pm

  And, the mccanns are the ones who started this whole “the police botched everything” campaign when things started pointing back at them. Think about it, who’s usually the very FIRST suspects in any missing child case??? The parents and immediate family/friends! In this case, the parents weren’t investigated first, no, some other guy was dragged through the dirt as a suspect, then finally cleared, and suddenly, as things started to point to the mccanns, the mccanns suddenly turned on the police and started this “I’m being framed” and “they messed up” defense! Thing is, if they were so convinced that the police in portugal couldn’t handle this case, they should have said something sooner, but no, they kept going along supporting the police until the finger started pointing back at them! In fact, gerry and kate wanted to be THE FIRST ONES to hear about ANY results of any tests, evidence, etc, before anybody else found out, now um, if your innocent and have done no wrong, why would you want to “filter” the info like that unless your just trying to keep the negative implications off yourself or bracing yourself to find out your a major suspect and might get caught in what you did? This whole thing with these parents has been fishy from the beginning, and suddenly now they scurry home and want to start a “normal, quiet life” for their twins? Again, WTF?? The twins weren’t seen with them much over the last several months, and suddenly now that the finger is pointing at them, they want to pull out and live a normal life? Gerry hasn’t posted anyting new on the maddie site since 9/6, I doubt we’ll hear anymore from him on that site now!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 1:55 pm

  Question, why is it so hard for anyone to believe that they may have accidentally killed their daughter and have tried to cover it up with an abduction story? Why?? Is it because they seemed sincere in their pleas for help? Is it because their doctors and no one thinks their capable of doing something like this? They obviously don’t make very good parenting decisions considering they’ve admitted to leaving their 3 children alone EVERY NIGHT while on vacation alone in the room while they went and had dinner, danced, competed in competitions, etc, hell even their friends on holiday with them admitted to leaving their children alone each night as well, not for half an hour, but for SEVERAL HOURS! If they can make those kinds of bad parenting choices (while in a country new to them, without getting a babysitting service each night, which was available by the inn they stated at, and their both doctor’s and could easily afford to do so), then why is it so hard for someone to believe that they could have given maddie a fatal dose of sedative, tried to save her, and then had the body disposed of and say an abduction happened? People amaze me with what they will accept and at the same time turn their cheek on!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 2:05 pm

  From the same article above as well it states:

  “But sources close to the inquiry pointed out that the tests, at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, had been checked extensively and were based on a detailed assessment by some of the world’s leading experts. They accused critics of a lack of knowledge about the case.”

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 2:08 pm

  It also states:
  “Significantly, sources also pointed out that the extensive forensic testing in the McCanns’ Mark Warner apartment had found no evidence of any other person being present on the night of her disappearance”

  Then it continues:
  “”The facts are that the people carrying out these tests are highly trained professionals who are extremely skilled at understanding the material, and everything they do, they double and triple check.

  “A lot of very detailed work has gone on and although it is a very complex area, there is full confidence in what has been sent to Portugal.”"

  “The Daily Mail has learned that Portuguese police believe the forensic tests carried out by British experts support their theory that Madeleine is dead.”

  “Interviewed on the BBC, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith expressed her confidence in the Madeleine investigation, saying the UK authorities would continue to provide the Portuguese police with any help they need.

  But the McCanns say they fear they are being framed to cover up the incompetence of police who failed to find the person who snatched Madeleine from her bed while the couple ate tapas with friends in a restaurant 50 yards away.

  It emerged that during their two days of gruelling interviews last week, the couple, both 39-year-old doctors, stonewalled 40 questions from detectives - exercising their right to silence granted to them as arguidos (suspects)”

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 2:20 pm

  Also, here is the mccanns site for finding maddie:

  http://www.findmadeleine.com/

  For a couple who have traveled to numerous places on donated fund money, for a couple who was supposed to be supporting ALL missing children agencies to find not only maddie but other missing children as well, and all the other nonsense they have said about trying to help find missing children and raise money for the cause of finding missing children, when you go to that site, DO YOU SEE EVEN ONE LINK TO ANY OTHER MISSING CHILDREN SITES? Are there any other missing children pictures on their page besides maddie? They don’t even have a link to the missing children’s agency that gerry came to the United States to visit and discuss what more could be done to find missing children…there is no reference to that agencies site, no contact information, nothing! For a couple so into wanting to find other missing children as well, and raise money to bring attention to the issue, they sure arent’ supporting any other missing children or agencies on their page! But yet I noticed there is 4 links to send money, support, fundraisers, including a STORE to buy missing maddie stuff, all these links going back to them, not other agencies, as well as a nice big link spot on how to make a donation to this site! And why is gerry keeping an online diary, why isn’t kate on there as well? Oh that’s right, gerry has been doing almost ALL of the talking for BOTH of them, but she’s a doctor, shouldn’t she be able to speak for herself, or is it so they don’t mix their stories up between them?

  I think alot of people in the public are having a hard time accepting that the mccanns are responsible for her death/disappeance because they’ve donated money to this site, and now they feel like they have been scammed and conned out of their money!

• Kathy
  Sep 10, 2007 at 2:30 pm

  Slow your roll Susan! I never said they were not capable of this. I just couldn’t find in the article where it said that the british authorities were doing the testing. I have since found it.
  Anyway. If my daughter went missing, I can’t say I would immediately lock up my house and forbid anyone to enter. I would probably have all my friends and neighbors over to help look for her. So I can’t fault then for that. The fact that they left her and her siblings alone is unforgivable though. Also, I won’t fault them for getting the media involved wither. I would want my childs face all over the place if she was missing. Thats how most missing and abducted childern get found, when complete strangers spot them somewhere from a flyer, etc.
  That being said, I think they should NOT be allowed to use the funds from the website to use for legal expenses. People who donated there donated for the sole purpose of finding missing children. If they want help with their legal funds, they need to start a seperate website so all the people that believe they had nothing to do with this can donate there.
  I think we will never find out what happened to this little girl. Its been over 4 months now. If the protugese police OR British authorities had any real evidence, they would have been arrested already. If they have hidden a bosy somewhere, they sure aren’t talking and I doubt they ever will. Also, the portuguese police have now focused all their attention on the McCanns, so if they DID NOT have anything to do with it, they are never going to find out who took her.
  Its sad. Just like someone else said, this is going the way of JonBenet Ramsey.

• Kathy
  Sep 10, 2007 at 2:34 pm

  Also, it was the responsibilty of the Police to seal off the crime scene, not the McCanns. From what I read, the police where there at around 11 pm and the crime scene was o=not sealed off until after 4 AM. Sounds like a huge mistake to me.

