Parents Behaving Badly

203 opinions for British Couple Kate and Gerry McCann Named as Suspects in Daughter’s Death

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 9, 2007 at 5:36 am

  What a suprise. Did anyone NOT know they were responsible?

• Susan
  Sep 9, 2007 at 6:01 am

  Can I get a VERY LOUD AMEN???? I’m so overwhlemed with joy that it has finally been shown that they had something to do with all of this! YYYYAAAAAAHHHHHHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! To all of those here who doubted my posts concerning this case, got mad at me for posting updates and my thoughts, all I have to say is….IN YOUR FACE!! OH MY GOSH I AM SO EXCITED THAT THE TRUTH IS FINALLY COMING OUT ON THIS!!!! I have been following this case VERY closely and have said ALL ALONG that these two had something to do with it all, even with the meds!!!! No wonder they are so quick to want to go home now! I have been bashed on so many others sites, even the UK site that has been reporting daily on this case, and if my posts there even got posted it was usually posted with half of my remarks AGAINST these two removed and made to sound nice!! I hope now that these two have to pay back ALL of the money they have gotten from donations, AND I hope their friends who were with them ALSO get charged in all of this! REST IN PEACE MADDIE, JUSTICE IS FINALLY BEING SERVED FOR YOU SWEETHEART!!!! OMG OMG OMG I’M SO EXCITED THAT THE TRUTH IS FINALLY OUT!! I’M DANCING ALL OVER THE HOUSE THAT THESE TWO HAVE FINALLY BEEN CAUGHT IN THEIR OWN LIES!!! I do regret that poor Maddie has had to pay the ultimate price, but she can now rest assured that her siblings will have a brighter future away from these two drug giving “doctors” who aren’t fit to be parents! OMG OMG OMG!! On the Jon Benet case…daddy did it, and the sooner the truth comes out the better on that story as well!!! HALLELUYAH THANK YOU LORD FOR FINALLY BRINGING THE TRUTH OUT IN THIS CASE! ROT IN HELL MCCANNS!!!! WWWWOOOOOOHHHHHOOOOOO!!!!!

• Susan
  Sep 9, 2007 at 6:24 am

  Here’s a link to the latest “update”

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=480801&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  Kate mccann is now trying to say that the police forced her into a confession, and they are now trying to say that the portugal police messed up the investigation so badly that they are being wrongly accused to cover up for the police’s mistakes! What a load of BULL!! THE MCCANNS are the ones that “soiled” the crime scene before the police even arrived by allowing all these people from the inn, friends, etc, into the room, WHICH WAS JUST MORE OF THE MCCANNS’ WAY OF TRYING TO COVER UP WHAT THEY DID (sounds like what happened with the ramseys!) Also, I think the friend who went and checked on maddie when she “came up missing”, is the same guy that someone stated they say carrying a small child wrapped in a blanket…..their friend was carrying her body to their car, put her body in their car trunk, then came back, after all, it gives the mccanns the aliby that they were sitting at the dinner table when she “came up missing”! And I find it ironic that they have scurried home, and this whole time they have said the portugal police have fouled up this case, and yet it was their own BRITISH labs that found maddies blood!!! OMG my heart is racing and I’m just so anxious for these two to be thrown in jail and everyone who assisted to be prosecuted as well, I stated on another site and here that I’m sure the mccanns will now receive a “mystery call” on where her body is, well, I’m sure it’s just a matter of time now before they find her little body, and where that location is will COME FROM HER TWO PARENTS!! They should also be charged with causing nationwide panic, etc, throw everything at them, don’t hold back!!! Now they’ve ran home and will have to be extradicted…saw that coming too! Maddie, there are those of us out here who have not once believed your parents story, who have felt they were more responsible for your “disappearance” then they claimed, and I’m sorry you had to pay the ultimate price in their stupid parenting ways! We dont know you maddie, and only have you in spirit, but with your guidance, we will make sure your parents pay for taking your innocent little life! Your a beautiful little girl, sorry your parents didn’t appreciate you more while you were here with us! Rest in peace Maddie, you’ll always be in our hearts!

• KTexas
  Sep 9, 2007 at 6:26 am

  It’s hard to know what happened here, IMO, since possibly the police work was bungled just like it was in the Jon Benet case. However, I sure can’t understand why they wouldn’t have gotten a sitter instead of leaving the kids alone in an unlocked apt. Wouldn’t that be easier for the kids and the adults if a hotel sitter was watching them? Why would the window be open if a potential predator could just walk right in the door? Why are there traces of blood if Maddy was killed by an overdose of medicine?

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 9, 2007 at 8:57 am

  KTexas, I’m surely no expert, but I’ve read that certain adult medicines, when given to a very small child like Maddie, and in high doses can cause hemoraging. It’s possible she could have been bleeding from her eyes, mouth or even ears. That could account for the presence of blood.

  Or, if we go with the theory that she died of an accidental overdose, it’s possible her doctor mother, when finding her body, performed some medical procedures in an effort to revive her. Maybe even an emergency tracheotomy to open an airway.

• KTexas
  Sep 9, 2007 at 9:40 am

  “…in high doses can cause hemorrhaging.”

  I didn’t know that. I wonder if she had any medical equipment with her or if it would be possible to use makeshift stuff. They always show somebody on TV opening an airway with an Xacto knife and just some handy-dandy tubing lying around. *rolls eyes*

  My thought had been that maybe Maddy was injured while by herself (if it wasn’t an intruder) and that might be the cause of the blood. Who knows.

• Susan
  Sep 9, 2007 at 2:56 pm

  First off, kate admits to taking sedatives herself (which could be what’s contributing to her “calm” demeanor now, she admits she’s had “mental problems”, and if you notice, dad has done most of the talking (like in the Jon Benet case!). It’s possible that mom was giving maddie a dose and also herself, and accidentally gave maddie HER adult dosage!

  Second, I think they had help disposing of her body, I think that will come out very soon now that there’s more questions being raised! After all, one of their friends with them that night stated she saw a guy walking away from that area with what looked like a small child wrapped in a blanket, this was suposedly around the time that their male friend had went to check on their kids, how did these two males pass each other and not notice each other, unless this is just a made up part of the story that instead of him checking on the kids, he was putting her body in their trunk, and now puts major dents in this guys alibi!

  Also, the mccanns were late that evening ariving at dinner, and witnesses have stated they seemed like they were “not their usual selves”. Everyone who thinks their innocent is saying “how could they have disposed of the body without someone noticing, when they were being watched 24/7″. Well first off, where were these friends during the time that maddie was found to be missing? We already know that the crime scene was compromised not by the police but by all the people from the inn and the mccanns friends who were in the room way before the police arrived who were searching for maddie before the police were involved. How do we know that while all these people were in the room, that one of their friends weren’t already disposing of the body? And if that’s not the case, how do we know that the mccanns didn’t drive their car somewhere, and while all attention was focused on them (leaving the car unattended and not watched), that a friend didn’t show up to dispose of the body then?

  I just feel really sorry for all the people that have been mislead through all of this, those that have donated money to the mccanns site (the mccanns started missingmaddie.com, not anyone else!) to help find maddie, etc. I hope that when this is all said and done, their assets are sold, so much of the money goes into a trust fund for the twins, and the rest goes to pay back what the mccanns have basically stolen from the public in donations! If there isn’t enough to cover the amount, then they have to pay it back. And, I think it’s sad the people who are still trying to make excuses for them and think their innocent! If I did something like this, I would be lucky to if my child got her picture on a milk carton, much less receive this much of worldwide attention!

• kiss-my-kitty.com » » Somehow, I am not surprised
  Sep 9, 2007 at 7:32 pm

  [...] surprisingly, it looks as though Madeline McCann’s parents may be guilty in her disappearance and possible death. How depressing. Really. If what is being speculated upon [...]

• Mamahood » Blog Archive » Madeline
  Sep 10, 2007 at 9:25 am

  [...] to parentsbehavingbadly.com, Madeline McCann’s parents, Gerry McCann and Kate McCann, have been named suspects in her [...]

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 11:53 am

  LATEST UPDATE ON MADDIE CASE!!!!

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  Title of the news article: “Madeleine: Full DNA match ‘proves body was in boot of McCanns’ hire car” OMG, it is now official!! The mccanns own british labs have proven that maddie was in their car trunk!!

  Here’s the main points of the article:
  • Police search McCann villa in fresh hunt for evidence
  • File outlining case against parents handed to prosecutor
  • Kate McCann told to ‘confess or lose the twins’ by police
  • Couple use lawyer who represented Chilean dictator General
  • Questions over using Madeleine fund money for legal fight

  Okay, I need to go cry now, this poor little girl, she didn’t deserve any of this! All because her parents wanted to have dinner! I think the twins should also be checked for sedation drugs in their systems, as well as evaluations done on them to make sure there are no residual side effects of being drugged as well. I said it before, I’ll say it again, ROT IN HELL KATE AND GERRY!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 11:56 am

  wow, look at both kate and gerry’s eyes in the pictures at that article, you can see the look of guilt, of being caught! The picture above them of Maddie is absolutely beautiful! Makes me cry just looking at her! Rest in peace sweetheart, this will all be over soon!

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 10, 2007 at 12:06 pm

  I think there’s a lot of assuming going on in this thread. I do however think that regardless of how she died/disappeared her parents are culpable. Two highly educated, world travelling, supposedly knowledgable human beings, PARENTS, left their 4 year old and their 2 year old twins sleeping while they went to dinner? Sedated or not that is just stupid, wrong, irresponsible, did I mention fucking stupid?

  Regardless of what happened to that little girl, those two get what they deserve.

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 12:11 pm

  Article about the mccanns using the “find madeliene” funds to “clear their name”

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=480963&in_page_id=1811&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 12:13 pm

  it’s not assumptions stupidppl, this stuff is all over the UK press, the portugal police are even asking that these two be arrested, the truth about her “disappearance” is now coming out, go to the links and read it yourself!

• Kathy
  Sep 10, 2007 at 12:30 pm

  I can’t find where it says that the British authorities did the forensic work. The Portugal police have messed up so badly, its hard for me to trust them.

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 1:28 pm

  here’s another news article concerning children services in the UK investigating the mccanns.

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=480931&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  Also, the portgal police got the British police involved, at the encouragement of the mccanns, etc. The British police are the ones that did the second DNA test that has now come back saying it was Maddie’s blood! It states in that same article link I just posted in this post:

  “Detectives claim tests by forensic scientists in Birmingham support the theory that she came to harm in the couple’s holiday apartment on the night of May 3″

  Honestly I don’t think the portugal police have botched much of anything, because it’s the mccanns that soiled the crime scene before police even arrived (they had tons of friends, inn staff, etc, already in the room when police arrived!), how can you say the police messed up so badly in portugal, when now even the British police are backing up what the portugal police have been showing?

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 1:29 pm

  the first DNA sampling that the portugal police did was turned over to the British police for further testing, results, etc, because the portugal police admitted they didn’t have the resources that the British police have to do full tests, etc, on the DNA samples!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 1:40 pm

  If anyone botched up or messed up in this case, it was the mccanns! THEY are the ones who have changed their stories, gerry has refused to answer certain police questions, gerry is the one that got mad and stormed out of an interview when a reporter asked him a few questions concerning what police were saying, the mccanns are the ones that said they would stay in portugal until this case was resolved and has now suddenly changed their minds and hurried back home, the mccanns are the ones that were quick to get the media heavily involved, started a website to gain support and donation money which they are now wanting to use to hire high priced attorneys to defend them, not to mention all of the trips they’ve taken to “speak out about missing children” using those same donations, the mccanns are then the ones that got so upset about the media being so heavily involved in this case, and guess what, all their efforts have backfired and instead of it distracting the publics attention away from THEIR crime concerning their daughter, it has now all circled back to them! At one point, when they werent supposed to be talking about the case, gerry mccann himself was posting on the maddie site information about investigations, not tons of details, but trying to “correct” (or maybe defend himself?) what he said was wrong, and for the longest time only the mccanns would talk about what happened, they wouldn’t allow ANY of their friends or family to speak for them. Now all of sudden, their family is speaking for them, in fact, I just watched this morning on one of those good morning america type of shows and interview that was done with John Mccann, Maddie’s uncle, he himself was trying to peace together what to say on their behalf, in fact, at one point he said he ws detached from the whole situation and wasn’t sure what was really going on, and wasn’t even that close to Maddie and what was going on with her before she went “missing”. WTF? Now we have family members trying to profit in some way from the lime light as well? And, I’ve noticed that the cat doll that maddie loved so much has suddenly disappeared from kate’s hands and is no longer showing up in all the pics like it used to, what happened suddenly to this doll? Maybe this doll had more evidence on it, and with kate toting it everywhere, she was hoping there wouldn’t be any evidence left on it, so could it be that the police in Birmingham now have this doll for further testing? It will definitely be interesting to see how this all comes out now!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 1:49 pm

  And, the mccanns are the ones who started this whole “the police botched everything” campaign when things started pointing back at them. Think about it, who’s usually the very FIRST suspects in any missing child case??? The parents and immediate family/friends! In this case, the parents weren’t investigated first, no, some other guy was dragged through the dirt as a suspect, then finally cleared, and suddenly, as things started to point to the mccanns, the mccanns suddenly turned on the police and started this “I’m being framed” and “they messed up” defense! Thing is, if they were so convinced that the police in portugal couldn’t handle this case, they should have said something sooner, but no, they kept going along supporting the police until the finger started pointing back at them! In fact, gerry and kate wanted to be THE FIRST ONES to hear about ANY results of any tests, evidence, etc, before anybody else found out, now um, if your innocent and have done no wrong, why would you want to “filter” the info like that unless your just trying to keep the negative implications off yourself or bracing yourself to find out your a major suspect and might get caught in what you did? This whole thing with these parents has been fishy from the beginning, and suddenly now they scurry home and want to start a “normal, quiet life” for their twins? Again, WTF?? The twins weren’t seen with them much over the last several months, and suddenly now that the finger is pointing at them, they want to pull out and live a normal life? Gerry hasn’t posted anyting new on the maddie site since 9/6, I doubt we’ll hear anymore from him on that site now!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 1:55 pm

  Question, why is it so hard for anyone to believe that they may have accidentally killed their daughter and have tried to cover it up with an abduction story? Why?? Is it because they seemed sincere in their pleas for help? Is it because their doctors and no one thinks their capable of doing something like this? They obviously don’t make very good parenting decisions considering they’ve admitted to leaving their 3 children alone EVERY NIGHT while on vacation alone in the room while they went and had dinner, danced, competed in competitions, etc, hell even their friends on holiday with them admitted to leaving their children alone each night as well, not for half an hour, but for SEVERAL HOURS! If they can make those kinds of bad parenting choices (while in a country new to them, without getting a babysitting service each night, which was available by the inn they stated at, and their both doctor’s and could easily afford to do so), then why is it so hard for someone to believe that they could have given maddie a fatal dose of sedative, tried to save her, and then had the body disposed of and say an abduction happened? People amaze me with what they will accept and at the same time turn their cheek on!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 2:05 pm

  From the same article above as well it states:

  “But sources close to the inquiry pointed out that the tests, at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, had been checked extensively and were based on a detailed assessment by some of the world’s leading experts. They accused critics of a lack of knowledge about the case.”

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 2:08 pm

  It also states:
  “Significantly, sources also pointed out that the extensive forensic testing in the McCanns’ Mark Warner apartment had found no evidence of any other person being present on the night of her disappearance”

  Then it continues:
  “”The facts are that the people carrying out these tests are highly trained professionals who are extremely skilled at understanding the material, and everything they do, they double and triple check.

  “A lot of very detailed work has gone on and although it is a very complex area, there is full confidence in what has been sent to Portugal.”"

  “The Daily Mail has learned that Portuguese police believe the forensic tests carried out by British experts support their theory that Madeleine is dead.”

  “Interviewed on the BBC, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith expressed her confidence in the Madeleine investigation, saying the UK authorities would continue to provide the Portuguese police with any help they need.

  But the McCanns say they fear they are being framed to cover up the incompetence of police who failed to find the person who snatched Madeleine from her bed while the couple ate tapas with friends in a restaurant 50 yards away.

  It emerged that during their two days of gruelling interviews last week, the couple, both 39-year-old doctors, stonewalled 40 questions from detectives - exercising their right to silence granted to them as arguidos (suspects)”

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 2:20 pm

  Also, here is the mccanns site for finding maddie:

  http://www.findmadeleine.com/

  For a couple who have traveled to numerous places on donated fund money, for a couple who was supposed to be supporting ALL missing children agencies to find not only maddie but other missing children as well, and all the other nonsense they have said about trying to help find missing children and raise money for the cause of finding missing children, when you go to that site, DO YOU SEE EVEN ONE LINK TO ANY OTHER MISSING CHILDREN SITES? Are there any other missing children pictures on their page besides maddie? They don’t even have a link to the missing children’s agency that gerry came to the United States to visit and discuss what more could be done to find missing children…there is no reference to that agencies site, no contact information, nothing! For a couple so into wanting to find other missing children as well, and raise money to bring attention to the issue, they sure arent’ supporting any other missing children or agencies on their page! But yet I noticed there is 4 links to send money, support, fundraisers, including a STORE to buy missing maddie stuff, all these links going back to them, not other agencies, as well as a nice big link spot on how to make a donation to this site! And why is gerry keeping an online diary, why isn’t kate on there as well? Oh that’s right, gerry has been doing almost ALL of the talking for BOTH of them, but she’s a doctor, shouldn’t she be able to speak for herself, or is it so they don’t mix their stories up between them?

  I think alot of people in the public are having a hard time accepting that the mccanns are responsible for her death/disappeance because they’ve donated money to this site, and now they feel like they have been scammed and conned out of their money!

• Kathy
  Sep 10, 2007 at 2:30 pm

  Slow your roll Susan! I never said they were not capable of this. I just couldn’t find in the article where it said that the british authorities were doing the testing. I have since found it.
  Anyway. If my daughter went missing, I can’t say I would immediately lock up my house and forbid anyone to enter. I would probably have all my friends and neighbors over to help look for her. So I can’t fault then for that. The fact that they left her and her siblings alone is unforgivable though. Also, I won’t fault them for getting the media involved wither. I would want my childs face all over the place if she was missing. Thats how most missing and abducted childern get found, when complete strangers spot them somewhere from a flyer, etc.
  That being said, I think they should NOT be allowed to use the funds from the website to use for legal expenses. People who donated there donated for the sole purpose of finding missing children. If they want help with their legal funds, they need to start a seperate website so all the people that believe they had nothing to do with this can donate there.
  I think we will never find out what happened to this little girl. Its been over 4 months now. If the protugese police OR British authorities had any real evidence, they would have been arrested already. If they have hidden a bosy somewhere, they sure aren’t talking and I doubt they ever will. Also, the portuguese police have now focused all their attention on the McCanns, so if they DID NOT have anything to do with it, they are never going to find out who took her.
  Its sad. Just like someone else said, this is going the way of JonBenet Ramsey.

• Kathy
  Sep 10, 2007 at 2:34 pm

  Also, it was the responsibilty of the Police to seal off the crime scene, not the McCanns. From what I read, the police where there at around 11 pm and the crime scene was o=not sealed off until after 4 AM. Sounds like a huge mistake to me.

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 10, 2007 at 4:56 pm

  You know what is really damning in my eyes? The fact that one of the first things they did after Maddie went missing was to set up a fund to receive donations to help find her. It’s almost like they were emotionally blackmailing caring donors all over the world that if they just gave enough money maybe Maddie could be found.

  Money would be the last thing on my mind if one of my children was missing.

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 5:29 pm

  I agree I havekids. I understand that others would be in the room helping them find her, BUT, the mccanns are blaming the police for soiling the crime scene, when if they knew that valuable evidence was being stepped on, why would you allow tons of people to go searching through the place, knowing she’s not there? The Ramseys did the same thing! The thing is, I wouldn’t let ANYONE in the area at all, even to look for her, until the police arrived…why? because even I being just an “average educated person” knows through common sense that I could be hurting the investigation by letting tons of other people into the area! These people were doctors, surely they understood OVER anyone else how important it is to “perserve” evidence for an investigation (even John Ramsey knew this as well I’m sure, becuase of his business dealings, etc), and considering I would have already searched the ENTIRE place myself for my child, probably searching several times, there really wouldn’t be any need for anyone other then the police to search the place!

  Yes, I would want the media involved, but I wouldn’t have gone the route the mccanns did, and I haven’t seen too many other parents of missing children take the same route they did! Most parents that have been involved in any kind of crime against their child first of all doesn’t set up a fund account, take trips all over the world through those funds, etc, if anything, they’ve spoken on tv, but even then how many parents do we really see on tv talking about their missing child right away? We have amber alerts here in the states, and from what I understand, other countries have similiar types of alerts, right off the bat these two declared their innocence, way before anyone questioned whether they had anything to do with her disappearance or not! They turned so much attention on THEMSELVES, not on maddie missing, and didn’t really offer much help in the effort…..parents who have children missing are usually out there with the search teams (innocent parents I should state) hunting for their child, not on tv, the internet, etc, asking everyone else to get involved, usually it’s the police asking people for the help and willing volunteers come forward to search! Also, most of these parents don’t keep online diary’s, like their trying to keep everyone informed on what their doing day by day, how their feeling, etc, I feel as if gerry’s online diary was a way for him to clear his conscious, gain sympothy and support, and to try to justify his and kate’s whereabouts. Also, there have been quite a few high profile celebrities who have gotten involved with searching for maddie, right from the start, how did they find out so quickly about her missing when the rest of the world hadn’t even heard about it yet? And those celebs were quick to donate large amounts of money to the “fund”!

  Maddie has seemed to poof off the face of the earth, no one has found her, one minute gerry says she’s in spain, the next minute he says she’s somewhere else, and yet the police hasn’t been given this information? Considering there has been so much media about this case, surely by now she would have been found if she was alive, and if she’s dead, well, someone within the mccann camp I’m sure knows where she’s buried! I have a feeling it will be a friend of theirs that cracks first and gives up where she’s located, at first, considering how quickly they set up this fund to find her, I thought maybe they were going to try to say she was being held for ransome and she would suddenly be found after a period of time. But as things started to unfold even more, well, I think she’s buried somewhere back at their home in the UK, and that searches should go to their home and families homes in the UK and search their properties, I’m picturing a arched gardenway, white flowers, and a brick type of wall extending out from both sides of the archway, like walking into a garden setting. Call me crazy, but I think maddie has been “home” all along in the UK, and someone within their family and friends circle did the “dirty” work of burying her while they were in portugal! we’ll see I guess, but it doesn’t look good for them!

• Susan
  Sep 10, 2007 at 5:45 pm

  here’s something I found interesting on the maddie site, concerning the store they have on the site. It reads:

  “Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited is a company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales, CRN 6248215. Registered office: Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited PO Box 53133 London E18 2YR.”

  Notice where it states “Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited is a company”, why would you start a company when your child is missing, a company that would actually profit from the proceeds? And then you register the name of this company? Most people who set up funds to aide in missing children things are set up as nonprofit organizations, not as registered companies! So obviously anyone who made any dollar amount of donation to this fund, apparently isn’t going to get a tax credit for donating money to a charity! Doesn’t that seem strange as well??

  Something else I find ironic is the song they have chosen for the site, “I would fight for you, I’d lie for you, walk the world for you, I’d die for you, you know it’s true, everything I do, I do it for you” Sounds like their trying to clear their conscious of their “store” and donations, because their doing it in her name! Again, it all seems VERY strange to me!

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 11, 2007 at 4:50 am

  I agree Susan that they seem to have been reveling in the limelight and attention Maddie’s “disappearance” has brought to them. And laying it on the media, saying the media has been hounding them and forcing them into the spotlight is just BUNK. They’re like every other celebrity who gets stalked by the media and complains about it. They secretly LIKE the attention.

  If they really didn’t want to be in the media spotlight, I’m sure they could have avoided a lot of the attention they’ve gotten. But they’ve been actively SEEKING the attention and seemed to be enjoying it. Until the cops named them suspects and the media started leaking the evidence against them, that is.

  My heart breaks for Maddie, and I pray that what the police allege - that she died of an accidental overdose administered by her mother - is really what happened. It would mean she simply fell asleep and never woke up, which to me seems less horrible for her than being abudcted, abused and violently murdered by a stranger.

  But my heart really goes out to the twins, who have lost their big sister, don’t understand any of what’s going on and may also end up losing both their parents as well.

  All because Kate and Gerry wanted to have an uninterrupted dinner but didn’t want to pay for a babysitter.

• Allie
  Sep 11, 2007 at 11:10 am

  Ok, this doesnt surprise me at all….but what were they thinking in the first place! ? You dont leave children alone in an apartment while you go out. If someone did abduct her, its their own fault for leaving her unattended. Let us not forget that she had siblings….they could have went missing too or worse but for some reason the intruder chose not to harm them. Hmmmmm now thats strange…Thats why I dont think there ever was an abduction in the first place. Im starting to believe there was some sort of accident or an accidental overdose and they panicked. So they might as well fess up to manslaughter and go on to jail if they did it. I dont know How they can live with themselves?….

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 11:46 am

  newest update on maddie case:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  article title”Large amount of Madeleine’s hair ‘found in tyre well in boot of parents’ hire car’”

  First two paragraphs:
  “Substantial quantities of Madeleine McCann’s hair were found in the tyre well of the boot of her parents’ hire car, it was revealed today.

  Investigators are convinced so much hair was found that her body must have been stored in the vehicle, which was hired more than three weeks after she disappeared.”

  “Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”Sources today told the Evening Standard Newspaper: “Some of the samples of DNA were taken from hair which match Madeleine’s DNA. There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot.”

  Doesn’t look good for the mccanns!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 11:46 am

  “The police source discounted the theory that the crucial DNA was of Madeleine’s blood but it is understood that it was from bodily fluids given off by a decomposing corpse.” OUCH!

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 11, 2007 at 11:49 am

  Allie, you’ve hit on one of the things that has bothered me most about this whole abduction claim. I know if a strange person came into MY 2-year-old’s room at night and started making the kind of noise that would be associated with abducting a frightened, enraged 4-year-old, MY 2-year-old would be awake and would remember what happened.

  The fact that these kids apparently were unaware of what was going on tells me either they were drugged too or the people responsible for Maddie’s disappearance were people whom the twins weren’t afraid of … like their parents.

  Most 2-year-olds are able to communicate some basic information - like a strange man hurt Maddie. (Remember the 2-year-old in the Ohio pregnant mom slaying? He said “Mommy was crying. Mommy was hurt. Mommy was in the rug.)

  But I haven’t seen any report of the McCann twins saying anything like that.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 1:24 pm

  Susan, until the evidence is presented in a court of law i consider it to be assumptions. For example the press is NOW saying that the DNA is only an 88% match. The only information regarding the parents giving the child sedatives was from a portugal paper, and the reliability of that information is very suspect. AND the Portugal police have not requested the McCann’s be arrested.

  This is exactly why people need to be more careful about their information sources, and believing everything they read. Just because the newspaper says it, doesn’t make it true!

  There are a lot of assumptions being made about these people, and personally i suspect they were involved. I just choose to be leary about what I believe and don’t believe.

  Just because a news agency prints it, doesn’t make it true. There is a lot of sensationalism going on in this case.

  You also have to remember that Portugal law doesn’t allow ANY information to be released as long as there is an ongoing investigation (and there is). So you have to question the sources of your information.

  Who has leaked the information and what do they have to gain? Did the information leaked really come from an official source? Is there some advantage to spinning the story? Like selling papers, getting your 15 mins of fame, some kind of payoff for you?

  There is no way of knowing at this time.

  In regards to the children being left alone, i was watching Greta Van Suteren on Fox News last night and they were saying that the brits leave their kids like that all the time. Apparently to THEM it’s ok to do? That’s why the McCann’s weren’t the only one’s who’s children had been left alone while the adults were out at night having a good time.

  Considering their generally “way better than americans” way of behaving I was very surprised. It seems that kind of behavior is the norm for them?

  Susan, regarding their setting up a company. Do you know anything about business and charity law in the UK? I don’t. I do know that they’ve taken in over $2 million. I wouldn’t question this aspect without knowing more about the brittish laws. It’s possible they did it that way due to laws in their country.

  Here our laws would allow just a fund to be set up. Also, just because it’s listed as a business donesn’t necessarily have to mean they’re making a profit. Look at what adam walsh has done with the center for missing and exploited children.

  For me it’s not hard to believe they would or could do such a thing. For me, it’s a matter of not believing every sensational thing I read. There is a lot of information being provided by the media that they shoudln’t have. Are they making it up? Are they illegally releasing information they shouldn’t have? where is this info coming from? I know it keeps people buying their papers, and it keeps you visiting their websites.

  I think there is only the slimmest of chances that they DIDN”T do it, but it’s still there. In our country the standard of law is “reasonable doubt”.

  They found trace amounts of blood in the trunk of a car rented after her disappearance. That is likely sound information and from a source that can legally release such information. They also found hair, a substantial amount. Also appears to be reliable information. I have seen nothing more that I would consider to be really good, solid, reliable information.

  I want to see more. That blood and hair is not enough to convict someone in an american court of law.

  Money would NOT be the last thing on my mind if my child disappeared. Those people who have the money to keep their kids faces out there for a longer time, are the ones who get their kids back.

  Elizabeth Smart was an excellent example. She didn’t come home because of their daily prayers, or because of their strong mormon faith. That girl came home because her parents had her face out there, it cost a pretty penny to do, but it worked.

  Her parents are some of the wealthiest here. They had daily press conferences, set up a fund, paid top dollar to keep their kid in the media, and she’s home now. In fact she played her harp at camille cleverly’s memorial.

  I also don’t see it as out of the ordinary that they were travelling while looking for her. They had reported sightings all over the place. (Assuming she was abducted) She also disappeared from a tourist town. You know, where people who travel go?

  And if hearing my sad, crappy life online every day is going to keep people coming back to my website to see my missing child’s face, so they remember her, and me or whatever helps I’ll blog too.

  In closing, I would just like to reiterate, I suspect they’re probably guilty. I don’t know for sure, and neither do any of you.

  If you feel you do know for sure then I recommend you do a little research on the laws in Portugal and information sources. There just isn’t enough solid information to determine 100% that they did it!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:14 pm

  stupidppl, read the newest article I posted, first of, it’s not just the portugal police involved alone, the British police are also involved! The article states:

  “In a separate development this afternoon, the public prosecutor ruled there was sufficient evidence against the McCanns to pass on the case to a senior judge.

  A Portuguese lawyer said this might mean that the prosecutor wanted to impose stricter bail conditions or to carry out fresh searches or more interviews.

  It is also possible that he is recommending charges, although this would be unusual, Artur Rego said.

  “It wouldn’t be normal unless he had already prepared the case,” Mr Rego said.

  The judge has 10 days to decide whether to agree to the prosecutor’s request.

  The move is likely to increase the possibility of charges against the couple.”

  Now if that doesn’t look like an arrest coming soon, I’m not sure what does then, and let’s not forget that the mccanns have refused to answer questions that the police have asked them. One of the first things guilty people do when the finger starts pointing is them is say their being framed, which is now what the mccanns are doing. Look at many of the cases on this site alone where the parents plea their innocent, and yet have been found of the horrific crimes they have been accused of, like the piercy guy that locked his child up for 3 years in his room, he is now stating that it’s vindettas, etc, and that he’s innocent! Give me a break!

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:23 pm

  An arrest coming soon is COMPLETELY different from stating that they have ordered the arrest. It’s not looking good for them. There is still a huge difference.

  The brittish have done the forensic testing and sent dogs, but I am unaware of the britts planning any kind of investigation or charges. It seems it would be out of their hands as no crime was committed in the UK.

  You’re also right, many guilty people tout their innocence profess to being framed, but so do people who are being framed.

  It’s kinda like an old saying, “Just because I think people are out to get me doesn’t mean they’re not!”

  I think they’re involved. But holding that as an opinion is far different then proclaiming it as fact.

  I think one of the most damning things we DO KNOW are true, is their “fleeing” Portugal the way they did. They have spent so much time talking about how they’d never leave till they found her. They are named as suspects and they’re done? Not evidence, but it doesn’t look good.

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:27 pm

  stupidppl, I did do some research on starting a company in the UK, the UK is ALOT like the United States in alot of things it does, with a few exceptions. I went to the site:

  http://www.start.biz/nationwide/faq.php

  Here’s what it states about a Limited Company, which is what the mccanns started with the fund for maddie (all of this is quotes from the site):

  “Limited Companies FAQ’s - Limited liability can protect the owner of a company from personal loss or even bankruptcy, which a sole trader could not avoid.

  Q WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF LIMITED LIABILITY?

  Limited Liability protects the owner of a Limited Company from personal loss as the company is a separate entity and hence has its own profits and debts - i.e. any debts incurred would be the company’s debts and not the individuals. This is unlike the owner of a business as his business debts would in fact be his personal debts.

  Q CAN I FORM A LIMITED COMPANY AND TRADE USING A DIFFERENT NAME?

  Yes, although it may be wise to protect your trading name using our Business Names Registration service before commencing business so as not to infringe on an existing trading name and to ensure protection for your name for the future.

  Q CAN I FORM A LIMITED COMPANY AND LEAVE IT DORMANT UNTIL I WISH TO TRADE?

  Yes, once the company is formed and the Directors/Secretary are in place, the company can remain dormant until you need it. However, on the anniversary of its incorporation you must file an annual return and nil accounts (”nil” if it has never traded) with Companies House. You must also remember to keep Companies House informed of any changes within the infrastructure of the company as they happen e.g. if there are changes in Directorship or Registered office. This requirement is also the same for companies that are trading and we can assist you with these ongoing matters

  Q WHAT OFFICIAL DETAILS AND PERSONNEL DO I NEED IN ORDER TO FORM A LIMITED COMPANY?

  To form your company, the minimum requirements are as follows:- You will need at least one director and one company secretary and at least one shareholder, a UK registered office address (or it can be your home address although, by law you must display a company nameplate at the premises). We can supply a company secretary and our prestige registered office address. (thisi s probably why they have had to consult with the director of the “fund” to use the funds in the account for hiring their attornies, etc!)

  Q WHAT ARE THE COSTS INVOLVED (to start the limited company)?

  To set up a new company or to purchase one of our brand new readymade companies costs £125 inc. of VAT and full company kit.

  Q HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE (to start the limited company)?

  To form a new company takes 1 day, our readymade companies are available immediately.

  Now, this is just one site that helps start a limited company in the UK. Let me go see what it says now about starting a fund for a missing child!

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:36 pm

  Susan From that same first link you posted;

  It became clear last night that although Portuguese police are confident they have an adequate case, based on DNA samples, serious doubts are emerging about the evidence.

  Sources close to the British police drafted into the inquiry said that the new forensic evidence relating to the McCanns’ holiday apartment is “far from conclusive”.

  AND;

  A question mark has also been placed against the first tranche of test results, which led to the allegation that blood was found in the boot of the couple’s Renault Scenic hire car.

  It is simply not certain, in fact, that it was blood.

  The Mail on Sunday understands that the sample is so minute that it has been categorised by forensic scientists in Birmingham as “low copy number DNA” and, again, unlikely to be of much value as evidence.

  AND;

  the article, near the end, suggests that it is the Portugal police leaking information. This is a concern for me for a few reasons. First, the britts are saying that the DNA evidence is sketchy and not in large enough quantity to really be sure it IS what they think it is and the Portugal police don’t seem to care. Second, they’re under huge amounts of pressure to close this case. It behooves them to (illegally) leak this information as it really puts pressure on these people. That (in my mind) deteriorates their credibility as well as the credibility of the “rumors” you’re hearing in the media that stem from them.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:41 pm

  I can see why they may choose to do a limited company *the US equivillant of a limited liability company (LLC)*

  That protects their personal assets from company debt.

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:45 pm

  to comment real quick on my limited corporation post, it sounds like this to me: if the mccanns used all the money in the fund for whatever purposes and the fund was to go bankrupt, it sounds to me as if they can’t personally be held reponsible for any money owed. Therefore, they can travel with the funds, use the funds for attorney’s to defend themselves, etc, if the directors approve it, which then means anyone who has donated money to that fund are basically out of the money they donated for the purposes of looking for maddie! How convient for the mccanns then, that they haven’t had to use any of their own personal money to find their daughter, all the time they’ve spent in portugal, away from their jobs, the money spent on their housing, food, transportation needs while in portugal were all paid for by those funds, apparently they haven’t had to spend much of their money for thier mistake of leaving their children alone! Also, be sure to read the comments to the news article posts that are under the articles at the links I’ve posted, alot of mixed feelings there from the Brits themselves, many of whom have donated money to the fund and feel that their money should not be going for the mccanns personal use to defend themselves, etc! You mention they traveled to find their daughter…..BULL! There were no claims that maddie was seen with the pope, and yet they traveled several times to meet with him, there was no claims that maddie was seen in New York, here in the states, and yet gerry traveled here to supposedly meet with missing kids people here in the states. I haven’t seen anything that states they traveled to spain where she was reported seen, etc! Also, you mentioned the Smarts, and you stated they were rich people who paid for their own search, THEY PAID FOR IT OUT OF THEIR POCKET! If any funds were set up for their daughter or for the aid in finding her, it was done through others who had no personal connections to the family! The family paid for EVERYTHING with their own money, not with donated funds! So you kind of contradict yourself by using the Smarts as an example! Yes, I understand that you would want your child’s picture posted everywhere, etc, BUT, look at how many children go missing on a daily basis, the BIGGEST majority of these children from poor areas, where the families don’t have deep pockets, so then that would lead one to ask…why are the rich kids more important then the poor kids? Even parents who have children who’ve been shaken don’t receive all the publicity, donations, etc, that a select few receive, why? My daughter comes up missing, who’s going to help me go on a worldwide campaign to find her, who’s going to set up funds for my daughter to help in paying for all those expenses? Probably no one, because she’s just a normal child like all the other children who come up missing! Yes, I’m glad the rich are able to go to such extremes to find their children and have the deep pockets to do so, but aren’t ALL children just as important and deserve the same “treatment” in being found? Guess not in this country, again, screw the poor right? A poor person’s child means nothing to know one but the parents apparently, how sad!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 2:47 pm

  oh and what company holds fundraisers for their own companies benefit? Not any I know of! Usually if a company has a fundraiser it’s for a nonprofit organization, and nonprofit, fund type organizations hold fundraisers becasue that’s where they get the biggest chunk of their funds from!