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 10, 2007 at 4:56 pm

  You know what is really damning in my eyes? The fact that one of the first things they did after Maddie went missing was to set up a fund to receive donations to help find her. It’s almost like they were emotionally blackmailing caring donors all over the world that if they just gave enough money maybe Maddie could be found.

  Money would be the last thing on my mind if one of my children was missing.

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 5:29 pm

  I agree I havekids. I understand that others would be in the room helping them find her, BUT, the mccanns are blaming the police for soiling the crime scene, when if they knew that valuable evidence was being stepped on, why would you allow tons of people to go searching through the place, knowing she’s not there? The Ramseys did the same thing! The thing is, I wouldn’t let ANYONE in the area at all, even to look for her, until the police arrived…why? because even I being just an “average educated person” knows through common sense that I could be hurting the investigation by letting tons of other people into the area! These people were doctors, surely they understood OVER anyone else how important it is to “perserve” evidence for an investigation (even John Ramsey knew this as well I’m sure, becuase of his business dealings, etc), and considering I would have already searched the ENTIRE place myself for my child, probably searching several times, there really wouldn’t be any need for anyone other then the police to search the place!

  Yes, I would want the media involved, but I wouldn’t have gone the route the mccanns did, and I haven’t seen too many other parents of missing children take the same route they did! Most parents that have been involved in any kind of crime against their child first of all doesn’t set up a fund account, take trips all over the world through those funds, etc, if anything, they’ve spoken on tv, but even then how many parents do we really see on tv talking about their missing child right away? We have amber alerts here in the states, and from what I understand, other countries have similiar types of alerts, right off the bat these two declared their innocence, way before anyone questioned whether they had anything to do with her disappearance or not! They turned so much attention on THEMSELVES, not on maddie missing, and didn’t really offer much help in the effort…..parents who have children missing are usually out there with the search teams (innocent parents I should state) hunting for their child, not on tv, the internet, etc, asking everyone else to get involved, usually it’s the police asking people for the help and willing volunteers come forward to search! Also, most of these parents don’t keep online diary’s, like their trying to keep everyone informed on what their doing day by day, how their feeling, etc, I feel as if gerry’s online diary was a way for him to clear his conscious, gain sympothy and support, and to try to justify his and kate’s whereabouts. Also, there have been quite a few high profile celebrities who have gotten involved with searching for maddie, right from the start, how did they find out so quickly about her missing when the rest of the world hadn’t even heard about it yet? And those celebs were quick to donate large amounts of money to the “fund”!

  Maddie has seemed to poof off the face of the earth, no one has found her, one minute gerry says she’s in spain, the next minute he says she’s somewhere else, and yet the police hasn’t been given this information? Considering there has been so much media about this case, surely by now she would have been found if she was alive, and if she’s dead, well, someone within the mccann camp I’m sure knows where she’s buried! I have a feeling it will be a friend of theirs that cracks first and gives up where she’s located, at first, considering how quickly they set up this fund to find her, I thought maybe they were going to try to say she was being held for ransome and she would suddenly be found after a period of time. But as things started to unfold even more, well, I think she’s buried somewhere back at their home in the UK, and that searches should go to their home and families homes in the UK and search their properties, I’m picturing a arched gardenway, white flowers, and a brick type of wall extending out from both sides of the archway, like walking into a garden setting. Call me crazy, but I think maddie has been “home” all along in the UK, and someone within their family and friends circle did the “dirty” work of burying her while they were in portugal! we’ll see I guess, but it doesn’t look good for them!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 5:45 pm

  here’s something I found interesting on the maddie site, concerning the store they have on the site. It reads:

  “Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited is a company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales, CRN 6248215. Registered office: Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited PO Box 53133 London E18 2YR.”

  Notice where it states “Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited is a company”, why would you start a company when your child is missing, a company that would actually profit from the proceeds? And then you register the name of this company? Most people who set up funds to aide in missing children things are set up as nonprofit organizations, not as registered companies! So obviously anyone who made any dollar amount of donation to this fund, apparently isn’t going to get a tax credit for donating money to a charity! Doesn’t that seem strange as well??

  Something else I find ironic is the song they have chosen for the site, “I would fight for you, I’d lie for you, walk the world for you, I’d die for you, you know it’s true, everything I do, I do it for you” Sounds like their trying to clear their conscious of their “store” and donations, because their doing it in her name! Again, it all seems VERY strange to me!

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 11, 2007 at 4:50 am

  I agree Susan that they seem to have been reveling in the limelight and attention Maddie’s “disappearance” has brought to them. And laying it on the media, saying the media has been hounding them and forcing them into the spotlight is just BUNK. They’re like every other celebrity who gets stalked by the media and complains about it. They secretly LIKE the attention.

  If they really didn’t want to be in the media spotlight, I’m sure they could have avoided a lot of the attention they’ve gotten. But they’ve been actively SEEKING the attention and seemed to be enjoying it. Until the cops named them suspects and the media started leaking the evidence against them, that is.

  My heart breaks for Maddie, and I pray that what the police allege - that she died of an accidental overdose administered by her mother - is really what happened. It would mean she simply fell asleep and never woke up, which to me seems less horrible for her than being abudcted, abused and violently murdered by a stranger.

  But my heart really goes out to the twins, who have lost their big sister, don’t understand any of what’s going on and may also end up losing both their parents as well.

  All because Kate and Gerry wanted to have an uninterrupted dinner but didn’t want to pay for a babysitter.

• Allie
  Sep 11, 2007 at 11:10 am

  Ok, this doesnt surprise me at all….but what were they thinking in the first place! ? You dont leave children alone in an apartment while you go out. If someone did abduct her, its their own fault for leaving her unattended. Let us not forget that she had siblings….they could have went missing too or worse but for some reason the intruder chose not to harm them. Hmmmmm now thats strange…Thats why I dont think there ever was an abduction in the first place. Im starting to believe there was some sort of accident or an accidental overdose and they panicked. So they might as well fess up to manslaughter and go on to jail if they did it. I dont know How they can live with themselves?….

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 11:46 am

  newest update on maddie case:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  article title”Large amount of Madeleine’s hair ‘found in tyre well in boot of parents’ hire car’”

  First two paragraphs:
  “Substantial quantities of Madeleine McCann’s hair were found in the tyre well of the boot of her parents’ hire car, it was revealed today.

  Investigators are convinced so much hair was found that her body must have been stored in the vehicle, which was hired more than three weeks after she disappeared.”

  “Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”

  Doesn’t look good for the mccanns!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 11:46 am

  “The police source discounted the theory that the crucial DNA was of Madeleine’s blood but it is understood that it was from bodily fluids given off by a decomposing corpse.” OUCH!