• Ihavekidstoo
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:09 pm

  Susan, has anything been said about where her body might be? I feel the McCanns are guilty, but that’s the one piece I can’t figure out - how they could have disposed of her body using that rental car 25 days after she went missing when there was so much police and media attention focused on them. And where was her body hidden until then? Makes me think they MUST have had help.

  And of course they seem to have no lack of “friends” and family speaking on their behalf. Every other news story quotes a different family member, friend or “spokesperson.”

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:11 pm

  well so far, I’ve been able to find about voluntary organizations (which is the term for nonprofit organizations in the UK), I found this link:

  http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/26739243/

  It’s an organization that’s already established in the UK for helping people find their missing loved ones, it even provides these services:

  A national 24-hour telephone helpline for missing people and their families.
  Practical help, such as Street Contacts who look for vulnerable missing people.
  Publicity in the media: on radio, TV and Teletext, in newspapers, The Big Issue and on milk cartons.
  A national computerised register of missing people.
  A service which uses ‘age progression’ software to update photographs of people missing for years

  So again, much like the United States, there are organizations already set up to help find missing children/people, and I’m sure this organization would help the mccanns set up a “fund” to assist in looking for maddie, so no need for a limited company being established! Just my opinion!

• Kathy
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:19 pm

  Hopefully all of the peopole who donated read this part of the site…it spells it out in plain english. All caps emphasis is mine.

  “Frequently Asked Questions
  *What are the objects of Madeleine’s Fund?

  Madeleine’s fund is a NON-CHARITABLE NOT-FOR-PROFIT company, which has been established to help find Madeleine McCann, to support her family, and to bring her abductors to justice. Any SURPLUS funds will be used to help families and missing children in the United Kingdom, Portugal and elsewhere in similar circumstances.

  The full objects of the Fund are:

  To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;

  To procure that Madeleine’s abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and

  TO PROVIDE SUPPORT, INCLUDING FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, TO MADELEINE’S FAMILY.

  IF THE ABOVE OBJECTS ARE FULFILLED THEN the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.

  Is Madeleine’s Fund a registered charity?

  No, Madeleine’s Fund is registered as a company limited by guarantee. Its company registration number is 6248215.

  What are the registered details of the Madeleine’s Fund?

  Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited is a company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales, CRN 6248215. Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited PO Box 53133 London, E18 2YR

  Why is Madeleine’s Fund not registered as a charity?

  In England & Wales, registered charities are required to demonstrate public benefit. Because Madeleine’s Fund is currently focussed on searching for one child, Madeleine McCann, it cannot register as a charity. However, it may be able to register as a charity in the future.

  At the point the Fund starts to focus on abductions generally, public benefit may be demonstrable and the Fund may be able to register as a charity.”

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:29 pm

  Ihavekids…no, that’s still the mystery I guess. I have two ideas (my thoughts) on the issue of where her body is….first off, I think a friend or family member helped them dispose of her body, since all media attention is on them, of course no one is going to notice what the friends and family are doing in the background! So, I think they could have told the friend or family member who helped dispose of the body to dispose of it, but not tell them where she is for now, so their alibis of not knowing where she is “true”, they could pass a lie detector test stating they don’t know where she is because they don’t know! Considerig they have suddenly scurried back to the UK, I think she may be buried somewhere in the UK, that’s why I think authorities need to search the properties of theirs, their families and friends, with them being doctors, first off, I’m sure they have the knowledge of how to “dress” a decomposing body for some kind of unnoticable transportation (and her body was small enough to conceal inside a bag easily, she didn’t weigh much either!), if they don’t have the knowledge, I’m sure someone could have provided them with that info! Second, all the attention has been focused in portugal, NOT in the UK, so no one has even considered looking there for her body! I think the location of where she’s buried would be revealed (if it hasn’t now already been) to them at a later date, when the heat was off of them, etc. Remember…one of their male friends supposedly checked on the mccann kids during the time she “disappeared”, and AT THE SAME TIME he was checking on them, one of their own friends sitting with them at the resturant stated she saw a man carrying what looked like a small child in a blanket…..could this be the smoking gun?

  Something else you pointed out….they have a neverending supply of family and friends speaking on their behalf now suddenly. Where have these people been during the search? If they have such a large support group among their friends and family, common sense says that those same friends and family would also pitch in money to assist in looking for her, again, no need for a company to be formed!

  Also, the police were notified and arrived within an hour, hour and a half after she went “missing”? That seems a little strange as well, because when the police arrived, the mccanns and their friends were all in the room, with inn staff, etc, there as well, why weren’t any of the mccanns or family members out looking around the area for her? Seems to me they would have been running up and down the streets calling her name, not sitting in the room! And, I’m not sure how the police works there, but in most places, a person has to be missing for more than an hour, hour and a half before such media outbreaks take place, but the media outbreak in this case was instantanous, almost as if the mccanns contacted the news media after hanging up with the police! And why would the “abductor” take maddie, she was sleeping inbetween the twins, I would think the “abductor” would take one of the smaller kids who wouldn’t be able to struggle as much, etc! All of the pictures I have seen in the media has shown mostly gerry and kate, nothing with the twins at the beach with them playing, etc, EVERY picture I have seen of the twins they look half asleep and not very responsive (children that age would be excited looking around at all the people giving them attention!), whether it’s during the day or at night, even when there has been a pic of one of the kids looking around, the kid almost looks lathargic, someone should tests those twins for drugs in their systems as well!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:39 pm

  LOL thank you Kathy, you brought up some very good points with that……the mccanns state it’s a not-for-profit organization, but yet aren’t considered a charity? uh, aren’t charity’s not-for-profit? They contradict themselves by saying their not-for-company but then are a registered limited company for profit! I’m glad someone else also sees the flaws in their “ways” of trying to disquise their deceit to the public!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:41 pm

  stupidppl, read this article, it’s today’s newest article!

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  It just now contradicts some of the other articles and gives more of a clearer picture, it wasn’t blood that was found, it was fluid that is excreted from a discomposing body! And, there was substantial amounts of hair found, not just a few strands!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 3:48 pm

  Oh, something else, at first gerry and kate were such a tight couple when this started, THEN, trouble between them was being reported, they were going to church separetly, etc, there was talk that their relationship was being heavily stressed (this was just as fingers were slowly starting to point in their direction, the attention was slowly starting to shift), NOW all of a sudden, their supposedly tight again? Seems strange, because a couple who are innocent would be strong the entire time together, wouldn’t be talking about splitting up, needing time away from each other, etc, in fact, they would become closer, UNLESS one of the people in the couple had something to do with the child’s “disappearance”! Seems strange to me as well!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 4:01 pm

  stupidppl, this is for you:

  Another article posted today:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481177&in_page_id=1811

  In this article, I brings up some good points…first of all, why didn’t the mccanns hire a private detective right off the bat to start searching for maddie, considering they have stated numerous times that they have no confidence in the police? In the article it states:
  “The former cabinet minister said on his blog that Gerry and Kate McCann had fallen victim to the “modern disease of fighting battles through the media instead of people getting on and doing their jobs diligently”.

  He added: “Maybe the McCanns should employ a private detective rather than a spin doctor, to find evidence of the abduction they are sure happened and the trail to her present whereabouts.”

  Last night Mr Redwood said he bore no ill will towards the couple. “I didn’t mean to be hurtful.

  “I was trying to be helpful.

  “Given that the police inquiry in Portugal seems to be based on something other than abduction, it would be helpful to the McCanns to prove it was abduction.”

  The article also, YET ONCE AGAIN, has GERRY expressing HIS AND KATE’s thought about each other’s innocence, etc. Gerry does ALL the talking, kate very rarely says anything (sounds like John and Patsy Ramsy!), and all gerry has done on the find maddie site is talk about himself, his AND kate’s feelings, etc, why can’t kate speak for herself? Shes supposed to be such a successful, respected doctor, does she not know how to speak for herself? Here’s the only comment, by one of their own fellow Brits, that was made to this article:

  “This man never talks about the anguish, despair or terror his daughter may be facing-his blog is all about him and his feelings and where he’s been and what he’s done-if he wants the public to maintain any sympathy or support for himself and his wife he should spend some of his blog ensuring that he reminds people of the person Madeleine is- the innocence, the cute little things she does, the funny things she has said-his entire focus is just wrong-the campaign should be about Madeleine- not how far her parents bloody jogged last week!

  - Dawn, England”

  I have to agree with this person, read the online diary of gerry’s at the maddie site, there is no talk about maddie, I’ve read them, he talks about his trips, what they did during that day, etc, there is no talk of maddie and who she was, etc, he even talks about the kids at her school on what would have been her first day at school, but there isn’t much “emotion” expressed in what he says, and he doesn’t talk about what maddie would have worn that day, etc, he does not talk about maddie on this site like a parent who truely “misses” their “lost” child! He “talks” like a person trying to prove their every move so no one doubts what their doing or their involvement!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 4:02 pm

  he doesn’t mention the twins much at all as well!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 4:04 pm

  Oh and he also “speaks” like a person trying to justify how the money is being spent from the fund!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 5:17 pm

  I’d also like to comment on the fact that the mccanns keep saying they have nothing to do with her disappearance, as stated here:

  http://www.findmadeleine.com/

  gerry puts in his blog “We have absolute confidence that, when all of the facts are presented together, we will be able to demonstrate that we played absolutely no part in Madeleines abduction.”

  They keep saying they had nothing to do with her disappearance/abduction….the thing is, they are also being blamed for her possible death, but yet they keep insisting they had nothing to do with her disappearance, they don’t state anything about her death! Like I said earlier, no, they probably don’t know where maddie’s body is, someone else disposed of it for them and hasn’t told them yet where she is, so yes, their right, they had nothing to do with her “disappearance” from the room and where her remains are at this time. BUT, they have not once stated they didn’t have anything to do with her possible death! Why would you keep enforcing the fact you had nothing to do with her disppearance only, wouldnt you be trying to defend yourself on ALL allegations being thrown your way? Another strange thing to me! Give them a lie detector test….I bet they answer truthful to not having anything to do with her “ABDUCTION” or DISAPPEARANCE FROM THE ROOM, but I bet they would greatly fail other crucial parts about her possible death and a coverup of that death! Maybe these are the questions gerry has refused to answer for the police, and it would explain why he gets so angry when people question him concerning these points!

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 5:23 pm

  Wow can you write a novel!!! I had to make notes as i read your most recent posts!

  OK for starters…
  I have only read of one visit with the Pope, not several. As “good catholics” I don’t see that as inappropriate. I also found no information as to whether that trip was paid for by them or from their fund. In addition, there was no information I found that states whether they were there looking for Madelaine or possibly on a religious sabbatical.

  I also don’t object to their meeting with “missing kid people” in the states. If my child were missing I would explore every possible resource to find them. These agencies are experts at finding lost children.

  I also never said that the Smart’s paid for their search efforts. I honestly don’t know who paid for it. I could be wrong, but seem to remember a fund. You don’t know whether they set it up or someone did on their behalf. You’re making (more) assumptions on that one.

  My point with the Smart’s was that they kept their faces and name in the media. You couldn’t forget who she was. That is (in large part) why they found her. Not because her parents had money, but because her parents had the knowledge, expertise and resources to keep the media talking about their daughter.

  I am poor, and trust me, if my kid came up missing, I’d make sure she stayed in the media. Your kid will get the attention that you create. You might have to be more creative being poor, but you can do it.

  They had a great explanaition for registering as a company instead of a charity. They (currently) aren’t of any benefit to their community, the fund was created to find their kid and help them with related expenses. I find nothing inappropriate with what they’ve done there. The intentions for the money have been well disclosed (IMHO).

  Many companies do self serving fund raisers. They just don’t call them fundraisers. There are plenty of “marathon’s” on in the middle of the night, but they’re not “not for profit” so they’re called infomercials instead. there are also fundraisers every freakin weekend at the mall here. They’re called clearance sales, or end of summer sales, or going out of business sales.

  Do you really think those sales are to help YOU? No, they’re to make more money (raise funds) for the companies holding the sales. Those are a LITTLE morehonest tho, as you get something to take home in addition to your receipt.

  If they did it, where’d they hide the body for 25 days? I’ve heard it said they’re a bit confused on that part, cuz a 25 day old, decomposing body would fucking stink. They say the trunk should still stink of the body was in there.

  So you think they smuggled her dead, decomposing corpse, in a luggage back, thru customs, to the UK? Now that’s a stretch. I guess it’s possible, but seems VERY unlikely.

  Maybe their formation of a company came about because their wealthy friends made donations to them and they wanted to be able to account for it and manage it. That way people don’t sit and suggest they’re misusing it. They can show where the money’s gone. I don’t see that as unreasonable.

  They also couldn’t register as a charity. read the post above about the brittish requirements for not for profit organizations…

  I have seen many a strong couple torn apart over the loss of a child. Due to sids, illness, abduction, whatever the cause. Just because they’re hot and cold doens’t imply anything.

  I think, Susan, that you should remember that not everyone is like you. We/they don’t all deal with stress the same way. Some people suffer quietly inside while other’s rage against the machine. We’re all individuals.

  I have read the blog, and there seems to be a focus on the process. Maybe it’s hard for him to think about what Madelaine could be going thru (if he is innocent) or maybe you’re right, and he’s just covering his ass. How do you know which it is???

  I know if I had been given $2 MILLION dollars by the public I’d feel obligated to justify or account for where it’s gone. I am not sure I have issue with the presentation of his blog. Maybe the pupropose of his blog isn’t to talk about the possibly sad/disgusting things his kid is going thru. Maybe he’s tryingto let people who care know that the rest of them are ok.

  Kate doesn’t speak for herself…
  maybe she’s quiet, maybe she’s innocent but very upset about her leaving her child alone, maybe she’s guilty and smart enough to shut the hell up, maybe she’s going out of her mind right now and has nothing to say.

  I don’t feel like she owes me anything and i think it’s pretty messed up for that to be held against her. What obligation does she have to any of us? The only ones I feel she has an obligation to are her children and spouse.

  and finally, to address the last article you posted. I think you should read more carefully. You read way too much into what you’re reading and you take it all as fact. The reason the information is so contradictory is that no one knows for sure. the Portugal police have released so little information that most of what we talk about is speculation.

  nowhere in the article does it say that it was fluids from a decomposing body. It also states that they’re only 88% sure they have a match.

  FROM THE ARTICLE:
  The sample of bodily fluid allegedly found in the McCanns’ hired Renault Scenic was taken from the boot, where the spare tyre is kept, and had an 88 per cent match with the missing four-year-old’s DNA, sources said.

  AND ALSO:
  “If the hair shows signs of decomposition that means it was in the scalp as the body was decomposing and that would be particularly significant.

  “Hair which is pulled from the scalp or cut while the person is alive does not decompose.”

  The decomposition marks the hair with a dark band at the scalp which can easily be seen under a microscope.

  Now, for the record, I say again I THINK they’re probably involved. The information is just not solid enough yet and I think people should be very careful about making assumptions based on information that can’t be verified.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 5:29 pm

  I don’t believe the Smart’s ever discussed Elizabeth’s possible death, as they believed her to be alive. We thought they were fruit loopy. Three months into it and I think most of us around here were thinking, “those poor people just can’t accept…”

  The thing that first clued the police into what Susan Smith did to her children was her referring to them in the past tense.

  I don’t think this most recent point of yours is valid at all. If anything it would speak to their innocence. It is normal psychology for them to refer to her abduction despite what the speculation is. It’s what a “normal” person would generally (not always but generally) do, and I guess it is also how a smart, guilty person would handle it.

  So, we come full circle.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 11, 2007 at 5:34 pm

  88% By the way is nowhere near enough to make ANYONE a baby’s daddy ;o)

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 6:24 pm

  stupidppl, first off, you stated about elizabeth smart’s family…..”Her parents are some of the wealthiest here.” That suggests to me that they are rich on their own accord, separate from any funds, etc, set up to help?

  Read this article:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481163&in_page_id=1811

  it talks about how even kate mccann has stated “Kate McCann is also said to believe that the DNA evidence, on which the case against the McCanns appears to hang, has been placed there in a bid to frame them for Madeleine’s murder.” This article also talks about how the mccanns phone calls, emails, etc, have been tapped and read by police, and if I remember correctly, about a month or so ago there was something that was said in an email from gerry to a friend of theirs that was kind of damning towards them and maddie’s “disappearance”. Even on their blog, gerry states they left at 7am in the morning to head back to the UK, and yet witnesses have stated that it was midnight that they left for the airport, in a tourist town, why would they need to leave at midnight for a 7am flight? I’m not sure where the airport is compared to where they were staying, but getting to the airport roughly 6 hours early for a morning flight? Seems strange as well!

  Also, who’s to say the person disposing of her body flew back to anywhere with it? The mccanns themselves even complained about how the traffic going in and out of the area was not monitored, cars were not searched properly, etc, No, they didn’t hide the body in the car for 25 days, I think the body was put in the car the night she “disappeared”, that the person seen carrying the small child wrapped in a blanket was also the friend who was supposedly checking the mccann kids at the time she “disappeared”, and considering the media wasn’t watching them so closely for the first few days, the body could have already left the area and been moved somewhere else. But, I have not heard anything about witnesses stating anything about maddie BEFORE that night, how do we know she was even alive that night, she could have already been “dead” days even before that night, after all, the blood that was found in the room…how was it cleaned up already so quickly by the time the police were called onsite? Maybe that’s why the body was moved the night she “disappeared”, because the body was already starting to decompose, and even though she may not have been in the car long enough to completely smell it up, it’s possible that the fluids still seeped out! (these are my thoughts, again, we’re here to discuss this, I’m not saying this is fact, I never have said that, but I am entitled to my opinion!)

  As far as accounting for what the funds have been used for, and considering this was set up as a company, gerry is not one of the directors, therefore, he would not be able to really speak about where the funds in this account were going! Thats the directors job, so if anyone is doubting where the money is going, then they would need to follow proper procedure to get that information, after all, gerry has had to consult with the directors to get permission to use the money for their legal expenses! I still don’t buy why they were set up as a FOR PROFIT limited company, when they state they are a nonprofit “charity”. Okay, so they couldn’t consider themselves a charity, no of course not, but they could still classify this “company” as a nonprofit organization, OR they could have went through the other numerous agencies set up in Britain to maintain a trust fund type of thing for helping to find maddie!