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 11, 2007 at 11:49 am

  Allie, you’ve hit on one of the things that has bothered me most about this whole abduction claim. I know if a strange person came into MY 2-year-old’s room at night and started making the kind of noise that would be associated with abducting a frightened, enraged 4-year-old, MY 2-year-old would be awake and would remember what happened.

  The fact that these kids apparently were unaware of what was going on tells me either they were drugged too or the people responsible for Maddie’s disappearance were people whom the twins weren’t afraid of … like their parents.

  Most 2-year-olds are able to communicate some basic information - like a strange man hurt Maddie. (Remember the 2-year-old in the Ohio pregnant mom slaying? He said “Mommy was crying. Mommy was hurt. Mommy was in the rug.)

  But I haven’t seen any report of the McCann twins saying anything like that.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 1:24 pm

  Susan, until the evidence is presented in a court of law i consider it to be assumptions. For example the press is NOW saying that the DNA is only an 88% match. The only information regarding the parents giving the child sedatives was from a portugal paper, and the reliability of that information is very suspect. AND the Portugal police have not requested the McCann’s be arrested.

  This is exactly why people need to be more careful about their information sources, and believing everything they read. Just because the newspaper says it, doesn’t make it true!

  There are a lot of assumptions being made about these people, and personally i suspect they were involved. I just choose to be leary about what I believe and don’t believe.

  Just because a news agency prints it, doesn’t make it true. There is a lot of sensationalism going on in this case.

  You also have to remember that Portugal law doesn’t allow ANY information to be released as long as there is an ongoing investigation (and there is). So you have to question the sources of your information.

  Who has leaked the information and what do they have to gain? Did the information leaked really come from an official source? Is there some advantage to spinning the story? Like selling papers, getting your 15 mins of fame, some kind of payoff for you?

  There is no way of knowing at this time.

  In regards to the children being left alone, i was watching Greta Van Suteren on Fox News last night and they were saying that the brits leave their kids like that all the time. Apparently to THEM it’s ok to do? That’s why the McCann’s weren’t the only one’s who’s children had been left alone while the adults were out at night having a good time.

  Considering their generally “way better than americans” way of behaving I was very surprised. It seems that kind of behavior is the norm for them?

  Susan, regarding their setting up a company. Do you know anything about business and charity law in the UK? I don’t. I do know that they’ve taken in over $2 million. I wouldn’t question this aspect without knowing more about the brittish laws. It’s possible they did it that way due to laws in their country.

  Here our laws would allow just a fund to be set up. Also, just because it’s listed as a business donesn’t necessarily have to mean they’re making a profit. Look at what adam walsh has done with the center for missing and exploited children.

  For me it’s not hard to believe they would or could do such a thing. For me, it’s a matter of not believing every sensational thing I read. There is a lot of information being provided by the media that they shoudln’t have. Are they making it up? Are they illegally releasing information they shouldn’t have? where is this info coming from? I know it keeps people buying their papers, and it keeps you visiting their websites.

  I think there is only the slimmest of chances that they DIDN”T do it, but it’s still there. In our country the standard of law is “reasonable doubt”.

  They found trace amounts of blood in the trunk of a car rented after her disappearance. That is likely sound information and from a source that can legally release such information. They also found hair, a substantial amount. Also appears to be reliable information. I have seen nothing more that I would consider to be really good, solid, reliable information.

  I want to see more. That blood and hair is not enough to convict someone in an american court of law.

  Money would NOT be the last thing on my mind if my child disappeared. Those people who have the money to keep their kids faces out there for a longer time, are the ones who get their kids back.

  Elizabeth Smart was an excellent example. She didn’t come home because of their daily prayers, or because of their strong mormon faith. That girl came home because her parents had her face out there, it cost a pretty penny to do, but it worked.

  Her parents are some of the wealthiest here. They had daily press conferences, set up a fund, paid top dollar to keep their kid in the media, and she’s home now. In fact she played her harp at camille cleverly’s memorial.

  I also don’t see it as out of the ordinary that they were travelling while looking for her. They had reported sightings all over the place. (Assuming she was abducted) She also disappeared from a tourist town. You know, where people who travel go?

  And if hearing my sad, crappy life online every day is going to keep people coming back to my website to see my missing child’s face, so they remember her, and me or whatever helps I’ll blog too.

  In closing, I would just like to reiterate, I suspect they’re probably guilty. I don’t know for sure, and neither do any of you.

  If you feel you do know for sure then I recommend you do a little research on the laws in Portugal and information sources. There just isn’t enough solid information to determine 100% that they did it!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:14 pm

  stupidppl, read the newest article I posted, first of, it’s not just the portugal police involved alone, the British police are also involved! The article states:

  “In a separate development this afternoon, the public prosecutor ruled there was sufficient evidence against the McCanns to pass on the case to a senior judge.

  A Portuguese lawyer said this might mean that the prosecutor wanted to impose stricter bail conditions or to carry out fresh searches or more interviews.

  It is also possible that he is recommending charges, although this would be unusual, Artur Rego said.

  “It wouldn’t be normal unless he had already prepared the case,” Mr Rego said.

  The judge has 10 days to decide whether to agree to the prosecutor’s request.

  The move is likely to increase the possibility of charges against the couple.”

  Now if that doesn’t look like an arrest coming soon, I’m not sure what does then, and let’s not forget that the mccanns have refused to answer questions that the police have asked them. One of the first things guilty people do when the finger starts pointing is them is say their being framed, which is now what the mccanns are doing. Look at many of the cases on this site alone where the parents plea their innocent, and yet have been found of the horrific crimes they have been accused of, like the piercy guy that locked his child up for 3 years in his room, he is now stating that it’s vindettas, etc, and that he’s innocent! Give me a break!

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:23 pm

  An arrest coming soon is COMPLETELY different from stating that they have ordered the arrest. It’s not looking good for them. There is still a huge difference.

  The brittish have done the forensic testing and sent dogs, but I am unaware of the britts planning any kind of investigation or charges. It seems it would be out of their hands as no crime was committed in the UK.

  You’re also right, many guilty people tout their innocence profess to being framed, but so do people who are being framed.

  It’s kinda like an old saying, “Just because I think people are out to get me doesn’t mean they’re not!”

  I think they’re involved. But holding that as an opinion is far different then proclaiming it as fact.

  I think one of the most damning things we DO KNOW are true, is their “fleeing” Portugal the way they did. They have spent so much time talking about how they’d never leave till they found her. They are named as suspects and they’re done? Not evidence, but it doesn’t look good.