  The fact that your calling clearance sales and the like as fundraisers is really silly! Thats like trying to compare apples to oranges!

  a “clearance sale” is defined as: noun 1, clearance sale - a sale to reduce inventory, Noun 1. clearance sale - a sale to reduce inventory
  inventory-clearance sale
  cut-rate sale, sales event, sale - an occasion (usually brief) for buying at specially reduced prices; “they held a sale to reduce their inventory”; “I got some great bargains at their annual sale”
  (from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clearance+sale)

  a “fundraiser” is defined as: Noun 1. fundraiser - someone who solicits financial contributions
  canvasser, solicitor - a petitioner who solicits contributions or trade or votes, 2. fundraiser - a social function that is held for the purpose of raising money
  social function, social occasion, occasion, affair, function - a vaguely specified social event; “the party was quite an affair”; “an occasion arranged to honor the president”; “a seemingly endless round of social functions”
  (from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fundraiser)

  Granted, those terms can be “interepreted” many ways, but, they are clearly two different things and to be compared the way you’ve compared them is, as the mccanns would put it, ludicrous!

  You stated:
  “I don’t feel like she owes me anything and i think it’s pretty messed up for that to be held against her. What obligation does she have to any of us? The only ones I feel she has an obligation to are her children and spouse.”

  What obligation does she have?? Well first off, she left her children alone, and then she AND her husband have hit the media, asking for donations, etc, to help find their daughter. I think she has a BIG obligation to the public, since she has put herself in the public eye, to speak for herself and give answers, why has she chosen gerry to do all the talking for her? Oh that’s right, she has admitted to giving her child sedatives, she has admitted to taking sedatives herself for a mental problem (if she has this “mental problem” and has to keep herself sedated, how is it she is still practicing medicine then?), she hasnt gone on most of the trips with her husband…wouldn’t she go and be heavily involved as well, except for when they went and saw the pope (and as soon as I find the information I read regarding the two times they went and saw the pope, I will post it). She has always made sure her face is right there in the press, so we can’t say it’s because she’s at the residence with the twins, obviously from their own accord family is living in the area (gerry states on his blog they dropped the twins off and they spent the day going through emails, etc, where did they drop the kids off at….oh thats right, in the same blog entries he states one post that they had taken the kids to an aunts house one day, oh so they have family that live in the area maddie came up missing from?). She AND gerry both owe the public some explanations, they are the ones that has brought this to everyone’s attention, and yet she has been quiet from the beginning! And yet she owes no one anything except her kids and spouse? Maybe she should have thought about all of that before she left her kids alone that night, etc!

  Obviously they are quickly updating these articles, because this article:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  posted at Last updated at 00:54am on 12th September 2007 (yes, britain is quite a few hours ahead of us!), that article now states:
  Ten-volume dossier of ‘evidence’ handed to Portuguese judge
  • ‘There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot’
  • Police theory that body was hidden in village in first few weeks
  • Bodily fluids found in the car match Madeleine’s DNA
  • Parents could be summoned to Portugal and placed under house arrest

  “Detectives allege that Mrs McCann was involved in the deliberate or accidental death of Madeleine, and that her husband disposed of the body.

  Their evidence for those claims was detailed in the hefty dossier handed to public prosecutor Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses at lunchtime yesterday.”

  Although the file was quickly passed on to the judge to investigate, this in itself does not mean that charges are certain to be brought.

  Under the Portuguese justice system, the prosecutor needs a judge’s authorisation even to execute search warrants, to order more searches, or to change the status of the McCanns as formal suspects who have been allowed to leave the country.

  Legal experts told the Daily Mail that the couple’s status could be changed at any time to allow them to be summoned back and placed under house arrest.

  But indications last night were that police are convinced they already have enough evidence, even if they are ordered to conduct more searches, tests or interviews.

  Having passed the file to the judge, any request for search warrants or other investigations must now be made within ten days.

  However Portuguese journalists with contacts in the police said they expected action far sooner.

  They suggested police are itching for permission to search certain specific locations - which they have identified from secretly monitoring the McCanns’ phones.

  It is understood they need a judge’s permission before acting on information obtained from a phone tap, and that one of the requests made by the prosecutor to the judge is “urgent” and has to be answered in 24 hours.

  Portuguese sources believe this request to be either a search warrant or an order to seize an “object”.

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 6:25 pm

  stupidppl, first off, you stated about elizabeth smart’s family…..”Her parents are some of the wealthiest here.” That suggests to me that they are rich on their own accord, separate from any funds, etc, set up to help?

  Read this article:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481163&in_page_id=1811

  it talks about how even kate mccann has stated “Kate McCann is also said to believe that the DNA evidence, on which the case against the McCanns appears to hang, has been placed there in a bid to frame them for Madeleine’s murder.” This article also talks about how the mccanns phone calls, emails, etc, have been tapped and read by police, and if I remember correctly, about a month or so ago there was something that was said in an email from gerry to a friend of theirs that was kind of damning towards them and maddie’s “disappearance”. Even on their blog, gerry states they left at 7am in the morning to head back to the UK, and yet witnesses have stated that it was midnight that they left for the airport, in a tourist town, why would they need to leave at midnight for a 7am flight? I’m not sure where the airport is compared to where they were staying, but getting to the airport roughly 6 hours early for a morning flight? Seems strange as well!

  Also, who’s to say the person disposing of her body flew back to anywhere with it? The mccanns themselves even complained about how the traffic going in and out of the area was not monitored, cars were not searched properly, etc, No, they didn’t hide the body in the car for 25 days, I think the body was put in the car the night she “disappeared”, that the person seen carrying the small child wrapped in a blanket was also the friend who was supposedly checking the mccann kids at the time she “disappeared”, and considering the media wasn’t watching them so closely for the first few days, the body could have already left the area and been moved somewhere else. But, I have not heard anything about witnesses stating anything about maddie BEFORE that night, how do we know she was even alive that night, she could have already been “dead” days even before that night, after all, the blood that was found in the room…how was it cleaned up already so quickly by the time the police were called onsite? Maybe that’s why the body was moved the night she “disappeared”, because the body was already starting to decompose, and even though she may not have been in the car long enough to completely smell it up, it’s possible that the fluids still seeped out! (these are my thoughts, again, we’re here to discuss this, I’m not saying this is fact, I never have said that, but I am entitled to my opinion!)

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 6:26 pm

  As far as accounting for what the funds have been used for, and considering this was set up as a company, gerry is not one of the directors, therefore, he would not be able to really speak about where the funds in this account were going! Thats the directors job, so if anyone is doubting where the money is going, then they would need to follow proper procedure to get that information, after all, gerry has had to consult with the directors to get permission to use the money for their legal expenses! I still don’t buy why they were set up as a FOR PROFIT limited company, when they state they are a nonprofit “charity”. Okay, so they couldn’t consider themselves a charity, no of course not, but they could still classify this “company” as a nonprofit organization, OR they could have went through the other numerous agencies set up in Britain to maintain a trust fund type of thing for helping to find maddie!

  The fact that your calling clearance sales and the like as fundraisers is really silly! Thats like trying to compare apples to oranges!

  a “clearance sale” is defined as: noun 1, clearance sale - a sale to reduce inventory, Noun 1. clearance sale - a sale to reduce inventory
  inventory-clearance sale
  cut-rate sale, sales event, sale - an occasion (usually brief) for buying at specially reduced prices; “they held a sale to reduce their inventory”; “I got some great bargains at their annual sale”
  (from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clearance+sale)

  a “fundraiser” is defined as: Noun 1. fundraiser - someone who solicits financial contributions
  canvasser, solicitor - a petitioner who solicits contributions or trade or votes, 2. fundraiser - a social function that is held for the purpose of raising money
  social function, social occasion, occasion, affair, function - a vaguely specified social event; “the party was quite an affair”; “an occasion arranged to honor the president”; “a seemingly endless round of social functions”
  (from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fundraiser)

  Granted, those terms can be “interepreted” many ways, but, they are clearly two different things and to be compared the way you’ve compared them is, as the mccanns would put it, ludicrous!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 6:27 pm

  What obligation does she have?? Well first off, she left her children alone, and then she AND her husband have hit the media, asking for donations, etc, to help find their daughter. I think she has a BIG obligation to the public, since she has put herself in the public eye, to speak for herself and give answers, why has she chosen gerry to do all the talking for her? Oh that’s right, she has admitted to giving her child sedatives, she has admitted to taking sedatives herself for a mental problem (if she has this “mental problem” and has to keep herself sedated, how is it she is still practicing medicine then?), she hasnt gone on most of the trips with her husband…wouldn’t she go and be heavily involved as well, except for when they went and saw the pope (and as soon as I find the information I read regarding the two times they went and saw the pope, I will post it). She has always made sure her face is right there in the press, so we can’t say it’s because she’s at the residence with the twins, obviously from their own accord family is living in the area (gerry states on his blog they dropped the twins off and they spent the day going through emails, etc, where did they drop the kids off at….oh thats right, in the same blog entries he states one post that they had taken the kids to an aunts house one day, oh so they have family that live in the area maddie came up missing from?). She AND gerry both owe the public some explanations, they are the ones that has brought this to everyone’s attention, and yet she has been quiet from the beginning! And yet she owes no one anything except her kids and spouse? Maybe she should have thought about all of that before she left her kids alone that night, etc!

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 6:28 pm

  Obviously they are quickly updating these articles, because this article:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  posted at Last updated at 00:54am on 12th September 2007 (yes, britain is quite a few hours ahead of us!), that article now states:
  Ten-volume dossier of ‘evidence’ handed to Portuguese judge
  • ‘There was so much hair it could not be from DNA transference but from the body being in the boot’
  • Police theory that body was hidden in village in first few weeks
  • Bodily fluids found in the car match Madeleine’s DNA
  • Parents could be summoned to Portugal and placed under house arrest

  “Detectives allege that Mrs McCann was involved in the deliberate or accidental death of Madeleine, and that her husband disposed of the body.

  Their evidence for those claims was detailed in the hefty dossier handed to public prosecutor Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses at lunchtime yesterday.”

  Although the file was quickly passed on to the judge to investigate, this in itself does not mean that charges are certain to be brought.

  Under the Portuguese justice system, the prosecutor needs a judge’s authorisation even to execute search warrants, to order more searches, or to change the status of the McCanns as formal suspects who have been allowed to leave the country.

  Legal experts told the Daily Mail that the couple’s status could be changed at any time to allow them to be summoned back and placed under house arrest.

  But indications last night were that police are convinced they already have enough evidence, even if they are ordered to conduct more searches, tests or interviews.

  Having passed the file to the judge, any request for search warrants or other investigations must now be made within ten days.

  However Portuguese journalists with contacts in the police said they expected action far sooner.

  They suggested police are itching for permission to search certain specific locations - which they have identified from secretly monitoring the McCanns’ phones.

  It is understood they need a judge’s permission before acting on information obtained from a phone tap, and that one of the requests made by the prosecutor to the judge is “urgent” and has to be answered in 24 hours.

  Portuguese sources believe this request to be either a search warrant or an order to seize an “object”.

• Susan
  Sep 11, 2007 at 6:31 pm

  Detectives believe there is enough evidence to charge Mrs McCann with accidentally killing Madeleine in the living room and her husband with helping dispose of the body.

  Last night Mr McCann’s sister Philomena defiantly insisted: “If they bring charges against Kate and Gerry that will give them a chance to clear their name. It will give us a chance to end all this speculation.”

  You can read the rest of the article, but that’s the key points. No, I’m not taking this as facts, BUT, it’s also VERY damning against them!! The article earlier today stated the fluid found in the car was from a decomposing body, and please keep in mind, that it’s now the UK authorities that are stating these claims about the DNA, releasing info to the media, etc! The UK police are the ones that are turning this info over to portugal for charges, because that’s where this was committed! Also, the UK is also considering taking the twins from them, it’s the UK that has presented this evidence against the mccanns, NOT the portugal police!

• Susan
  Sep 12, 2007 at 5:49 am

  Theres a couple of new articles this morning about the mccanns:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481408&in_page_id=1811&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481329&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  The last article I posted talks about where the mccanns WILL NOT BE USING THE MADDIE FUND TO PAY FOR THEIR LEGAL EXPENSES! It states:
  “But today family spokesman David Hughes said: “Gerry and Kate’s view is that if they take money from the fund it might be that 90 per cent of people who made donations aren’t bothered about it.

  “But if 10 per cent of people are bothered about it, they don’t want to upset them.”

  It also states:
  “Board member Esther McVey, 39, a former GMTV presenter and schoolfriend of Mrs McCann, was one of four directors with a vote.

  She said: “When the fund was set up, one of its aims was to provide financial support for Madeleine’s family - but we are uncertain if the use of the money to pay for lawyers in these unexpected circumstances would be in the spirit of that aim.”

  Neither has earned anything since they took unpaid leave three months ago to remain in Portugal.”

  So apparently one of the directors of this fund is an old friend from school of kates, how appropriate! And, they haven’t earned anything since they took unpaid leave three months ago to remain in Portugal? THEY are the ones that chose to stay in Portugal, stay in the inn longer (maybe to do more cleaning up?), etc., when they could have gone back home and done the same things from home that they did in Portugal!

  LOLOL Also, apparently the item that the police want to get ahold of his kate’s diary, which they think may hold some more key evidence against what has happened to maddie.

• Susan
  Sep 12, 2007 at 5:51 am

  Theres a couple of new articles this morning about the mccanns:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481408&in_page_id=1811&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481329&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  The last article I posted talks about where the mccanns WILL NOT BE USING THE MADDIE FUND TO PAY FOR THEIR LEGAL EXPENSES! It states:
  “But today family spokesman David Hughes said: “Gerry and Kate’s view is that if they take money from the fund it might be that 90 per cent of people who made donations aren’t bothered about it.

• Susan
  Sep 12, 2007 at 5:52 am

  Theres a couple of new articles this morning about the mccanns:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481028&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481408&in_page_id=1811&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481329&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  The last article I posted talks about where the mccanns WILL NOT BE USING THE MADDIE FUND TO PAY FOR THEIR LEGAL EXPENSES! It states:

• Susan
  Sep 12, 2007 at 5:56 am

  There are a coupld of new articles this morning about the mccanns, you can get to all three articles by going to this one link…

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/dailymail/home.html?in_page_id=1766

  One of the articles talks about where the mccanns WILL NOT BE USING THE MADDIE FUND TO PAY FOR THEIR LEGAL EXPENSES! It states:
  “But today family spokesman David Hughes said: “Gerry and Kate’s view is that if they take money from the fund it might be that 90 per cent of people who made donations aren’t bothered about it.

  “But if 10 per cent of people are bothered about it, they don’t want to upset them.”

  It also states:
  “Board member Esther McVey, 39, a former GMTV presenter and schoolfriend of Mrs McCann, was one of four directors with a vote.

  She said: “When the fund was set up, one of its aims was to provide financial support for Madeleine’s family - but we are uncertain if the use of the money to pay for lawyers in these unexpected circumstances would be in the spirit of that aim.”

  Neither has earned anything since they took unpaid leave three months ago to remain in Portugal.”

  So apparently one of the directors of this fund is an old friend from school of kates, how appropriate! And, they haven’t earned anything since they took unpaid leave three months ago to remain in Portugal? THEY are the ones that chose to stay in Portugal, stay in the inn longer (maybe to do more cleaning up?), etc., when they could have gone back home and done the same things from home that they did in Portugal!

  LOLOL Also, apparently the item that the police want to get ahold of his kate’s diary, which they think may hold some more key evidence against what has happened to maddie. Many are questioning the fact that the mccanns have hired the most expensive attorney available, and want to know why they felt the need to do so, that is if their innocent! Also, apparently there was some ground work being done around their inn that is going to be looked over (some kind of road work or something) that police feel her body may be lying at, the area has already been paved over, but their hoping dogs and techno items will help them search the area without having to dig up the entire area again. So we wait yet some more to find out what’s up!

• Kathy
  Sep 12, 2007 at 6:21 am

  Susan-Two of the other board members on the fund are actually family memebers. It is stated very clearly on there. I don;t think it was something that they ever tried to hide.

• Susan
  Sep 12, 2007 at 6:54 am

  I had never really paid much attention to who the board directors were, I think it’s “noble” of them to not be allowed to use the funds to pay for their legal defense, something that would have probably caused a major uproar in the UK (considering some of the comments I’ve read by those in the UK who have donated to this fund etc!), smart move on the directors behalf. I just think it would have looked even better on them if this “company” had directors who were in no way related to the family, for example, bring in some objective type of people to run the “fund” so there wouldn’t have been any “backlash” towards them for what the money was used for. I still think they should have gone through agencies that already existed in the UK to help find maddie and “govern” a fund to help find her (which is what most parents have had to do when looking for their own children), instead of creating a company which they claim is not for profit but is clearly for profit! They may not have tried to hide who was running the fund, but I still think they were hiding some of their true intentions through use of the funds moneys, I’m almost tempted to contact these “directors” and ask for a statement of expenses, earnings, etc, (which from what I understand can be done since it’s a “company”), but I’m sure at some point someone closer to this case may already be planning on doing so (or those who have donated).

• Kathy
  Sep 12, 2007 at 7:25 am

  I don’t understand where you get that they are making a profit. They have said any money leftover (profit) would be put to use helping to find other missing children and that the fund would probably be turned into a charity then (legally.)
  Sorry, Susan. It seems that they have crossed all their t’s and dotted all their i’s as far as this fund is concerned. They may be currently living off of the monies in this fund, but it was clearly stated that this was one of the purposes. They had legal advisors since the beginning. Sorry if they are guilty of harming their daughter ansd alot of people felt sorry for them, but they did this part of it legally.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 12, 2007 at 5:38 pm

  Kathy I really have to agree with you about the fund.

  Susan, when I say you’re taking the ever changing, illegally leaked information as fact I believe I am right and you are misreading some of what you’re quoting and referring to in your posts.

  For starters you say. “I’m not taking this as facts, BUT, it’s also VERY damning against them!!” If you’re not taking it as fact, then it wouldn’t be damning against them would it?

  For example you talk about kate mccann saying she believed regarding the blood evidence. She wasn’t quoted as saying that, someone else stated that THEY thought she believes that. It could be true but it also may not be. Either way it’s very out of context in your use above.

  In addition, regarding the blood evidence, how do you know which “factoid” to believe about it? there are so many conflicting reports about it, which one is true?

  She has denied giving the child sedatives as far as I have read.

  I have also not read anything that states that the dna evidence is from a rotting corpse they have speculated that it COULD be, but no one knows for sure, even the britts testing it.

  Also I haven’t read anything about copious amounts of blood in the room. The only blood evidence I have read about is the blood in the boot of the car.

  Bodilyl fluids in the car are only an 88% match. There is only like a 3% difference in DNA between me and my dog, 88% match is totally inadequate and as I said before, it’s not enough to make anyone “my baby’s daddy”.

  Being married, I feel maybe THEY have an obligaytion to account for the money, which I feel they are.

  But why does SHE have to speak? What’s wrong with her husband speaking for her? That’s why my husband married me, so I could speak for him. Aside from accounting for the money TO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DONATED (an obligation that in my opinion is fulfiled when her husband explains where the money was used) what obligation does she have to you that requires SHE speak?