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:27 pm

  stupidppl, I did do some research on starting a company in the UK, the UK is ALOT like the United States in alot of things it does, with a few exceptions. I went to the site:

  http://www.start.biz/nationwide/faq.php

  Here’s what it states about a Limited Company, which is what the mccanns started with the fund for maddie (all of this is quotes from the site):

  “Limited Companies FAQ’s - Limited liability can protect the owner of a company from personal loss or even bankruptcy, which a sole trader could not avoid.

  Q WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF LIMITED LIABILITY?

  Limited Liability protects the owner of a Limited Company from personal loss as the company is a separate entity and hence has its own profits and debts - i.e. any debts incurred would be the company’s debts and not the individuals. This is unlike the owner of a business as his business debts would in fact be his personal debts.

  Q CAN I FORM A LIMITED COMPANY AND TRADE USING A DIFFERENT NAME?

  Yes, although it may be wise to protect your trading name using our Business Names Registration service before commencing business so as not to infringe on an existing trading name and to ensure protection for your name for the future.

  Q CAN I FORM A LIMITED COMPANY AND LEAVE IT DORMANT UNTIL I WISH TO TRADE?

  Yes, once the company is formed and the Directors/Secretary are in place, the company can remain dormant until you need it. However, on the anniversary of its incorporation you must file an annual return and nil accounts (”nil” if it has never traded) with Companies House. You must also remember to keep Companies House informed of any changes within the infrastructure of the company as they happen e.g. if there are changes in Directorship or Registered office. This requirement is also the same for companies that are trading and we can assist you with these ongoing matters

  Q WHAT OFFICIAL DETAILS AND PERSONNEL DO I NEED IN ORDER TO FORM A LIMITED COMPANY?

  To form your company, the minimum requirements are as follows:- You will need at least one director and one company secretary and at least one shareholder, a UK registered office address (or it can be your home address although, by law you must display a company nameplate at the premises). We can supply a company secretary and our prestige registered office address. (thisi s probably why they have had to consult with the director of the “fund” to use the funds in the account for hiring their attornies, etc!)

  Q WHAT ARE THE COSTS INVOLVED (to start the limited company)?

  To set up a new company or to purchase one of our brand new readymade companies costs £125 inc. of VAT and full company kit.

  Q HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE (to start the limited company)?

  To form a new company takes 1 day, our readymade companies are available immediately.

  Now, this is just one site that helps start a limited company in the UK. Let me go see what it says now about starting a fund for a missing child!

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:36 pm

  Susan From that same first link you posted;

  It became clear last night that although Portuguese police are confident they have an adequate case, based on DNA samples, serious doubts are emerging about the evidence.

  Sources close to the British police drafted into the inquiry said that the new forensic evidence relating to the McCanns’ holiday apartment is “far from conclusive”.

  AND;

  A question mark has also been placed against the first tranche of test results, which led to the allegation that blood was found in the boot of the couple’s Renault Scenic hire car.

  It is simply not certain, in fact, that it was blood.

  The Mail on Sunday understands that the sample is so minute that it has been categorised by forensic scientists in Birmingham as “low copy number DNA” and, again, unlikely to be of much value as evidence.

  AND;

  the article, near the end, suggests that it is the Portugal police leaking information. This is a concern for me for a few reasons. First, the britts are saying that the DNA evidence is sketchy and not in large enough quantity to really be sure it IS what they think it is and the Portugal police don’t seem to care. Second, they’re under huge amounts of pressure to close this case. It behooves them to (illegally) leak this information as it really puts pressure on these people. That (in my mind) deteriorates their credibility as well as the credibility of the “rumors” you’re hearing in the media that stem from them.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:41 pm

  I can see why they may choose to do a limited company *the US equivillant of a limited liability company (LLC)*

  That protects their personal assets from company debt.

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:45 pm

  to comment real quick on my limited corporation post, it sounds like this to me: if the mccanns used all the money in the fund for whatever purposes and the fund was to go bankrupt, it sounds to me as if they can’t personally be held reponsible for any money owed. Therefore, they can travel with the funds, use the funds for attorney’s to defend themselves, etc, if the directors approve it, which then means anyone who has donated money to that fund are basically out of the money they donated for the purposes of looking for maddie! How convient for the mccanns then, that they haven’t had to use any of their own personal money to find their daughter, all the time they’ve spent in portugal, away from their jobs, the money spent on their housing, food, transportation needs while in portugal were all paid for by those funds, apparently they haven’t had to spend much of their money for thier mistake of leaving their children alone! Also, be sure to read the comments to the news article posts that are under the articles at the links I’ve posted, alot of mixed feelings there from the Brits themselves, many of whom have donated money to the fund and feel that their money should not be going for the mccanns personal use to defend themselves, etc! You mention they traveled to find their daughter…..BULL! There were no claims that maddie was seen with the pope, and yet they traveled several times to meet with him, there was no claims that maddie was seen in New York, here in the states, and yet gerry traveled here to supposedly meet with missing kids people here in the states. I haven’t seen anything that states they traveled to spain where she was reported seen, etc! Also, you mentioned the Smarts, and you stated they were rich people who paid for their own search, THEY PAID FOR IT OUT OF THEIR POCKET! If any funds were set up for their daughter or for the aid in finding her, it was done through others who had no personal connections to the family! The family paid for EVERYTHING with their own money, not with donated funds! So you kind of contradict yourself by using the Smarts as an example! Yes, I understand that you would want your child’s picture posted everywhere, etc, BUT, look at how many children go missing on a daily basis, the BIGGEST majority of these children from poor areas, where the families don’t have deep pockets, so then that would lead one to ask…why are the rich kids more important then the poor kids? Even parents who have children who’ve been shaken don’t receive all the publicity, donations, etc, that a select few receive, why? My daughter comes up missing, who’s going to help me go on a worldwide campaign to find her, who’s going to set up funds for my daughter to help in paying for all those expenses? Probably no one, because she’s just a normal child like all the other children who come up missing! Yes, I’m glad the rich are able to go to such extremes to find their children and have the deep pockets to do so, but aren’t ALL children just as important and deserve the same “treatment” in being found? Guess not in this country, again, screw the poor right? A poor person’s child means nothing to know one but the parents apparently, how sad!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:47 pm

  oh and what company holds fundraisers for their own companies benefit? Not any I know of! Usually if a company has a fundraiser it’s for a nonprofit organization, and nonprofit, fund type organizations hold fundraisers becasue that’s where they get the biggest chunk of their funds from!

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:09 pm

  Susan, has anything been said about where her body might be? I feel the McCanns are guilty, but that’s the one piece I can’t figure out - how they could have disposed of her body using that rental car 25 days after she went missing when there was so much police and media attention focused on them. And where was her body hidden until then? Makes me think they MUST have had help.