  Anyways, I agree, you’re entitled to your opinion, I just hope that if it’s ever you under the microscope that people aren’t quick to judge and assume things just because they’re printed in the media. Even the information about the diary, it doesn’t say who the source is, and again, it’s against portugeuse law to release such information while an investigation is still in process, so either someone lied or leaked. How do you know which it is?

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 12, 2007 at 5:59 pm

  sorry, also regarding forensic evidence see

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481124&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

• Susan
  Sep 13, 2007 at 7:08 am

  Newst update:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=481485&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  Madeleine judge gives police warrant to seize diary, laptop and Cuddle Cat
  By SAM GREENHILL and PAUL HARRIS - More by this author »

  Last updated at 15:20pm on 13th September 2007

  Comments (120)

  •Kate McCann agrees to checks on twins’ welfare
  •Portuguese police want to quiz her for third time
  •Tycoons refuse to fund McCanns’ legal defence
  •Fingerprinting pioneer to help McCanns with DNA test

  Now, it’s not the portuguise police saying anything, if you’ve been reading the links, etc, you’d see it has been the British detectives saying some of this stuff! Also, why have so many people speak on your behalf about what you think, etc, no wonder her words can get twisted so badly then! These people speaking on their behalf are said to be their spokepeople, so if their not their spokepeople, then the mccanns need to shut them up!

  The very first sentence in the article I just posted states:
  “A Portuguese judge has signed a warrant instructing British police to seize items of evidence from the home of Kate and Gerry McCann. ” I’m sure in portugal, as in so many other parts of the world, that alot of this information is public records type of information, after all, look at the info we can get from courthouse documents, etc, here in the states against people, right down to police reports, warrants, etc, and how much information is “leaked” about a case here before the accused as even gone to trial (this site with it’s stories is perfect examples of that!). One of the arguments that the mccanns have had has been trying to keep alot of this “personnal” information kept private, away from public eyes, BUT, although portugal states those involved with the case can’t talk publicly about what’s going on (as is the case sometimes here in the states), that doesn’t mean that the documents, etc, involving the case are private and not available to the public (which here in the states all documents filed in the court system are public informaiton even while the case is being investigated, etc. unless it’s a juvenile case, and even those cases aren’t always private!). Also, UK is alot alike the United States in some of the manners that things are done, the brit detectives have been giving updates to the media, legal officials (lawyers, advisors, etc) have been reveiwing this case and commenting, etc, same as what happens here in the states, so it’s really not surprising that the information the mccanns have wanted to keep “private” is being “leaked” to the public, happens all the time here! Also, at one point the mccanns were sueing a newspaper for some kind of deflemation, I’ve noticed that that lawsuit has now become hush hush, there has been no more word on this (this “lawsuit” appeared right around the time the fingers started pointing their way), I’ve been following this case, I have been reading everything presented about it that’s been made public, I have been reading everything on the maddie page, and I have a really hard time believing that maybe there isn’t some fact behind what’s being said against them!

  As far as the fund goes, I really do hope that at the end of all of this, no matter which way it goes, they keep their word about turning the fund over as a charity, considering all of the attention that has been focused on this fund now, attention that THEY brought on to it concerning those funds, they may now do as they say they planned to do (I’m sure someone in the background to all of this is making sure it will go the way the first stated it will go, as a charity), but I really can’t help but wonder if at some point during them creating this “fund” if they were hoping at some point all of this would fade from the public eye, life would move on, and no one would really think much about the “fund” and whatever happened to it! I really do believe that things are starting to backfire on them, no I don’t know their original intentions, but I do think we’ll start getting a better picture of that shortly concerning this whole case and fund!

• Susan
  Sep 13, 2007 at 7:10 am

  Here, read these links as well, make your own decisions..

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481560&in_page_id=1811

  “Kate McCann’s Madeleine diaries could fetch £1 million from publishers
  Last updated at 10:12am on 13th September 2007″

  And be sure to also read all of the other related links at the bottom of the articles, even though it may look like something you already read, I found they update the parts in the story to reflect what’s currently going on.

• Susan
  Sep 13, 2007 at 7:12 am

  In that article above, it states at the bottom:

  “”Obviously, the ideal would be if Madeleine were found and the story had a happy ending, in which case it would make a million-dollar book.”

  I’m sure movies, books, etc, will soon come out of all of this!

• nat
  Sep 13, 2007 at 8:06 am

  Geeez….lots of info regarding this!?
  I thought it was stupid of them when I heard they left the kids alone in the first place. Think of how much money was spent on the entire search? If they know something maybe they should let the authorities where Maddie is…that way she can rest in peace and justice can started where it is due. Didn’t have time to read every post but did they ever participate in a lie detector test?

• Shel
  Sep 13, 2007 at 11:11 am

  Gosh, I was only gone for a few days and this blog exploded! I have an opinion on the McCann case and I am not 100% convinced that Maddie is even dead. I know…I know…let the arguing begin. Here’s my thinking. There was kid abducted in our area when he was 9 years old. Six years later he was found alive living less than 200 miles from his family home with his abductor. They found him because his abuser went looking for another young boy and his vehicle was spotted and the license plate traced to him. The boy who was taken when he was 9 attended public school and was living a seemingly normal life (to the neighbors anyway) before he was found and returned to his real family. What’s to say that Maddie wasn’t abducted and taken from her family that night?

  It is true that in most European cultures they see nothing wrong with leaving their children alone for periods of time without supervision. We may not like it, but statistically there are less abductions there than here. Maybe Maddie was taken and not one or both of the twins because the perpetrator had a specific age and type of child he wanted. It would not be unusual. Polly Klass was having a slumber party with numerous friends in her room with her. The abductor didn’t take all of them. He didn’t even take two of them. He took the one child he wanted and that was Polly.

  There is such a minimal amount of blood and trace evidence in this case it makes it hard to back the theory that the McCann’s murdered their daughter. Maybe accidental, maybe. But I still want to know why everything is “trace” evidence. You know, my daughter stubbed her toe on the sidewalk the other afternoon and left trace amounts of blood from her toe on the sidewalk, her scooter and a few places on the carpet. Does that mean that I murdered her or that she hurt her toe playing? What if the trace blood evidence is from Maddie falling and scraping herself while on vacation? It could have happened at the pool, walking around sight-seeing….gosh, any number of ways.

  Lots of hair in the trunk of the rental car. Was that tested to positively come from a decomposing body and if so, why didn’t the DNA match 99.98% to Maddie? I heard one attorney on Court Tv stating that a decomposing body is usually leaking copious amounts of fluids, tissues, and the like. It would be hard to believe that they wrapped the body well enough there was not anything more than trace evidence and a clump of hair neither being an exact match to Maddie.

  This case is really strange, but I don’t get that feeling like I did over Scott Peterson and Bobby Cutts, Jr. Both of them I had that “feeling”. This case…I dunno. I’m just not so sure.

• Susan
  Sep 13, 2007 at 11:13 am

  nat no, not that I’ve heard of. That’s what I was stating earlier, from what’s been released both gerry and kate have either gotten upset with certain quesitons asked to them, or have refused to answer some questions. I think if they had someone dispose of her body, then of course they could pass the part of the lie detector test that asks “do you know where your daughter is”, but if asked “did you have something to do with her disappearance” I don’t think they could pass that part! They keep claiming they want to prove their innocense in her “disappearance”, and yet have not offered to do much to prove it other then higher some high priced attornies. Lie detector tests though are usually not permissable in court, so I don’t know if it would help in any of the court stuff, but it could offer other info on where she is, etc!

• Susan
  Sep 13, 2007 at 11:14 am

  also, many in the UK have been asking why the mccanns didn’t hire a private detective to work on this case since they have so little faith in the police! But so far, again, no word on them hiring a private detective, just them hiring some expensive attornies!

• suki
  Sep 16, 2007 at 6:52 am

  I thought I saw some ‘breaking news’ while flipping
  channels the other night on ‘nancy grace’-about this case-something about evidence being seized,
  some coolers or something…did anyone see that?
  i would have watched by cannot stand that woman..nothing about it in the news the next day…

• Robot B9
  Sep 16, 2007 at 10:54 am

  Why does Susan hate these people so much? Their story is far from over and she seems to know, with absolute certainty, that they are 100% guilty? Putting someone on trial, judging, convicting and excuting someone based on what is posted by the media is horribly wrong and stupid.

• Kathy
  Sep 17, 2007 at 9:39 am

  Here’s the latest. the case against the McCann’s is falling apart.

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=482126&in_page_id=1770

• Susan
  Sep 17, 2007 at 10:45 am

  wow, you guys really take things to the extreme that people say! I don’t hate these people, but what I do hate is people who lie and then try to cover up what they did! I have suspected since day one that these two were more involved in her “disappearance” then they’ve led on to, and I really can’t stand it when people play on other’s sympathy to try to cover themselves, which is what I feel these two are doing!

  As far as the case falling apart, they can’t have a sturdy, strong case against the mccanns until they have maddie’s body, plain and simple! Until her body is found (and as time clicks by, important evidence gets lost), they can’t put in stone what they think happened, etc. What I find funny is how the mccann team seems so convinced that this Murat guy has something to do with her disappearance, and yet he’s been thoroughly investigated and found not to be involved! Why are the mccanns so sure that he has something to do with her disappearance, they keep stating he’s lying, how do they know this for sure themselves? You say I’m judging them, aren’t they doing the same things themselves with Murat? If they have such compelling evidence that makes them feel he’s the one that did something to her (with her), then why haven’t they turned over whatever compelling evidence they have to the police? Or, how do we know that they didn’t hire him to dispose of her in some way? I’d like to know why they are able to judge, trial, and convict murat themselves, and yet they can’t be judged, trialed and convicted themselves? Sounds like their either withholding evidence, or they know more then their letting on and their trying to divert attention! Hopefully maddie will be found soon and this can all be put to rest! I’m just wondering why the police haven’t searched the homes and grounds back in the UK of the mccanns, their family and friends, to see if her remains could be there somewhere! Their story has changed (I’ve been reading gerry’s blogs, he can’t even keep his story straight on those blogs!) so much since she first disappeared, it does tend to make you start wondering what their hiding! Even their one friend said she saw a man carrying a small child in a blanket from the apartment area, this man was carrying this child at the same time their other friend had gotten up to check on the mccann kids, don’t you think it’s strange that these two “guys” never passed each other, and that no one else seemed to see this “child in a blanket”? Again, once maddie is found, hopefully very soon, I bet it’s shown that they had something to do with her death! Geesh, I guess I’m not allowed to feel strongly about something, you say 100% guilty, absolute certainity, blah blah blah, but yet (and yet many of you have commented on other stories with the same kind of absolute certainity, etc, against those in those cases based on what you’ve only read in the media!), I do feel strongly that they know what happened to their daughter, and without the body, yeah, there is no strong case just yet!

• Susan
  Sep 17, 2007 at 11:08 am

  Kathy, the link you posted now states:

  “A Portuguese judge has rejected prosecutors’ request to have Kate and Gerry McCann brought back to Portugal for further questioning.

  According to Newspaper Correio da Manha, Judge Pedro Daniel dos Anjos blocked the police request, meaning a letter of appeal will now be sent to Britain, setting out the new questions Portuguese detectives want to ask the couple.”

  I don’t know what the article you posted originally said, but they update these articles pretty quickly, and you may read one thing in it and then it changes to something else. But from the sounds of this, the judge in portugal rejected the prosecutors request to bring the mccanns back to portugal for questioning, doens’t mean their innocent, it just means that they may not want them back in portugal at the moment while they search for maddie, it’s possible their afraid that the mccanns might try to hinder the investigation further by being present there. Makes sense to me. Plus, since everyone is so convinced hte portugal police have screwed up so badly in this case, it makes sense to let the UK police handle alot of this stuff, considering most in the UK feel that the UK is so much better at investigating, etc, then portugal, at least this way, if more evidence against the mccanns comes out, it now also reflects poorly maybe on the UK police’s ability to investigate a case??

  Oh and I liked this part:
  “A McCann family spokeswoman said today: “We have been in touch with the lawyers to try and get a steer on what is in the Portuguese papers. They assure us we have had no request to date for any further questioning, either from the Portuguese police or in the UK.” Seems I’m not the only one whose “relying” on the press to say what’s going on in this case? Why would your attornies be worrying about what is being said in the papers, especially for any upcoming interviews, etc, unless their not referring to media papers, but court papers? Sounds to me like their reading the newspapers to get a heads up of what is happening next against them? Or are they just waiting to jump on another lawsuit against a newspaper?

  It also states in that article link posted by Kathy:

  “The McCanns legal team are looking into the case in which a US judge threw out the “evidence” of sniffer dogs.” I thought they were in the UK, why are they worrying about how something was handled in the US? Sounds to me like their just trying to find another way to discredit stuff being thrown at them, or evidence which could be presented against them! If sniffer dogs are not “legal” in a court preceding for obtaining evidence, then how can sniffer dogs that find drugs in a car be allowed in drug cases? Again, their in the UK, not the US, so why are they trying this tactic now? Oh it’s because they now want to get sniffer dogs involved to try to find the body where they think it could be, that’s right, well gee, why would you worry about what the dogs “might find” if your innocent? Have the dogs sniff the area, if a body is found, dig the area up. The area that they want to search is an area that if need be could be dug up again, the area in the case the mccanns are referring to in the US involed a cement basement floor, something that couldn’t easily be torn apart without tearing down the house. Also I thought I had read where it stated the police were not only going to use dogs but also some kind of device that can look underground for bodies. Seems to me the mccanns are trying to hide something possibly by not wanting the dogs to be used, I know if I was completely innocent, I would be volunteering lie detector tests and whatever other means necessary to prove my innocense, not try to throw more doubt on myself!

• Susan
  Sep 17, 2007 at 11:25 am

  When you look at the list of “police blunders” on that link, you really have to stop and think…here in the states, when a child is “abducted”, the families home is not “closed up”, unless it is later discovered that something may have happened in the home, and that could be weeks later sometimes! Unless foul play is suspected right off the bat, the family isn’t forced out of their home and caution tape put up, except for in the Ramsey case…where the child died in the home!

  Also, as far as roadblocks, etc, not being set up until almost 12 hours later….we have amber alerts going off all the time around my house, BUT, the roads in and out of the city are not closed off and cars searched, etc, and alot of times, the cops don’t take your “missing persons” case until the person has been missing for so many hours (in some cases 24 hours), so this doesn’t seem strange to me that the police didn’t block the roads and search cars right away!

  Yes, usually police don’t always believe the child was abducted, if they suspect their family had anything to do with the disappearance, they will quesiton the family, etc, and go from there, so it’s only normal that the family are usually the first ones who aren’t believed and are questioned to make sure foul play hasn’t occured!

  House to house inquires not started for 48 hours, and guests being allowed to leave, etc, well, again, first off, usually to get a guest list you have to have a courtorder, here in the states it’s to protect the privacy of the guests. Again, unless foulplay is suspected, sometimes it might be a week before the guest list is received, witnesses are sought, etc, so again, this doens’t seem out of the norm! No fingerprints done? Seems kind of pointless to do fingerprints to some degree, considering how many people were already in the room (staff, friends, family, etc), and how many people could already have come and gone from that room leading up to the days before she “disappeared”, seems to me they probably wouldn’t have found any decent prints except possibly of those of the mccanns and their kids throughout the room. The window was open, the door was unlocked, most people who are going to abduct a child are going to wear gloves, and their not going to touch alot of stuff in the room, their going to go in, grab what they want, and leave, leaving no trace that they’ve been there! As far as her cudle cat toy, what evidence could really be found on it now anyway? It could have been washed, and considering kate has never let go of it, lord only knows what could be on it now, plus, considering maddie carried this toy with her everywhere, what new evidence could it really show? And maybe kate has refused to let it go (remember this toy was sitting on a high shelf during the time that maddie came up missing, for all we know kate or gerry put it there!)

  I don’t really see how all of these are blunders on the police’s part, most of it sounds like normal procedure, and although some are questionable to some, it doesn’t mean that the police have failed to do their jobs as well. Sounds like to me people are trying to justify the mccanns theory that the police are after them!

• Robot B9
  Sep 17, 2007 at 1:41 pm

  What was it you said? “the extreme that people say”?

  Susan, you hold the record on extreme lengthy posts.

  And for someone to go to such extreme lengths of posts there has to be some sort of emotion involved. What is it with you? Why do you hate these people so much? How would you feel if the tables were turned and I were posting the trash you have been about you instead?

• Susan
  Sep 17, 2007 at 2:21 pm

  whatever robot, just because my posts are lengthy does not mean I hate someone, I thought we were discussing the topic, not having to count our words that we type! why is it when someone expresses an opinion different then someone elses they are suddenly “jumped upon” and bashed? my posts are lengthy because I was trying to share how I’ve come to my opinion, if you don’t want to read them, then don’t, and don’t comment to me about how long they are or how much I hate this or that person. I could ask you “Why does everyone love the mccanns then?” They have not once shown that they DIDN’T have anything to do with her disappearance, and when they started saying the police are framing them and that they have no faith in the police, it seems everyone else has jumped on that bandwagon with them. I’m mearly looking at it from the police’s point of view, from other’s points of view who believe that they did have something to do with her disappearance, it’s not because I hate them, I already stated that I don’t hate them, but I hate some of their actions and things that they’ve stated, etc, you can hate someone’s actions and comments, but that doesn’t mean you hate the person themselves! it seems anytime I post now, no matter where it is, I get bashed for a lengthy post or for my opinions, well maybe I’ll just stop coming to this site then, answering emails that are sent to me requesting info for other stories to be posted, etc, because it’s apparent that just because I think their guilty, or I offer other points of view, that most here are not able to handle those points of view and are still wanting to live inside their little boxes.

• April RJ
  Sep 17, 2007 at 3:43 pm

  Hi Susan! I have to say that the Bring Madeline Home website made me question the parents. In the section “About Madeline” there was all of 2 details about the little girl. It seemed to be more about the family. That was not the only part of the site that I questioned but that stands out most to me. I would think that these people are sending a message asking for the return of their daughter. It would have been a little more personal. Not to mention the journal part. The parents talk about running along the coast and going to shops, visiting with friends and the twins enjoying pool time with older children. UMMMMM - Hello!! What about all of the time that they should be spending looking for their little girl???? If my child was missing I would not rest until they were found and the person responsible for taking them was caught!! These people actions (and words) are very strange to say the least.

• Susan
  Sep 18, 2007 at 9:08 am

  And April, I do find it strange that now the mccanns are claiming they want to live “as normal as possible now” and “get on with life the best they can with the twins”, first of all, why is that now such high importance, when in the beginning they have rarely spent much time with the twins and wasn’t worried about returning home to try to make life “normal”, and, it sounds like to me that they’ve “given up” maybe? I really do question ALOT of their actions, statements, etc, after all, THEY are the ones that started this major media chaos, and THEY are the ones that decided to stay in portugal to find maddie instead of returning home and doing the same type of work from home, now all of a sudden they return home and expect all of this to just go away now that the fingers are pointing in their direction? Seems odd to me!