  And of course they seem to have no lack of “friends” and family speaking on their behalf. Every other news story quotes a different family member, friend or “spokesperson.”

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:11 pm

  well so far, I’ve been able to find about voluntary organizations (which is the term for nonprofit organizations in the UK), I found this link:

  http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/26739243/

  It’s an organization that’s already established in the UK for helping people find their missing loved ones, it even provides these services:

  A national 24-hour telephone helpline for missing people and their families.
  Practical help, such as Street Contacts who look for vulnerable missing people.
  Publicity in the media: on radio, TV and Teletext, in newspapers, The Big Issue and on milk cartons.
  A national computerised register of missing people.
  A service which uses ‘age progression’ software to update photographs of people missing for years

  So again, much like the United States, there are organizations already set up to help find missing children/people, and I’m sure this organization would help the mccanns set up a “fund” to assist in looking for maddie, so no need for a limited company being established! Just my opinion!

• Kathy
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:19 pm

  Hopefully all of the peopole who donated read this part of the site…it spells it out in plain english. All caps emphasis is mine.

  “Frequently Asked Questions
  *What are the objects of Madeleine’s Fund?

  Madeleine’s fund is a NON-CHARITABLE NOT-FOR-PROFIT company, which has been established to help find Madeleine McCann, to support her family, and to bring her abductors to justice. Any SURPLUS funds will be used to help families and missing children in the United Kingdom, Portugal and elsewhere in similar circumstances.

  The full objects of the Fund are:

  To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;

  To procure that Madeleine’s abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and

  TO PROVIDE SUPPORT, INCLUDING FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, TO MADELEINE’S FAMILY.

  IF THE ABOVE OBJECTS ARE FULFILLED THEN the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.

  Is Madeleine’s Fund a registered charity?

  No, Madeleine’s Fund is registered as a company limited by guarantee. Its company registration number is 6248215.

  What are the registered details of the Madeleine’s Fund?

  Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited is a company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales, CRN 6248215. Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited PO Box 53133 London, E18 2YR

  Why is Madeleine’s Fund not registered as a charity?

  In England & Wales, registered charities are required to demonstrate public benefit. Because Madeleine’s Fund is currently focussed on searching for one child, Madeleine McCann, it cannot register as a charity. However, it may be able to register as a charity in the future.

  At the point the Fund starts to focus on abductions generally, public benefit may be demonstrable and the Fund may be able to register as a charity.”

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:29 pm

  Ihavekids…no, that’s still the mystery I guess. I have two ideas (my thoughts) on the issue of where her body is….first off, I think a friend or family member helped them dispose of her body, since all media attention is on them, of course no one is going to notice what the friends and family are doing in the background! So, I think they could have told the friend or family member who helped dispose of the body to dispose of it, but not tell them where she is for now, so their alibis of not knowing where she is “true”, they could pass a lie detector test stating they don’t know where she is because they don’t know! Considerig they have suddenly scurried back to the UK, I think she may be buried somewhere in the UK, that’s why I think authorities need to search the properties of theirs, their families and friends, with them being doctors, first off, I’m sure they have the knowledge of how to “dress” a decomposing body for some kind of unnoticable transportation (and her body was small enough to conceal inside a bag easily, she didn’t weigh much either!), if they don’t have the knowledge, I’m sure someone could have provided them with that info! Second, all the attention has been focused in portugal, NOT in the UK, so no one has even considered looking there for her body! I think the location of where she’s buried would be revealed (if it hasn’t now already been) to them at a later date, when the heat was off of them, etc. Remember…one of their male friends supposedly checked on the mccann kids during the time she “disappeared”, and AT THE SAME TIME he was checking on them, one of their own friends sitting with them at the resturant stated she saw a man carrying what looked like a small child in a blanket…..could this be the smoking gun?

  Something else you pointed out….they have a neverending supply of family and friends speaking on their behalf now suddenly. Where have these people been during the search? If they have such a large support group among their friends and family, common sense says that those same friends and family would also pitch in money to assist in looking for her, again, no need for a company to be formed!

  Also, the police were notified and arrived within an hour, hour and a half after she went “missing”? That seems a little strange as well, because when the police arrived, the mccanns and their friends were all in the room, with inn staff, etc, there as well, why weren’t any of the mccanns or family members out looking around the area for her? Seems to me they would have been running up and down the streets calling her name, not sitting in the room! And, I’m not sure how the police works there, but in most places, a person has to be missing for more than an hour, hour and a half before such media outbreaks take place, but the media outbreak in this case was instantanous, almost as if the mccanns contacted the news media after hanging up with the police! And why would the “abductor” take maddie, she was sleeping inbetween the twins, I would think the “abductor” would take one of the smaller kids who wouldn’t be able to struggle as much, etc! All of the pictures I have seen in the media has shown mostly gerry and kate, nothing with the twins at the beach with them playing, etc, EVERY picture I have seen of the twins they look half asleep and not very responsive (children that age would be excited looking around at all the people giving them attention!), whether it’s during the day or at night, even when there has been a pic of one of the kids looking around, the kid almost looks lathargic, someone should tests those twins for drugs in their systems as well!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:39 pm

  LOL thank you Kathy, you brought up some very good points with that……the mccanns state it’s a not-for-profit organization, but yet aren’t considered a charity? uh, aren’t charity’s not-for-profit? They contradict themselves by saying their not-for-company but then are a registered limited company for profit! I’m glad someone else also sees the flaws in their “ways” of trying to disquise their deceit to the public!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:41 pm

  stupidppl, read this article, it’s today’s newest article!

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  It just now contradicts some of the other articles and gives more of a clearer picture, it wasn’t blood that was found, it was fluid that is excreted from a discomposing body! And, there was substantial amounts of hair found, not just a few strands!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:48 pm

  Oh, something else, at first gerry and kate were such a tight couple when this started, THEN, trouble between them was being reported, they were going to church separetly, etc, there was talk that their relationship was being heavily stressed (this was just as fingers were slowly starting to point in their direction, the attention was slowly starting to shift), NOW all of a sudden, their supposedly tight again? Seems strange, because a couple who are innocent would be strong the entire time together, wouldn’t be talking about splitting up, needing time away from each other, etc, in fact, they would become closer, UNLESS one of the people in the couple had something to do with the child’s “disappearance”! Seems strange to me as well!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 4:01 pm

  stupidppl, this is for you:

  Another article posted today:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481177&in_page_id=1811

  In this article, I brings up some good points…first of all, why didn’t the mccanns hire a private detective right off the bat to start searching for maddie, considering they have stated numerous times that they have no confidence in the police? In the article it states:
  “The former cabinet minister said on his blog that Gerry and Kate McCann had fallen victim to the “modern disease of fighting battles through the media instead of people getting on and doing their jobs diligently”.

  He added: “Maybe the McCanns should employ a private detective rather than a spin doctor, to find evidence of the abduction they are sure happened and the trail to her present whereabouts.”

  Last night Mr Redwood said he bore no ill will towards the couple. “I didn’t mean to be hurtful.

  “I was trying to be helpful.

  “Given that the police inquiry in Portugal seems to be based on something other than abduction, it would be helpful to the McCanns to prove it was abduction.”

  The article also, YET ONCE AGAIN, has GERRY expressing HIS AND KATE’s thought about each other’s innocence, etc. Gerry does ALL the talking, kate very rarely says anything (sounds like John and Patsy Ramsy!), and all gerry has done on the find maddie site is talk about himself, his AND kate’s feelings, etc, why can’t kate speak for herself? Shes supposed to be such a successful, respected doctor, does she not know how to speak for herself? Here’s the only comment, by one of their own fellow Brits, that was made to this article:

  “This man never talks about the anguish, despair or terror his daughter may be facing-his blog is all about him and his feelings and where he’s been and what he’s done-if he wants the public to maintain any sympathy or support for himself and his wife he should spend some of his blog ensuring that he reminds people of the person Madeleine is- the innocence, the cute little things she does, the funny things she has said-his entire focus is just wrong-the campaign should be about Madeleine- not how far her parents bloody jogged last week!

  - Dawn, England”

  I have to agree with this person, read the online diary of gerry’s at the maddie site, there is no talk about maddie, I’ve read them, he talks about his trips, what they did during that day, etc, there is no talk of maddie and who she was, etc, he even talks about the kids at her school on what would have been her first day at school, but there isn’t much “emotion” expressed in what he says, and he doesn’t talk about what maddie would have worn that day, etc, he does not talk about maddie on this site like a parent who truely “misses” their “lost” child! He “talks” like a person trying to prove their every move so no one doubts what their doing or their involvement!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 4:02 pm

  he doesn’t mention the twins much at all as well!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 4:04 pm

  Oh and he also “speaks” like a person trying to justify how the money is being spent from the fund!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 5:17 pm

  I’d also like to comment on the fact that the mccanns keep saying they have nothing to do with her disappearance, as stated here:

  http://www.findmadeleine.com/

  gerry puts in his blog “We have absolute confidence that, when all of the facts are presented together, we will be able to demonstrate that we played absolutely no part in Madeleines abduction.”

  They keep saying they had nothing to do with her disappearance/abduction….the thing is, they are also being blamed for her possible death, but yet they keep insisting they had nothing to do with her disappearance, they don’t state anything about her death! Like I said earlier, no, they probably don’t know where maddie’s body is, someone else disposed of it for them and hasn’t told them yet where she is, so yes, their right, they had nothing to do with her “disappearance” from the room and where her remains are at this time. BUT, they have not once stated they didn’t have anything to do with her possible death! Why would you keep enforcing the fact you had nothing to do with her disppearance only, wouldnt you be trying to defend yourself on ALL allegations being thrown your way? Another strange thing to me! Give them a lie detector test….I bet they answer truthful to not having anything to do with her “ABDUCTION” or DISAPPEARANCE FROM THE ROOM, but I bet they would greatly fail other crucial parts about her possible death and a coverup of that death! Maybe these are the questions gerry has refused to answer for the police, and it would explain why he gets so angry when people question him concerning these points!

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 5:23 pm

  Wow can you write a novel!!! I had to make notes as i read your most recent posts!

  OK for starters…
  I have only read of one visit with the Pope, not several. As “good catholics” I don’t see that as inappropriate. I also found no information as to whether that trip was paid for by them or from their fund. In addition, there was no information I found that states whether they were there looking for Madelaine or possibly on a religious sabbatical.

  I also don’t object to their meeting with “missing kid people” in the states. If my child were missing I would explore every possible resource to find them. These agencies are experts at finding lost children.

  I also never said that the Smart’s paid for their search efforts. I honestly don’t know who paid for it. I could be wrong, but seem to remember a fund. You don’t know whether they set it up or someone did on their behalf. You’re making (more) assumptions on that one.

  My point with the Smart’s was that they kept their faces and name in the media. You couldn’t forget who she was. That is (in large part) why they found her. Not because her parents had money, but because her parents had the knowledge, expertise and resources to keep the media talking about their daughter.

  I am poor, and trust me, if my kid came up missing, I’d make sure she stayed in the media. Your kid will get the attention that you create. You might have to be more creative being poor, but you can do it.

  They had a great explanaition for registering as a company instead of a charity. They (currently) aren’t of any benefit to their community, the fund was created to find their kid and help them with related expenses. I find nothing inappropriate with what they’ve done there. The intentions for the money have been well disclosed (IMHO).

  Many companies do self serving fund raisers. They just don’t call them fundraisers. There are plenty of “marathon’s” on in the middle of the night, but they’re not “not for profit” so they’re called infomercials instead. there are also fundraisers every freakin weekend at the mall here. They’re called clearance sales, or end of summer sales, or going out of business sales.

  Do you really think those sales are to help YOU? No, they’re to make more money (raise funds) for the companies holding the sales. Those are a LITTLE morehonest tho, as you get something to take home in addition to your receipt.

  If they did it, where’d they hide the body for 25 days? I’ve heard it said they’re a bit confused on that part, cuz a 25 day old, decomposing body would fucking stink. They say the trunk should still stink of the body was in there.

  So you think they smuggled her dead, decomposing corpse, in a luggage back, thru customs, to the UK? Now that’s a stretch. I guess it’s possible, but seems VERY unlikely.

  Maybe their formation of a company came about because their wealthy friends made donations to them and they wanted to be able to account for it and manage it. That way people don’t sit and suggest they’re misusing it. They can show where the money’s gone. I don’t see that as unreasonable.

  They also couldn’t register as a charity. read the post above about the brittish requirements for not for profit organizations…

  I have seen many a strong couple torn apart over the loss of a child. Due to sids, illness, abduction, whatever the cause. Just because they’re hot and cold doens’t imply anything.

  I think, Susan, that you should remember that not everyone is like you. We/they don’t all deal with stress the same way. Some people suffer quietly inside while other’s rage against the machine. We’re all individuals.

  I have read the blog, and there seems to be a focus on the process. Maybe it’s hard for him to think about what Madelaine could be going thru (if he is innocent) or maybe you’re right, and he’s just covering his ass. How do you know which it is???