• April RJ
  Sep 18, 2007 at 11:14 am

  Hmmmmm. I can’t wait to see how this all plays out. I have had an uneasy feeling about the family from day one!

• Susan
  Sep 18, 2007 at 11:57 am

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=482490&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&ct=5&expand=true#StartComments

  Portuguese police fly into Britain to quiz McCanns again
  Last updated at 19:52pm on 18th September 2007

  well apparently now, the portuguese police have flown into britain to sit in while the british police question the mccanns some more. Now the mccanns are stating that more then 30 family members and friends used that car, and that maddies things were transported in the car so that’s how her dna got back there…..how much stuff could one little girl really have with her on vacation, and how could sweat from a shoe of maddies be passed onto these back areas of the car by simply transporting her shoes after she went missing? And if this is a rental car, most car rental agreements state that your not going to allow anyone else to drive the car, for insurance purposes, so why were the mccanns allowing 30 or more other people besides themselves to drive this car around? If anything, if they had that many friends and family members there in portugal with them, why weren’t all those people out helping search on foot for maddie, etc? Sounds like one big family holiday to me at the expense of those who donated! Also, why wasn’t this information released to the police that so many people have used this rental car until now? No wonder the police couldn’t confinscate the car, someone was always driving it!

  And how is it that the british police are now investigating all of this, the “crime” didn’t happen in the UK, it happened in portugal, so wouldn’t that mean portugal has jurisdiction, and that the british police would be assisting them instead of taking over the case? Several others have commented on the above article how the mccanns have turned this into “their story” in the media, instead of making it about maddie, and I agree with that, they have been VERY self centered in all of this and have done absolutely nothing in my eyes to help in finding maddie! For parents who so badly want to get their daughter back, why won’t they allow sniffer dogs and the like to come in and assist in looking for her? You would think they would want to use every possible resource, right down to psychics, etc, to try and do everything possible to find their daughter, not argue in a courtroom about over methods used to find her! This is all starting to sound like more and more of a coverup on the mccanns part, THEY are the ones that have been refusing to answer police questions, withholding evidence, etc, and now the whole focus of this case has been turned away from actually finding maddie to once again about kate and gerry, seems they like the limelight!!

• angie
  Sep 18, 2007 at 3:49 pm

  I agree about the website. Originally I felt for them but couldn’t understand why they left those kids alone. When I went to the website I found it extremely exploitive and it gave me a bad feeling. I hope that money goes to needy children somewhere - anywhere.

• momwithtwo
  Sep 19, 2007 at 10:06 am

  Personally, I think they are doing what ANY parents would do in a situation like this…

  I have read so many articles on this, the pros and cons against them…

  I don’t think they did it, but I think MANY people are looking to point the finger somewhere on this, but I honestly don’t think the parents have anything to do with this missing little girl.

  I think there really isn’t any evidence against the parents. Like the parents say, every thing is explainable…

  I guess I could never imagine being in their situation, their daughter was taken and NOW they are being blamed for it…

  To speculate why their website is the way it is…or why the are doing some of the things they are doing for media attention…is most likely in hopes of finding their daughter.

• momwithtwo
  Sep 19, 2007 at 10:10 am

  (((And if this is a rental car, most car rental agreements state that your not going to allow anyone else to drive the car, for insurance purposes, so why were the mccanns allowing 30 or more other people besides themselves to drive this car around?))))

  they never said they let other people drive this car…this is an assumption…
  the only said 30 people or so, whom are blood relatives were in the car…

• angie
  Sep 19, 2007 at 10:24 am

  I think you’re in denial Mom. Think about it - right from the start, leaving them alone? Checking on them periodically? I hate to compare what I would do to anyone else as we all react differently but first of all how do you get over the guilt of leaving them - then the loss of this beautiful child is (because of the parent’s bad choice?) If it were me I would be doing everything I could to help while I wasn’t laying on the floor sobbing. I certainly wouldn’t be as presentable as these parents have been.

• momwithtwo
  Sep 19, 2007 at 10:42 am

  I don’t think I am in denial. Before this I have left my children alone in a hotel room, bringing a monitor with me so I could hear everything. I didn’t leave the room unlocked, but I also don’t consider myself a bad mom because of it.

  In their culture this is acceptable, regardless if we choose to understand it or agree with it, different cultures do different things. After this story I haven’t done it, and won’t do it again.

  I think these parents are being ripped apart by the media. There are many many inaccurate reports.

  We cannot speculate their immediate reactions, we weren’t there, who said they didn’t cry. How can we judge them based on a picture taken by hounding media following you around…I know I wouldn’t smile.

  And I wouldn’t just sit at home either, I would bring my remaining children to the park, I would do anything to take the focus off for even a moment. It is not like the parents are the only ones looking for her. Many times the police tell you to sit back and wait, and many times the family is told to not join the search based on what might be found.

  These parents in my opinion have shown great strength, and they will have to remain to show that strength, for us, for the media and really for each other.

• Susan
  Sep 19, 2007 at 4:51 pm

  What amazes me is the amount of people who act like the press just one day decided to start hounding the mccanns and following them everywhere they went. THE MCCANNS are the ones that has gotten the media involved HEAVILY since day one, getting all these sports stars, celebrities, etc, trying to help them find their children, these sports stars, etc, even went so far as to do tv spots concerning finding maddie, the mccanns themselves from the beginning have said they could never go back to a “normal” life until maddie was found, and they are the ones that chose to stay in portugal on a vigil of not returning home until she was found. NOW, they want the media to leave them alone, they’ve gone home and now want to be “normal”, all of the friends and famly are so focused on proving their innocent that I haven’t read one thing on the mccann site on what they’ve tried to do to find maddie despite the fingers pointing their way, etc, no they’ve talked about how they’ve gone for a jog, went to church, etc, NOT ONCE have they put any kind of an update stating they’ve hired a private investigator to find her, etc. They keep making pleas to the media that whoever has her to return her, but that’s it! And where are these sports stars, celebrities, etc now? Why are none of them still on tv pushing to find maddie, or trying to convince people the mccanns are innocent? Again, these two haven’t shown me great strength other then strength in trying to prove their innocence to the media, strength to me is a parent still actively trying to find their child, strength to me is admitting you did something wrong (like leaving the kids alone night after night for many hours, etc, even those in the UK don’t agree with them leaving their children alone like they did, so it must not be that much of a cultural thing there to do that!), helping to pass laws that would correct issues in finding missing children, etc. I haven’t seen these two advocate anything on behalf of ANY child that has gone missing, much less their own child! Obviously gary’s trip to the US to speak with people at the national missing children’s program didn’t teach him anything because I haven’t heard him doing anything with the “knowledge” he got there to help find maddie. Even their own friends and family can’t keep their stories straight! Sorry, but I just don’t feel their innocent!

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 5:48 am

  Why apologize for something you feel? I am not going to apologize because I think they are innocent.

  They aren’t allowed by law to hire a PI in an ongoing investigation. They tried, but they aren’t allowed to. They wanted to have their own test done on the rental car but were denied, because of the law.

  The media works in ways to bring in their own business, we the people who have been following this story have only helped the media bring it to what it is. More readers equals higher demands for reporters to get the ‘best story’ out there, hence the speculation as not all reports read are necessarily true. The McCanns started with the media to find their daughter, I would too, what step would you take to try to find your missing child? How else can you reach millions of people to let them know your child is missing? They aren’t asking the media to stop, not completely, they are asking for the speculation to stop. Again, who wouldn’t?

  Maybe Portugal asked them to return home, you don’t know that, I don’t know that. Look at the negative attention their case has brought a high TOURIST area? Maybe they told them there is nothing more you can do here, let us do our investigation this is all together very possible.

  They actually did share regrets of leaving their children unattended. It can be found in one of the media reports out there. I would think that with as much chaos in what happened the evening Maddie went missing, naturally conflicting stories would appear. I feel Kate’s words from her diary were taken out of context, using one or two words she used out of an entire diary to ‘prove’ she may be a nut case, proves people take only what they believe or want to believe and close the door on the rest of the story.

  You do realize the McCanns aren’t the ones who literally maintain the website, they have a team working for them on that website. Gerry updates, but he doesn’t distribute or handle any of the funds coming in.

  Truth be told, they don’t have enough evidence against the McCanns to be able to say they did it neither does anyone else, that is why they haven’t been arrested or charged. Forensic evidence can be found years later, so yes something off other of the other children or simply off a shoe, a blanket a piece of her clothes could easily be found in the rental car. Remember there are many many things we do not know, because there is an on going investigation…not just against the McCanns, but with finding a missing child.

  The saying goes those who judge the hardest now, will be judge the hardest on their judgment day…

• Shel
  Sep 20, 2007 at 7:47 am

  Mom - It’s good to hear someone else isn’t convinced that they murdered their daughter. Thanks for the info on the PI. I didn’t know they had tried, but I’m not surprised the police don’t want PI’s snooping around and possibly ruining evidence that could help locate Maddie.

  My question is, after all the stories of children being abducted and found alive months or even years later, why is there such conviction that Maddie is dead? A few micro-specks of blood don’t convince me of murder or death.

  I think the whole rental car thing is getting out of control. Of course there is transference within a family unit. Good grief, I have hair and fibers on my clothing today that I am sure is from brushing my daughter’s hair, holding the cat, hugging and kissing my husband. I bet some of it came off in my car! GASP!

  I also don’t think there is anything wrong with the McCann’s wanting to offer their twins a chance at normalcy while all this chaos is going on. I don’t think the McCann’s have stopped worrying or searching or hoping that Maddie will be found, but I also can TOTALLY understand that neglecting and leaving your twins alone during this time would be devastating to them! Come on, if my DD or DS were missing I would be a wreck, but DS or DD still has to go to school and maintain a normal life to some degree. What else is the family suppose to do? Sit around and wait and do nothing?

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 9:01 am

  there hasn’t been any proof either (except just their word) that they DIDN’T have anything to do with her disappearance! So they can’t hire a PI, okay, then why are they wanting to fight in court about the use of sniffer dogs to possibly find her, even if it’s to find her dead body? Alot of missing child cases use sniffer dogs to try to find traces of the child, why are the mccanns so against the use of these dogs, even if it’s for the polices purpose of trying to find a body? I find it ironic that they want to disprove the use of the sniffer dogs but are now considering using satellite images to maybe show their “innocence”, although first off, why wasn’t this tactic used already, and, these images may not hold up in a courtroom as evidence, so why are they wanting to use a method themselves that is questionable, but yet wanting to deny the police the ability to use a method that could be questionable? I thought the overall goal was to find maddie, not spend time bickering about what methods are used to find her?

  Also, you say we don’t know what the police may have said to them about going home, etc, true, BUT how do we also know that the police didn’t tell them to stay? After all, the portugal police wanted to bring the mccanns back to portugal for more questioning, BUT they were denied being able to do so, becasue now the UK is handling the investigation, sounds to me if portugal was so worried about their tourist stuff, they wouldn’t be wanting them to come back for anything, even questioning! The mccanns have publicly voiced their opinions about the police since day one, everytime something has pointed in their direction as being involved the mccanns have retaliated with “their after us”, or “the police don’t know how to do their jobs”, and yet the mccanns have been withholding info from the police, they have been quick to smear the police themselves, and they are suddenly so convinced within their little “team” that Murat has something to do with maddie’s disappearance and are trying to condemn him, yet where is their proof he was even involved, and why are they trying to ruin his life and want him so badly reinvestigated? Obviously, if the police have felt since day one that the mccanns may have had something to do with maddie’s disappearance, then obviously something with some relivance gave them that idea! Could it be because the mccanns can’t keep their stories straight, they keep telling different timeframes of when they checked on their children, when the child was last seen asleep in bed, not answering police questions as asked, etc. Obviously information has been leaked on this case, I’m sure it’s not just some newsreporter sitting behind their desk coming up with things to just sell papers, usually there has to be some kind of information given for even the media to “run off” with something, and again, although those involved in the investigation aren’t allowed to speak publicly about the case, that doesn’t mean that the documents, court recrods, etc, are not public informaiton while the investigation is going on!

  Up to this point, the mccanns havne’t worried about given the twins a “normal” type of existance, they didn’t return home to the children’s normal surroundings but chose to stay in portugal, and instead of them spending time with the twins, they were off on trips visiting the US, the pope, etc, why not take the twins as well then? All the news station interviews they did, trips to spain, etc, why not include the twins in all of that, if anything to show what a family they truely are, to let people see how this has affected the twins, etc, I mean after all, if your going to play on heartstrings for your daughers “return”, then why not be more involved as a family then in expressing your point? I also find it ironic that now new pictures of maddie are appearing, there haven’t been any new pictures released of her until now (now that the finger is pointing in their direction again), and those pictures are of maddie even younger, could it be just another play on people’s emotions to make people feel sorry for gerry and kate and to try to persuade people their innocent? gerry has gotten mad at interview questions from news people, gotten mad and stormed out of the room when certain questions asked, he’s a doctor, surely he knows how to keep his cool (since everyone claims they are doing so well keeping their emotions in tact) when confronted with challengling questions, if you can’t answer a question, state that and redirect the interview, you don’t get pissed and storm out of the room! Sorry, too many actions, comments, etc, that make me think their guilty, things that apparently others are overlooking! Out of all of the missing children’s cases I’ve watched on tv, read about, etc, these two DEIFNITELY have not acted like the “normal” type of parents who truely are innocent, no, they’ve acted more like those parents who we hear about later that actually had something to do with their child’s disappearance who the whole time have been trying to cover their tracks! I’m sure if a behaviour specialist (body language, etc type of thing) were to look at their actions, words, etc, I’m sure they would agree these two are hiding something! I still don’t understand (and apparently no one can answer this question that proves to me anything different) why so many people are so convinced they are innocent! Sorry, a few tears, etc, does not prove to me that they are innocent, I can fake tears too, the new pictures of maddie released plays on my heart strings, but not towards them!

• angie
  Sep 20, 2007 at 9:14 am

  As far as the website goes - they may not be the ones creating it - but they can’t see with their own eyes that something’s not right - they must like it - it must feed them somehow. I’m sorry I hate to believe that they did it but I’m not young & naive anymore. It usually turns out to be a parent or if it’s the wife that’s killed it’s usually the husband. I remember the first time as an adult that I heard of a baby go missing and I just knew they would find her alive - I couldn’t imagine anyone hurting a baby but it turned out to be the mother. That was 22 years ago. I believed their story originally but now - it’s just too much…

• angie
  Sep 20, 2007 at 9:16 am

  Susan what’s the deal about them not wanting to use sniffer dogs - THAT sounds suspicious! Details?

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 9:38 am

  angie, apparently the portugal police have an idea of where maddie’s body might be. For several days after her “disappearance”, there was some kind of road work going on close to the apartment they stayed in. The police think that her body may be buried under all of this, that during the time that she went “missing”, that this area was a perfect place to “dump” a body, because it was being filled in and no one was really paying attention, it was alot of lose dirt, etc. The portugal police are wanting to use caniver dogs, dogs that can sniff out dead bodies, as well as some other technology that can locate bodies buried under things, to check this area to see if maddie’s body could be buried there. The mccanns are arguing and disputing this, siting some case in the US (the case was where these caniver dogs came in and “found” bodies buried in a basement of a house, under concrete, and the person was convicted) that they feel will wrongfully acuse them of murdering maddie. Now granted, sniffer dogs aren’t 100% accurate, but, considering the area they believe maddie’s body could be buried, that area can easily be dug up if something is “found”, whereas the US case the basement floor couldn’t obviously be torn up without knocking the house down. The mccanns are arguing with this new high priced attorney of theirs on whether the dogs should be allowed to be used or not, I don’t see what the big deal is unless your hiding something, after all, the portuguese police have already stated that if a body is found, they will dig it up to be sure, so I don’t see why the mccanns are argueing the use of these dogs and the other device to check this area to see if her body is there or not! If I was innocent, I would say go for it, if a body is found, demand it be dug up (which can be done in this case because it’s just some small street area type of thing that wouldn’t affect anything being torn back up), and let it be investigated. If they have nothing to worry about, and maddie’s body isn’t there, then why argue the point? Also, how do the mccanns know for sure that maybe her body ISN”T there? Again, do they have knowledge of something that they haven’t shared with the police? It really makes me quesiton them, because a parent who is truely innocent and has nothing to fear would again do everything possible to find their child, even if they think the police are on a wild goose chase! The mccanns are wanting to use these satelite images to see what was going on in the area, they think this should be allowed although these methods are questionable as evidence in a courtroom (like the dogs are questionable at times as well), their hoping that the satelite images might show someone carrying maddie off, leading her away, whatever. The thing is, these images are easier to tamper with then the dogs, someone can photoshop these images to add or delete what they see fit, whereas a dog sniffing for a dead body is harder to fake, especially if you dig up the area and there’s a body there! If they find a body and it’s not maddies’, then maybe they have helped to solve another crime! Again, I just really question their actions towards means to finding maddie, I would go so far myself to hire a psychic to help find my child if it were me! I would exhaust all resources available to find my child, not spend precious time in court arguing over methods used to find her!

• angie
  Sep 20, 2007 at 9:47 am

  I don’t see how they would have any say in the matter.

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 9:58 am

  And I’d like to point out, the only reason the mccanns have not been charged with anything to date is because the POLICE DO NOT HAVE A BODY! If and when maddie is found, whether dead or alive, is when the mccanns can legally be charged with something if they are involved! Without the body, we all know there isn’t a case, it’s all assumption on the police’s part, and I think right now that’s what the mccanns are banking on in their plea of innocence! Her body (if she is dead) may never be found, therefore, without any other concrete evidence, the mccanns would never be charged, and no one else as well!