  I know if I had been given $2 MILLION dollars by the public I’d feel obligated to justify or account for where it’s gone. I am not sure I have issue with the presentation of his blog. Maybe the pupropose of his blog isn’t to talk about the possibly sad/disgusting things his kid is going thru. Maybe he’s tryingto let people who care know that the rest of them are ok.

  Kate doesn’t speak for herself…
  maybe she’s quiet, maybe she’s innocent but very upset about her leaving her child alone, maybe she’s guilty and smart enough to shut the hell up, maybe she’s going out of her mind right now and has nothing to say.

  I don’t feel like she owes me anything and i think it’s pretty messed up for that to be held against her. What obligation does she have to any of us? The only ones I feel she has an obligation to are her children and spouse.

  and finally, to address the last article you posted. I think you should read more carefully. You read way too much into what you’re reading and you take it all as fact. The reason the information is so contradictory is that no one knows for sure. the Portugal police have released so little information that most of what we talk about is speculation.

  nowhere in the article does it say that it was fluids from a decomposing body. It also states that they’re only 88% sure they have a match.

  FROM THE ARTICLE:
  The sample of bodily fluid allegedly found in the McCanns’ hired Renault Scenic was taken from the boot, where the spare tyre is kept, and had an 88 per cent match with the missing four-year-old’s DNA, sources said.

  AND ALSO:
  “If the hair shows signs of decomposition that means it was in the scalp as the body was decomposing and that would be particularly significant.

  “Hair which is pulled from the scalp or cut while the person is alive does not decompose.”

  The decomposition marks the hair with a dark band at the scalp which can easily be seen under a microscope.

  Now, for the record, I say again I THINK they’re probably involved. The information is just not solid enough yet and I think people should be very careful about making assumptions based on information that can’t be verified.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 5:29 pm

  I don’t believe the Smart’s ever discussed Elizabeth’s possible death, as they believed her to be alive. We thought they were fruit loopy. Three months into it and I think most of us around here were thinking, “those poor people just can’t accept…”

  The thing that first clued the police into what Susan Smith did to her children was her referring to them in the past tense.

  I don’t think this most recent point of yours is valid at all. If anything it would speak to their innocence. It is normal psychology for them to refer to her abduction despite what the speculation is. It’s what a “normal” person would generally (not always but generally) do, and I guess it is also how a smart, guilty person would handle it.

  So, we come full circle.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 5:34 pm

  88% By the way is nowhere near enough to make ANYONE a baby’s daddy ;o)

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 6:24 pm

  stupidppl, first off, you stated about elizabeth smart’s family…..”Her parents are some of the wealthiest here.” That suggests to me that they are rich on their own accord, separate from any funds, etc, set up to help?

  Read this article:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481163&in_page_id=1811

  it talks about how even kate mccann has stated “Kate McCann is also said to believe that the DNA evidence, on which the case against the McCanns appears to hang, has been placed there in a bid to frame them for Madeleine’s murder.” This article also talks about how the mccanns phone calls, emails, etc, have been tapped and read by police, and if I remember correctly, about a month or so ago there was something that was said in an email from gerry to a friend of theirs that was kind of damning towards them and maddie’s “disappearance”. Even on their blog, gerry states they left at 7am in the morning to head back to the UK, and yet witnesses have stated that it was midnight that they left for the airport, in a tourist town, why would they need to leave at midnight for a 7am flight? I’m not sure where the airport is compared to where they were staying, but getting to the airport roughly 6 hours early for a morning flight? Seems strange as well!

  Also, who’s to say the person disposing of her body flew back to anywhere with it? The mccanns themselves even complained about how the traffic going in and out of the area was not monitored, cars were not searched properly, etc, No, they didn’t hide the body in the car for 25 days, I think the body was put in the car the night she “disappeared”, that the person seen carrying the small child wrapped in a blanket was also the friend who was supposedly checking the mccann kids at the time she “disappeared”, and considering the media wasn’t watching them so closely for the first few days, the body could have already left the area and been moved somewhere else. But, I have not heard anything about witnesses stating anything about maddie BEFORE that night, how do we know she was even alive that night, she could have already been “dead” days even before that night, after all, the blood that was found in the room…how was it cleaned up already so quickly by the time the police were called onsite? Maybe that’s why the body was moved the night she “disappeared”, because the body was already starting to decompose, and even though she may not have been in the car long enough to completely smell it up, it’s possible that the fluids still seeped out! (these are my thoughts, again, we’re here to discuss this, I’m not saying this is fact, I never have said that, but I am entitled to my opinion!)

  As far as accounting for what the funds have been used for, and considering this was set up as a company, gerry is not one of the directors, therefore, he would not be able to really speak about where the funds in this account were going! Thats the directors job, so if anyone is doubting where the money is going, then they would need to follow proper procedure to get that information, after all, gerry has had to consult with the directors to get permission to use the money for their legal expenses! I still don’t buy why they were set up as a FOR PROFIT limited company, when they state they are a nonprofit “charity”. Okay, so they couldn’t consider themselves a charity, no of course not, but they could still classify this “company” as a nonprofit organization, OR they could have went through the other numerous agencies set up in Britain to maintain a trust fund type of thing for helping to find maddie!

  The fact that your calling clearance sales and the like as fundraisers is really silly! Thats like trying to compare apples to oranges!

  a “clearance sale” is defined as: noun 1, clearance sale - a sale to reduce inventory, Noun 1. clearance sale - a sale to reduce inventory
  inventory-clearance sale
  cut-rate sale, sales event, sale - an occasion (usually brief) for buying at specially reduced prices; “they held a sale to reduce their inventory”; “I got some great bargains at their annual sale”
  (from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clearance+sale)

  a “fundraiser” is defined as: Noun 1. fundraiser - someone who solicits financial contributions
  canvasser, solicitor - a petitioner who solicits contributions or trade or votes, 2. fundraiser - a social function that is held for the purpose of raising money
  social function, social occasion, occasion, affair, function - a vaguely specified social event; “the party was quite an affair”; “an occasion arranged to honor the president”; “a seemingly endless round of social functions”
  (from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fundraiser)

  Granted, those terms can be “interepreted” many ways, but, they are clearly two different things and to be compared the way you’ve compared them is, as the mccanns would put it, ludicrous!

  You stated:
  “I don’t feel like she owes me anything and i think it’s pretty messed up for that to be held against her. What obligation does she have to any of us? The only ones I feel she has an obligation to are her children and spouse.”