  I think the stuff with kate’s diary is important, I don’t think words have been taken out and exaturated, etc, but, what she has expressed in her diary is important because it shows the amount of stress she is under raising these kids, yes, stress as parents we have all felt, BUT, for all we know, she could have stated more in her diary then we’re aware of, maybe she has expressed wanting to kill her children in her diary, maybe she has expressed resentment towards them or gerry, etc. I have a hard time believing that those of you questioning all of the diary are complete idiots that don’t see what kind of a pattern the police are looking for by looking at her diary. Take for example the columbine shooting, or the Vtech shooting, when police and behaviour specialists/investigators have gone back to quesiton about these people’s pasts, their feelings, etc, those involved in the shootings showed VERY significant signs of potential for violence, these people kept diaries, etc, as well, which came to show thier mindsets at the time of the killings. kate is showing alot of signs of stress with having to be the primary caregiver to her children, she has expressed some resentment towards gerry for leaving her alone to deal with them by herself while he was off on golf outings, etc, so it shows that her mental state of mind COULD very well lead her to do something, even not intential, to her children, even if it’s to calm them down so she could get a few hours of quiet time to herself! I do think it’s funny that she showed signs of resentment towards gerry in her diary for leaving her to care for these kids on her own, and yet he’s now the one doing all the talking for her, and, has “ran off” numerous on trips to the US, etc, leaving her and the kids alone yet again! There’s a pattern there, I see it, and I can honestly see the point of the police focusing on her diary to shed some light on her state of mind prior to maddie’s disappearance! Wake up folks, quit trying to sugarcoat the obvious, just like with postpartum depression, her diary has spoke volumes apparently to the police that has convinced them that she may have unintentially done something to her little girl! Isn’t too far fetched to me….you want to have a quiet evening alone with your friends and family, you don’t want your screaming kids, who you’ve dealt with all day, interferring with that, so maybe you give your child something to help them sleep more soundly and for a longer perioid of time (like giving them a sedative, benedryl, cough syrup, etc), so you can at least relax for a few hours, but maybe you accidentally gave your child too much, and now you regret that! I do feel for kate on that, if she did give maddie something that accidentally killed her, she must feel horrible, and I can understand COMPLETELY (I’m a single mother to two kids!) about the stress of having the kids ALL the time while your significant other is out and about, I can COMPLETELY understand wanting some quiet time, but I’ve never drugged my kids either to do so! If this is truely what happened to maddie, that mommy just gave her the wrong dose of something, then yes, I feel sorry for them for having to have lost their child due to stress in life and wanting to have some quiet time. BUT, I don’t feel for them for the coverup they’ve done to hide what happened either! Sad thing is, if kate did accidentally overdose maddie on something, she probably would have been cleared and forgiven if she had fessed up to it right away, but if it’s found now that they covered up her death and faked a disappearance, then kate AND gerry both will now spend their lives in prison! Guess it just goes to show that you should really think about your actions before you do them!

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 10:10 am

  I’ll tell you another thing I find strange, is now all of these “witnesses” who have suddenly come forward, witnesses who now creating the image of the parents as being innocent in everything. That seems a little conveinent don’t you think? Where were all of these witnesses in the beginning, good grief, this case got international attention, how is it that these witnesses are just now coming forward 4 months later to suddenly “paint” the mccanns as innocent, during a time when the they are main suspects in this case? That seems way too convient for me! Especially when the witnesses at the beginning stated the mccanns reacted in negative ways to her “disappearance” that made the police question the mccanns and their involvement, where have these witnesses been all this time????? This just all seems a little a little too convient on the behalf of the mccanns to me! It seems like everytime something negative points at the mccanns (which has continously been the pattern over the past several months), suddenly all this NEW evidence/witnesses, etc, appears that says differently. I just wish they would hurry up and find either maddie’s body or find her alive, because this whole thing has seemed strange from day one, and keeps getting even more “convient” for the mccanns everytime police show the parents had something to do with all of this!

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 10:13 am

  here’s the article:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=482870&in_page_id=1770

  in it it states:
  “A source close to the family criticised Portuguese police for making the McCanns official suspects in the case - before speaking to the seven friends on holiday with the couple about whether the McCanns could have faked their distress so convincingly. ” I thought they interviewed these people, these people are the ones that were checking on their kids as well, one of the women in this group stated she saw a man carrying a small child in a blanket at the same time their male friend went to check on the kids. Now these “witnesses” have changed THEIR stories as well? Now we’re to believe that they were never interviewed in the beginning of all of this? I’m not buying it! Seems none of them can keep their stories straight!

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 10:23 am

  Technically, they didn’t decline the use of sniffer dogs anywhere. They are speaking with the attorney in the states because of the accuracy of the sniffer dogs of what exactly the sniffer dogs pick up. A sniffer dog isn’t the most accurate tool in an investigation, the percentages of accuracy is rather low. They base the find on the dogs reaction, however these dogs are trained in several scents of which they are to search for. If they had let the dog sniff Maddies sweater, that is the scent that dog is looking for, that scent could be on ANY family member who has ever come into contact with Maddie. Remember in the Jessie Davis case, where the sniffer dogs had a SOLID lead and it turned out to be pot…I am pretty sure I would defend myself too if I truthfully didn’t do anything and had to resort to defending myself.

  Young, naive? is that what you think I am, by three posts? So because one parent ever so long ago was guilty and you didn’t think they were…that automatically makes these people guilty? That doesn’t even make sense.

  They planned to go back home before they were questioned, if the police had more on them or any thing that was absolutely solid they would have held them in Portugal. Instead they let them go home. Then the Judge in Portugal even said there isn’t a solid case against them so at this time there will be no more interviewing the McCanns. And it wasn’t the McCanns, but it WAS the police in Portugal who wanted to reconsider Mr. Murat because of possible ties he might or might not have with the McCanns.

  Susan, do you know exactly when you would cry or when you wouldn’t cry, when you would feel pressure or when you would get so upset because of being questioned hard about something you didn’t do by the press? You had to have experienced this before to be able to make such positive remarks as to how you would behave under pressure in a situation such as this one. So the truth is because they aren’t reacting how you would react, then they are guilty, right? He is a doctor, he is not a trained mute, he is not trained to not have emotions or reactions…yes folks even Mr. McCann is (gasp) human…

  I am pretty sure I would break down, get mad at questions I was tired of defending, because that is what I do when someone thinks I have done something I haven’t…gotten so upset I appear guilty…it is a natural reaction of a human, it is also a natural reaction for someone who is nervous to smile…

  Just because their website does not say exactly what you would like them to say in regards to finding Maddie, what steps are being taken…I really don’t think that means they aren’t looking. I don’t think we have heard many details on what exact steps they have taken so far anyway…

  I guess I didn’t realize the McCanns had power over the police in Portugal to deny them the right to not use sniffer dogs at the road work site. If the police really thought Maddie was there, they would look there, but then again it just might show the competence of the system especially if they are seeking permission from Mr. McCann.

  I am not close minded as to the fact I might be wrong about the parents, I just don’t see anything against them that is not explainable.

  I had a dog die last year, and oddly I still find her hair in places in my house…I must be keeping her body….how else would you explain her hair a year later still in my house.

• angie
  Sep 20, 2007 at 10:38 am

  No silly - one guilty parent so long ago doesn’t make them suspects - all the dead children and guilty caregivers that’s what makes them suspects - guilty? Probably, but not for me to say. Sniffer dogs would be used to find the BODY not sniff out the guilty party - if they found some pot - great everyone could just sit back, relax and let the dogs continue doing their job. I don’t think YOU are naive - I was naive back so long ago - now I am just wary in a world where parents (as this very board shows) torture and mame their children - Maddie being killed accidently or whatever by one of her parents pales compared to other things that we’ve seen on this board - what’s so shocking about the possibility that they are guilty? In the beginning I said you were in denial not Naive.

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 10:39 am

  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2459924.ece

  this is a very interesting article.

• Shel
  Sep 20, 2007 at 10:46 am

  The McCann’s went through countless infertility treatments (most of which didn’t work) in order to conceive Maddie. They waited until they were ready to begin that horrible process again to conceive their twins. These were not two people who had unplanned children that they never wanted and felt burdened with. I have friends who went through infertility and there is a lot of physical and emotional pain involved in the process. I am not buying your argument that Kate was overwhelmed and wanted to kill her children. Her twins were old enough that she was well out of any kind of postpartum depression, so that doesn’t fit your argument either.

  As far as being mad at her husband for not being involved enough in the child rearing…don’t most of us women complain about that? I would think you would Susan if you are raising two children all by yourself. Are you resentful that your ex is not around to help with the kids?

  Witnesses - nope, I’m not finding it strange at all that people who care about the McCanns family have hung back (to not take publicity away from the search for Maddie) and are now stepping forward as character witnesses while the McCann’s are being called suspects, murderers and the like. I would hope I too would have a support system in place if I ever needed it. IMO they are lucky to have these witnesses come forward on their behalf.

  Finally, Susan, you keep talking about all of the things you would do if one of your children came up missing. Exactly how would you finance all of this? PI’s and psychics are not free and they aren’t part of the services the police and investigators provide. How would you afford to travel to different news stations to keep your child’s name fresh on people’s minds? How exactly would you go about it? You are a single mom with two kids, so in order to not be like the McCann’s, you would have to pay double for each plane ticket for you and your other child to travel and you would have to both retell your story over and over again to millions of people. So, that wouldn’t be traumatic to your child? Keep in mind when you respond about making a plea to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children, your missing child is one in a thousand they will see that year. Why would they post a billboard or milk carton ads or anything else for your child over someone elses? Do you see the point I am in making in why the McCann’s set up a place for donations? You may not agree with how they are spending it, but maybe if you were the one missing a child we wouldn’t agree with how you spent your money.

  Just seems to me like you are casting a lot of stones based off of news reports. Since we know you don’t know the McCann’s and aren’t in Portugal or the UK, the only information you are getting is the same as we are getting and just as you are so convinced from these reports, others are not.

  BTW-Those dogs “failed” over 68% of the time in locating a corpse or scent of one. I’m not sure I would want time wasted on them either!

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 20, 2007 at 10:57 am

  The one thing EVERYONE seems to be missing is that according to portugeuse law, they can’t release ANY information in an ongoing investigation. Almost everything you have read or seen on the news abuot this case is SPECULATION, and nothing more.

  Even the britts have been very tight lipped about this case.

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 11:07 am

  AMEN To: STUPIPPLSHLDNTBREED!!! By the way that is a long name for me to re-write…hoping I got everything!
  Even the Spokesperson for the Portugeuse quit and started working for the McCanns…

  angie…thank you for your clarification…and technically in this situation I think each of us posting our thoughts is completely naive to this type of situation, unless we have actually lost a child, had a child kidnapped or something dreadfully worse…we really cannot comprehend why the McCanns are behaving the way they are behaving.

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 11:10 am

  the police aren’t asking for tehir permission to use the dogs, the only people the police need permission from is from their own governing bodies, which is who they are waiting on permission from (the judges involved). They can’t go search anywhere until they have proper search warrants, etc, so unless the judge signs a search warrant to search the area, the police can’t go and search that area. BUT the mccanns weren’t saying whether the police could use the dogs or not, what the mccanns are disputing is what could be found, which could say their guilty. They are fighting the use of the dogs as evidence in the courtroom, dogs that haven’t even been used yet, so why fight so hard when nothing has been done yet? Why are they questioning the use of the dogs, why are they questioning whether any evidence found by the dogs can be used against them in a court of law, why are they insisting that it not be allowed as evidence, etc? These are the questions that THEY put into my head that makes me question them!

  I’m not dense to how hair, etc, can be transferred. You say everything against them is explainable, but alot of the explanations they give DON’T MAKE SENSE! They have stated in their own words numerous things that they have come back and changed, not been consistant on, and although I may not know exactly how I would react if put in their shoes, the thing is, I do know that my memory of what happened that night would never change! How could your memory of that night change? That night something major happened in your life, you will ALWAYS remember the events of that night in detail! I remember alot of things that happened to me as a child, in vivid details (as a child, I may not remember the time something happened but what child looks at clocks and time the way adults do?), and everytime I tell what happened it stays consistant. These two and their “eyewitnesses” that night can’t seem to keep their stories straight, there’s always something, even if it’s minor, that has changed! I was always taught that first off, a person who’s lying can’t keep their stories consistant, a child is a perfect example of this becuase they don’t have the concept yet to “keep your story straight everytime you tell it”, so you can ask your child who ate the cookie, they will say johnny did, then hours later they will say the dog, etc. These two and their friends have not been consistant about that night! Also, a person who is guilty tends to get really pissed off more then a person who’s telling the truth, my grandmother used to always say “if your telling the truth, why would you get so mad?”. Usually a person hits a outburst of rage when they are feeling pressured into admitting to something they don’t want to admit to, they get frustrated and angry because they feel like they are being made to be dishonest, etc. Yes, I don’t like being wrongly accused of something, but, I’m also not about to throw a major hissy fit knowing that doing so would only make me look more guilty then I am! You can usually watch a person who’s lying build up to an angry outburst, I’ve seen this happen numerous times myself, and when they’ve reached their boiling point of being pressured, boom, they explode so to speak. If your not lying, why would it really bother you? Yes, I undersstand that your going to get upset, don’t get me wrong, but your also going to make sure your actions don’t suggest your guilty! According to the police, gerry got mad at the police and refused to answer these same types of questions, kate as well, now let me ask you this…if your innocent and trying to find your child, why would you refuse to answer the police’s questions, the police are trying to help you find your child, and of course the police are going to ask you the same questions over and over again, their looking for consistancy in what your saying, if your not staying consistant in asking the questions each time their asked, no matter how the question is asked, theres a good chance your lying! See my point? I would think if their completely innocent, they wouldn’t refuse to answer the police’s questions, and their answers would be consistant each time! Obviously the police feel their lying about something, or they wouldn’t be wanting to ask them those same quesitons yet again! Yeah, their human, but also, as many people have pointed out on why we don’t see them cry, they are doctors who have been trained to hide their emotions. I would think anger would be one of those emotions they would “hide” more easily, I don’t think I could hold back my tears, my child is gone, that sad emotion seems harder to hold back then the others, so since they are so good at keeping their sad emotions at bay, if their innocent, I would think anger would be a piece of cake to hold back!

• angie
  Sep 20, 2007 at 11:28 am

  Mom - it’s true we are all naive or actually ignorant because we just do not know - yes this is all speculation at this point - I realy thought the Murat guy was going to be the one at first - sick is what I thought - could that still be the case? Maybe but looks like that’s a dead end - why would they need the McCanns as scapegoats why not use Murat if they wanted to frame someone? An actually I have not lost a child but did lose a sister because of a babysitter’s neglect who, if it had happend nowadays would have been arrested. So my parents lost a child - my mother took to her bed and my father drank. We didn’t have to look for a body, she was there in front of my face - I was the only witness, the babysitter’s son drowned her while she was inside not watching us in an outside pool.

• angie
  Sep 20, 2007 at 11:31 am

  You may wonder how I could ever have been naive about what can happen to a child but I repressed so much of “that” and then had to face reality when I became an adult in the real world and watched the news -

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 11:32 am

  Shel, I never said she literally had intentions of killing her kids, but, if she worked so hard to have these children, wouldn’t it have made more sense then to protect them even more by getting a babysitter? Obviously they felt the need to have a babysitter during the day, the kids were dropped off and picked up every day from a daycare type of place. And no, I don’t buy that everyone in the UK leaves their kids alone, there are many in the UK who have expressed outrage at them leaving these kids alone, at night, so apparently that’s not the norm in the UK! If the parents felt it was important to have someone watch their chldren during the day, then wouldn’t the same rule of thumb apply even more at night? when it’s dark? and why would you leave a window open and doors unlocked? again, you’d want to protect these children you worked so hard to have at night like you would during the day! The post partum reference was an example, and my point about her diary was that if she always felt so overwhelmed by caring for these kids, then yes, it does show that there could have been some kind of “premeditative” thought there, maybe not murder, but definitely the fact that she was feeling overwhelmed and needed a break! If kate wrote in her diary about having to deal with maddie screaming for 18 hours, throwing her tantrums, etc, the twins being handfuls, etc, while gerry was always off somewhere doing something “fun”, why is that so hard for someone to swallow that she wouldn’t feel that way? Whether she had the kids naturally or not is not the issue, there are plenty of parents who have adopted a child and abused it, that doesn’t mean anything. What my point was by her diary is that obviously the police were looking for clues into kate’s state of mind, I think you missed my point on that!

• Shel
  Sep 20, 2007 at 11:47 am

  Kate and her husband were not poor or poverty stricken by any means. If Kate wanted a break from her kids, she could have afforded for someone to watch them and left to do something “fun” just as her husband did. Why would she be so tired of dealing with her kids if they were being dropped off at daycare everyday? That would mean that on the weekends was the only extended time she had with them and you are saying she wanted to murder them because she couldn’t handle Saturday and Sunday as a family. Ludicrous! And lets not forget they were on VACATION when Maddie went missing. How is that so stressful to be on a beautiful vacation with your family and friends. Yeah, I’d be stressed out and ready to kill my husband and my kids too.

  You are also trying to gauge how they should react to police questioning by your grandmothers word’s of wisdom to you as a child? Again, that’s just weird.

  Let me state that if I was being accused by the police of harming my child and I was not under arrest, you damn well better believe I would storm out pissed off and hire an attorney.

  You said the police were trying to help the McCann’s. That’s crap. The police are suppose to find Maddie or the person responsible for her disappearance. That makes everyone a suspect, including her parents. They aren’t trying to “help” the McCann’s look for Mattie. They are trying to help Maddie by finding her or her killer, kidnapper, who ever harmed her.

  Angie - your story is heart wrenching and I agree that in today’s society she would have been arrested for no less than child endangerment, child neglect, something. I’m sorry you lost your sister, hon.

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 11:57 am

  they used dogs to search the rental car…and the dog found ‘fluid’

  >

  have you ever watched someone get so visably angry trying to prove their innocence?
  I have, and I have done, and I am aware while doing it that it makes me look guilty, but have you ever gotten so upset with someone, and you have felt you have said your innocent enough times, that you literally just explode? I have done it and I have seen it…the whole theory about guessing someones innocence or guilt based upon their badgered reaction, is a catch 22 it can happen from either angle. The most innocent person who grew up in a defensive household, would have their first reaction to be a defense…and in some peoples eyes that is guilt. the rest of what you wrote…well never mind

  angie, I am truly sorry for what you experienced. It must have been terrible to stand and watch this happen. God Bless :)

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 11:57 am

  Shel, I think your missing my point, of course I wouldn’t have the money to pay for all of that, and I highly doubt that my child’s case would get worldwide attention, I’ve stated that before, and like I asked before, what has made maddie’s case any more special then any of the other missing children out there? My point…no, ALOT of children aren’t getting this kind of attention, and so then why aren’t more funds being created to help find all these other children? I know for a fact that no celebrities or sports stars would even give my chld’s missing case the time of day to speak about it, so why has maddie’s gotten that kind of attention? What has made maddie’s case so compelling that so many people across the world now know her name? And, I wouldn’t be surprised at the end of all this a movie is made, a book or two written about all of it, and why? First off, how would any of that bring any attention to any of the other missing children out there? Seems the stories would be focused on the mccanns and maddie, so the movie wouldn’t mention anything about any other missing children! Why has this case brought so much focus on one little girl out of a billion other children who go missing? Is is because the mccanns brought this on themselves? Well yeah, they helped to fuel all of this, and no one can blame them for wanting to find their daughter, BUT, I can almost guarantee what has shoved this so far into everyone’s minds…IT’S BECAUSE THEY LEFT THEIR CHILDREN ALONE THAT NIGHT! That my friends is what has brought so much attention to this case, and, that is what has cast so much doubt on the mccanns and their “innocence”. Look at the ramsey’s, their daughter was found dead in their home, but suddenly it turned into a media circus, why? Because they publicly asked for help in finding her murderer. Now, if I wasn’t anywhere around their home when this happened, they offered no real clue as to what this “person” looked like so I couldn’t have said whether I’ve seen the person or not, how could I help find the “murderer”? Honestly in that case, I felt the parents knew more in that case as well then they were letting on! And I think alot of the media hype on their part was to try to “clear their names” of any wrongdoing, they were prominent people in their community (as the mccanns are), and the thought of them murdering their child would have been a big disgrace and would probably have affected john’s career, etc, therefore the “image” of themselves up to that point would have been greatly compromised and tarnished to those around them that held such high regards for them! I feel that’s the case here with the mccanns. Yes, maddie is a beautiful little girl, but what makes her any different or more special then any of the other little girls that have disappeared and are still missing? Everyone knows that we have missing children, almost everyone knows the stories, etc, so it’s not like the mccanns were educating me in anyway about how to protect my child from being abducted, or how to find my child if she did come up missing! I never read anything on their website about maddie herself, her likes, her dislikes, her favorite color, etc, to me, all of those things would be VERY important to continously remind people of, because even though she’s “abducted”, her personality, her favorite toys, etc, wouldn’t change! But they don’t mention their memories of her, they talk about themselves! I don’t care to hear about them, I want to know more about maddie, so if I were to see a little girl that looks like her, says a word maybe like maddie does, etc, I would know that maybe I found where maddie is! I would be looking more closely at the children around me that fit her description, seeing if they have any of her personality traits, etc, see my point? The mccanns haven’t done that, all they keep talking about is themselves and their grief, who cares, yeah, your upset, you shouldn’t have left your kid you worked so hard to have alone that night, big deal, this isn’t supposed to be about you! I want to hear about MADDIE!