  What obligation does she have?? Well first off, she left her children alone, and then she AND her husband have hit the media, asking for donations, etc, to help find their daughter. I think she has a BIG obligation to the public, since she has put herself in the public eye, to speak for herself and give answers, why has she chosen gerry to do all the talking for her? Oh that’s right, she has admitted to giving her child sedatives, she has admitted to taking sedatives herself for a mental problem (if she has this “mental problem” and has to keep herself sedated, how is it she is still practicing medicine then?), she hasnt gone on most of the trips with her husband…wouldn’t she go and be heavily involved as well, except for when they went and saw the pope (and as soon as I find the information I read regarding the two times they went and saw the pope, I will post it). She has always made sure her face is right there in the press, so we can’t say it’s because she’s at the residence with the twins, obviously from their own accord family is living in the area (gerry states on his blog they dropped the twins off and they spent the day going through emails, etc, where did they drop the kids off at….oh thats right, in the same blog entries he states one post that they had taken the kids to an aunts house one day, oh so they have family that live in the area maddie came up missing from?). She AND gerry both owe the public some explanations, they are the ones that has brought this to everyone’s attention, and yet she has been quiet from the beginning! And yet she owes no one anything except her kids and spouse? Maybe she should have thought about all of that before she left her kids alone that night, etc!

  Obviously they are quickly updating these articles, because this article:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  posted at Last updated at 00:54am on 12th September 2007 (yes, britain is quite a few hours ahead of us!), that article now states:
  Ten-volume dossier of ‘evidence’ handed to Portuguese judge
  • ‘There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot’
  • Police theory that body was hidden in village in first few weeks
  • Bodily fluids found in the car match Madeleine’s DNA
  • Parents could be summoned to Portugal and placed under house arrest

  “Detectives allege that Mrs McCann was involved in the deliberate or accidental death of Madeleine, and that her husband disposed of the body.

  Their evidence for those claims was detailed in the hefty dossier handed to public prosecutor Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses at lunchtime yesterday.”

  Although the file was quickly passed on to the judge to investigate, this in itself does not mean that charges are certain to be brought.

  Under the Portuguese justice system, the prosecutor needs a judge’s authorisation even to execute search warrants, to order more searches, or to change the status of the McCanns as formal suspects who have been allowed to leave the country.

  Legal experts told the Daily Mail that the couple’s status could be changed at any time to allow them to be summoned back and placed under house arrest.

  But indications last night were that police are convinced they already have enough evidence, even if they are ordered to conduct more searches, tests or interviews.

  Having passed the file to the judge, any request for search warrants or other investigations must now be made within ten days.

  However Portuguese journalists with contacts in the police said they expected action far sooner.

  They suggested police are itching for permission to search certain specific locations - which they have identified from secretly monitoring the McCanns’ phones.

  It is understood they need a judge’s permission before acting on information obtained from a phone tap, and that one of the requests made by the prosecutor to the judge is “urgent” and has to be answered in 24 hours.

  Portuguese sources believe this request to be either a search warrant or an order to seize an “object”.

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 6:25 pm

  stupidppl, first off, you stated about elizabeth smart’s family…..”Her parents are some of the wealthiest here.” That suggests to me that they are rich on their own accord, separate from any funds, etc, set up to help?

  Read this article:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481163&in_page_id=1811

  it talks about how even kate mccann has stated “Kate McCann is also said to believe that the DNA evidence, on which the case against the McCanns appears to hang, has been placed there in a bid to frame them for Madeleine’s murder.” This article also talks about how the mccanns phone calls, emails, etc, have been tapped and read by police, and if I remember correctly, about a month or so ago there was something that was said in an email from gerry to a friend of theirs that was kind of damning towards them and maddie’s “disappearance”. Even on their blog, gerry states they left at 7am in the morning to head back to the UK, and yet witnesses have stated that it was midnight that they left for the airport, in a tourist town, why would they need to leave at midnight for a 7am flight? I’m not sure where the airport is compared to where they were staying, but getting to the airport roughly 6 hours early for a morning flight? Seems strange as well!

  Also, who’s to say the person disposing of her body flew back to anywhere with it? The mccanns themselves even complained about how the traffic going in and out of the area was not monitored, cars were not searched properly, etc, No, they didn’t hide the body in the car for 25 days, I think the body was put in the car the night she “disappeared”, that the person seen carrying the small child wrapped in a blanket was also the friend who was supposedly checking the mccann kids at the time she “disappeared”, and considering the media wasn’t watching them so closely for the first few days, the body could have already left the area and been moved somewhere else. But, I have not heard anything about witnesses stating anything about maddie BEFORE that night, how do we know she was even alive that night, she could have already been “dead” days even before that night, after all, the blood that was found in the room…how was it cleaned up already so quickly by the time the police were called onsite? Maybe that’s why the body was moved the night she “disappeared”, because the body was already starting to decompose, and even though she may not have been in the car long enough to completely smell it up, it’s possible that the fluids still seeped out! (these are my thoughts, again, we’re here to discuss this, I’m not saying this is fact, I never have said that, but I am entitled to my opinion!)

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 6:26 pm

  As far as accounting for what the funds have been used for, and considering this was set up as a company, gerry is not one of the directors, therefore, he would not be able to really speak about where the funds in this account were going! Thats the directors job, so if anyone is doubting where the money is going, then they would need to follow proper procedure to get that information, after all, gerry has had to consult with the directors to get permission to use the money for their legal expenses! I still don’t buy why they were set up as a FOR PROFIT limited company, when they state they are a nonprofit “charity”. Okay, so they couldn’t consider themselves a charity, no of course not, but they could still classify this “company” as a nonprofit organization, OR they could have went through the other numerous agencies set up in Britain to maintain a trust fund type of thing for helping to find maddie!

  The fact that your calling clearance sales and the like as fundraisers is really silly! Thats like trying to compare apples to oranges!

  a “clearance sale” is defined as: noun 1, clearance sale - a sale to reduce inventory, Noun 1. clearance sale - a sale to reduce inventory
  inventory-clearance sale
  cut-rate sale, sales event, sale - an occasion (usually brief) for buying at specially reduced prices; “they held a sale to reduce their inventory”; “I got some great bargains at their annual sale”
  (from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clearance+sale)

  a “fundraiser” is defined as: Noun 1. fundraiser - someone who solicits financial contributions
  canvasser, solicitor - a petitioner who solicits contributions or trade or votes, 2. fundraiser - a social function that is held for the purpose of raising money
  social function, social occasion, occasion, affair, function - a vaguely specified social event; “the party was quite an affair”; “an occasion arranged to honor the president”; “a seemingly endless round of social functions”
  (from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fundraiser)

  Granted, those terms can be “interepreted” many ways, but, they are clearly two different things and to be compared the way you’ve compared them is, as the mccanns would put it, ludicrous!