  Your right, I wouldn’t have the money to hire all those things, I would be lucky if anyone cared enough to even start a fund to find my child with, BUT THE MCCANNS DO, so instead of going on interviews to talk about yourself, go on the interviews to share with people who your daughter is!! They haven’t done that! The way they have gone about finding their daughter is not an example for the rest of us on how to do so, that’s for sure! Honestly, I can’t really see what their point has been all along, they haven’t really been clear about it other then asking the public to find their daughter and to accept that their innocent in her disappearance! Everyone says to look at this case through the mccanns eyes, well, I’m mearly looking at it through the police eyes so to speak, how can I look at it through their eyes when they haven’t allowed me to?

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 12:09 pm

  actually susan, there was a movie made about a very similar story, so when all this is said and done there will be a movie coming out…Ben Affleck is staring in it or produced it.

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 12:09 pm

  actually susan, there was a movie made about a very similar story, so when all this is said and done there will be a movie coming out…Ben Affleck is staring in it or produced it. The movie is not being released because of what is going on in the UK

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 12:12 pm

  they have allowed you to, I think you refuse to see it. I think you see what is out there now and not what they have done the past 4-5 months…

  yes, their pictures are in the news…they are the girls parents…

  Maddie would probably be the one who has the spotlight on her…but no one knows where she is.

  I personally hope they find her alive.

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 12:13 pm

  Angie, you brought up a good point, if the police were looking for a scapegoat, as the mccanns claim, then why arent they using murat (seems the mccanns are willing to use murat as a scapegoat!). Murat was put through hell, like the mccanns, and not once did anyone (inlcuding the mccanns) show murat any “sympothy”, he never even got any appologies when he was cleared! Just because the mccanns seen this “mystery man” walking towards murat’s apartment does not mean that it was murat himself or that the person even went to murat’s apartment! And, if their “eyewitness” saw this man carrying this child who was wearing maddie’s pjs, doesn’t it seem odd that she would continue watching this man walk all the way to murat’s apartment, but not once mention anything to anyone at the table about it, nor did she bring awareness that maybe the people chekcing on the kids should open maddie’s door and look in on her? If she watched this person for that long of a period of time to know where he went, what he was carrying, etc, doesn’t it strike anyone else odd that she didn’t speak up right then and there and say “hey, go check on maddie, I think I just saw someone walk into that apartment over there with a kid that looked like her”. Gee, seems strange to me that no one really gave this much thought until 10:00, 3 “check on the kids” visits later after this “man” was seen with this child?????? And like I mentioned earlier, once she was found missing, why did no one go to this apartment right away to confront this person? Sorry, but again, the claims the mccanns and their eyewitnesses are giving don’t settle right with me, and logically, there is no explanation for it!

• April RJ
  Sep 20, 2007 at 12:17 pm

  Susan, I can already see the book deal and straight to TV movie on this one…

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 12:18 pm

  Maybe if you didn’t realize at the time a child was missing…how many pairs of pink pj’s are made for little girls, and how many little girls have pink pj’s?

  this was probably an afterthought after the child was recognized as missing.

  It is a good thing you will know exactly what steps you will need to do if your child ever goes missing, you won’t have any chaos. right?

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 12:26 pm

  momwithtwo, no they honestly haven’t! When I go to their website, and I click on “About Madeleine Mccann”, here’s what I read:

  “About Madeleine McCann

  Madeleine McCann was born 4 years ago. She has one brother Sean and a sister Amelie. She lives with her family in Rothley, Leicestershire.

  Her father comes from Glasgow and has 3 sisters, Patricia, Jacqueline and Phil, and a brother John. Madeleine’s Grandmother, Eileen lives in Glasgow. Her other grandparents, Sue and Brian live in Liverpool.

  Both sides of the family are very close and all are working in different ways to try and help in the search for Madeleine.

  Phil, who resides in Ullapool and is a teacher, has asked that the heartfelt thanks of the whole family be passed to everyone who has helped in the search so far. She said “There have been so many messages of support and prayers from people all over the world. We (the family) are overwhelmed with your assistance. The media people have been wonderful and so helpful in making everyone aware of our plight. Madeleine’s family are so grateful to you all. Please keep Madeleine in your thoughts and prayers. We pray that she will be returned to us safe and well.”

  Ok, one little sentence that tells me how old she is, and her siblings and where she lives. That’s it about maddie personally! The rest is about gerry and his parents, and talks about the grandparents. How is that letting me see maddie through their eyes? I don’t care what her grandfather does for a living, where the grandparents live, what the parents do for a living, etc, when I click on that link, I expect to find things about maddie, her likes, dislikes, favorite colors, favorite animal, one of the funniest memories about her, what it was like when she was born, etc!!!! THEY DON’T MENTION ANYTHING PERSONAL ABOUT HER! Go look at other sites talking about a child whose missing, there’s stories about the child, what the child play with, favorite phrases the child would say, maybe the way the child would say a certain word, etc. Don’t you find it strange that they tell us nothing, absolutely nothing personal about maddie that could assist in finding her in a crowd?????? The offer nothing there that would help me find her, other then what she looks like, I highly doubt that if I went up to a little girl that looked like her and asked her where grandpa lived I highly doubt a child her age could really tell you, my daughter is 3, she can’t say that, and neither can most of the other kids in her daycare class! Give me clues to where if I walk into a toy store, and I see a child that looks like her standing over by the dolls that might clue me in to the fact that maddie really likes dolls, etc. You see my point? How info about the parents and the grandparents helps me find the child I have no idea! Surely gerry would have known more about all of this after visiting the US’s national center for missing children! Again, it’s all about them, not maddie!

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 12:33 pm

  >

  what question of mind are you answering?

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 12:43 pm

  okay, I get it now, but what you said was: (Everyone says to look at this case through the mccanns eyes, well, I’m mearly looking at it through the police eyes so to speak, how can I look at it through their eyes when they haven’t allowed me to?)
  What does seeing Maddie through her website have to do with seeing it through the McCanns eyes?
  Whenever anyone EXPECTS anything…we are always let down, just because you aren’t getting what YOU EXPECT doesn’t prove their guilt, because the aren’t reacting exactly how your grandmother told you ONLY the guilty react.

  What is the saying when you ASSume you only make an _ _ _ out of yourself?

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 12:54 pm

  okay, I get it now, but what you said was: (Everyone says to look at this case through the mccanns eyes, well, I’m mearly looking at it through the police eyes so to speak, how can I look at it through their eyes when they haven’t allowed me to?)
  What does seeing Maddie through her website have to do with seeing it through the McCanns eyes?
  Whenever anyone EXPECTS anything…we are always let down, just because you aren’t getting what YOU EXPECT doesn’t prove their guilt, because the aren’t reacting exactly how your grandmother told you ONLY the guilty react.

  But I am guessing then since you wouldn’t walk up to a little girl and ask her who or where her grandparents live, that you WOULD walk up to a little girl and ask her if she likes a certain popular toy, because then for sure you would know it is her.

  I am guessing if I saw a little girl who looked like Maddie, I would probably get a good look at her eye…

  Maybe they don’t want the world to know what her favorite past time was, maybe they are trying to get the public to recognize her by her features. And to me the eye is the feature that would tell her apart for other little 4 year old blond girls.

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 1:24 pm

  YEAH, the police are looking in the the kidnapping again! ABOUT TIME!

• momwithtwo
  Sep 20, 2007 at 1:25 pm

  YEAH, the police are looking in the the kidnapping again! ABOUT TIME!
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/21/nmaddy121.xml

• April RJ
  Sep 20, 2007 at 2:01 pm

  Susan, I thought that portion of their site was rather odd myself. It was suppose to be about Maddie and it wasn’t about her at all. You would thing they would have added some more personal info about her. She loves her mommy and daddy and brother and sister. She loved to swim, she liked to listen to music… Even though this case has been all over th world in the news - they could have mentioned that she was last seen at ___, she was wearing ___, etc. It seemed very clinical… strange somehow. Cold maybe??? Not at all what I would have posted as a parent. I would have made it very personal about the child in some sort of plee that my child be returned safely. That is if I believed my child was kidnapped. These are not stupid people we are talking about… They very well could have done something to this child are smart enought to be one step ahead of the police…

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 3:41 pm

  momwithtwo I have no idea what part your not getting about where I’m coming from. True, I wouldnt’ just walk up to a child and start asking questions, BUT, if this child was seen somewhere, someone wouldn’t be able to notice her eye, but yet they don’t even mention her eye, they just show us a picture of her eye! They don’t mention any other habits of hers, like for example if she sucks her thumb, or bites her nails, or birthmarks, etc. THEY DON’T MENTION ANYTHING PERSONAL ABOUT HER!! It’s obvious gerry is the one that started this website, he said he did to raise awareness to maddie being missing. And it’s obvious when you read that section “about madeleine mccann” that it’s more about gerry, his siblings, etc, then about even others in the family, and doesn’t say much about maddie! Do you not find that the least bit odd??? You seem like you are just trying to justify their innocence, if anything, to yourself, because like most others, you don’t want to believe that they could have done something to her or had a part in her disappearance, but that’s just my observation and opinion! Any missing child agency informs parents to put as much information ABOUT THE CHILD out as possible, the child’s likes, dislikes, etc, for several reasons…first, if the child is alive, then the child would tend to want things around them that they like, and even if it’s giving the “abductor” info about the child, someone would notice, say for example, a single man suddenly going and buying a bunch of girly toys, or clothes, etc. when his neighbors know he has no kids, etc. Also, it has been shown that child peodophiles go out of their way to make the child in their “possession” happy, so if the child likes going to the park, etc, they will try to do what they can to make the child happy, after all, in their eyes, a happy child won’t tell on you! And since we’re talking about a young child here who can’t scream “hey I’m maddie, I’ve been abducted”, that leaves everyone to have to try to identify her by other means, and not just by being able to look at her eye (which can be covered by a pair of sunglasses, like her hair can be colored). And yeah, like April stated, they would put out where she was last seen, etc, I haven’t even heard what these so called “pink pjs” looked like, until now, I didn’t even know they were pink! This child has completely disappeared from the planet, think about it, this child would have woke up, noticed she was with a stranger, and been highly upset, wanting to go back home to mommy and daddy. surely by now someone would have noticed a child who was unwilling to get on a plane, or a child her age showing signs that something wasn’t right with whoever she’s with, etc. People don’t just leave for vacation without kids and then suddenly return home with one with no one noticing, especially not after the publicity this case has received! Even elizabeth smart’s parents kept sharing personal informaiton about her, kept HER in the news, not themselves! I’m just amazed that you find all of this “normal” in this case, too many things don’t add up and seem to point to something different, and that’s I’m sure what the police have seen as well!

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 4:05 pm

  oh and I think you guys are missing my point about what I referenced about my grandmother. Why do police look for patterns, why are there behaviour specialists within the investigations parts of the police, etc? Because history has shown that, for example, in serial killers, there are patterns that are followed, certain behaviours, ways things are done, etc, that are common among all the various cases. Like someone pointed out earlier, if a wife ends up dead, it’s usually been proven that the husband killed her, the statistics are in favor of the husband being the one that did it. The same thing is true with child abductors, whether it’s a person abducting a child for their own personal reasons, or if their “selling” the child for whatever to whoever, etc. AND there are patterns that have been shown when the parents have something to do with the child’s murder or disappearance. If these two are coming across to me as people hiding something, and to many others who agree with me, then surely the police have found something as well to make them think they were involved in her disappearance as well! Although people do react differently in certain situations, there are still some underlying similarities as well among the cases of children who disappear and the parents who claim to not have anything to do with the “disappearance”. These two have acted actually OUT of the norm on innocent parents trying to find their missing child, and I’ve already stated many reasons already on why people AND the police are thinking they had something to do with her “disappearance”. The mccanns are now complaining that the UK police are bugging their phones, emails, etc, well um, yeah, when your a suspect, that’s usually what happens, and if you have nothing to hide, then your not going to worry about it and continue with your search for your child instead of worrying about complaining to the media about it, trying to make it look like your being picked on and want sympathy! They just always seem to focus everything on themselves, including their friends and family members, and pleading to whoever to bring her home, but that’s all, no pictures or mention of them going on and hanging posters, etc., they don’t say anything (and haven’t said anything) about what they’ve done to try to find her, except CONSTANTLY bash the police and the media!

• Susan
  Sep 20, 2007 at 4:18 pm

  if you go to this link…

  http://www.findmadeleine.com/fund/

  click on “fund details”. I find it interesting in the board’s decision, dated Sept 12, that it reads:

  “The Board has taken advice from Bates Wells & Braithwaite London LLP and Christopher McCall QC. The Board has been advised that payment of Gerry and Kate’s legal defence costs would be legally permissible subject to conditions about repayment in the event of a guilty conviction.

  The directors of the Fund discussed this today. The two family directors, Brian Kennedy and John McCann withdrew from the meeting when the decision was made. Esther Mcvey chaired the meeting.”

  It also states that the mccanns didn’t ask for the fund to pay for their legal bills? I have a hard time believing that considering they were meeting with the board directors to discuss whether they could use the funds or not! I also find it ironic that the board said yes, they could use the funds to pay for their legal defense, but if found guilty, they would have to pay the money back. Could this be why they decided not to use the money then, because they didn’t want to take that “chance” that they may be found guilty? I also find it interesting that the two family member board directors got up and left during the decision, sounds like getting ticked and leaving is common for this family then when things aren’t quite going their way? Again, their actions seem VERY strange!

• momwithtwo
  Sep 21, 2007 at 6:25 am

  I am not trying to justify their innocence; I just simply BELIEVE they are innocent. Just as you believe they are not. And no I don’t find their website odd. I think the picture of the eye is significant and it is very clearly shown. And yes, if I saw a little girl who resembled Maddie (even with colored hair), I would go look at her eye. Honestly, whenever I go shopping or out anywhere I look at all kinds of kids…in the eye, then usually smile at the parents.

  Once again, it is just not information YOU were expecting to see, this is why I think you’re tearing it apart. Is this saying you’re perfect and anyone who doesn’t do something the way you would is presumed guilty? We never get exactly what we expect in life, even in fact we end up making a$$es of ourselves in the meantime. Maybe they don’t want to feed the abductor…they are the only ones who know why the didn’t put her favorite pastime down. Just as you think I am trying to convince myself of their innocence…your doing the same with their alleged guilt. Your so stuck on they definitely did it, I feel your refusing to possibly see otherwise. I do believe in the innocent until PROVEN guilty. So far the only thing that makes them guilty is the people who think they did it. That for me isn’t enough to go on. Unless you yourself are a behavioral specialist, I would stop making so many assumptions.

  Statistics are only statistics…if you statistically only went to the bathroom 5 times a day and one day you went 9, is your world going to fall apart, because statistically you were only supposed to go 5 times that day. Statistics are only a number reflecting on BASIC reports. Statistics aren’t even made from an entire report only part of it, only similar matching points, it is not complete and there are always holes in statistics. I have never lived my life by simply a number alone. Of course Susan others might agree with you, maybe fully but maybe only a little, then like me and not really at all. What kind of statistic would you place with that? I think a lot of people are desperate for an answer as to where someone else’s child is and trying to blame whom ever based on statistics.

  Just yesterday, the Police even stated that the kidnapping looked bad for their tourist area. That does tell me something about why they are trying to put and ‘end’ to the mystery of Maddie missing.

• Shel
  Sep 21, 2007 at 11:30 am

  Portugese Police are grasping at straws now. Sounds like a shaky case to me:

  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297546,00.html

• Kathy
  Sep 21, 2007 at 11:38 am

  Ugh! I hate this case. It reminds me so much of the JonBenet Ramsey case. I don’t know who or what to believe and I think we will NEVER get any answers. It is very frustrating. The chances that this little girl will never be found are extremely high, and if she IS found, the chances that we will never know who did it are even higher! there will always be a shadow on the parents and on the police. Unless we get a full confession from someone, with forensic evidence connected to the body, we will never know the truth! It makes me want to pull all my hair out!

• momwithtwo
  Sep 21, 2007 at 12:39 pm

  sounds to me as if the case is going back to what it should be focused on in the first place…finding Maddie.

  They have no solid proof Maddie is dead…I really hope someone spots this little girl, and all the speculation can come to an end.

• Susan
  Sep 21, 2007 at 1:03 pm

  I agree kathy, this whole case frustrates me as well! We will never know the truth about jonbenet, I personally think the truth went to the grave with patsy! And that may end up being the case with this case, sad as it may seem. A girl maddie’s age will develop, fill out, etc alot over the next few years, even if someone hid her away for the next few years, would we even really recognize her if we passed her? Yes, we might quesiton her eye if we were close enough to see it, BUT, even just look at the pictures of her her eye doesn’t stand out from a distance! And considering her age now, by the time she got to an age where she could actually state with positive conviction that she’s this person or that, by then all recoglection of her being “maddie” could be completely erased! So again we wait to see what happens!

• Robot B9
  Sep 22, 2007 at 4:04 am

  Susan I am surprised at you! Obviously your resume includes being a doctor, lawyer, expert on parents who kill their children and expert of age progression of children, law enforcement officer and private detective how could you forget DNA tests?

  No matter when Maddie is found the proper authorities will always be able to positively identify her by DNA testing.

  Of course the internet is the same way. All your hateful posts about how guilty the Maccans are will be floating around in cyberspace forever.

  ROT IN HELL MCCANNS!!!! WWWWOOOOOOHHHHHOOOOOO!!!!!

  Did you really say that? Yes you did on Sep 9, 2007 at 6:24 am …, just google that quote.

  You should hope that your rants are accurate!

• Susan
  Sep 22, 2007 at 5:18 am

  robot, I am not the only one that feels their guilty, and when they are found guilty, yes, I hope they rot in hell for what they did! What’s your point robot, other then constantly stating that I hate these people, when I have continously said I don’t hate them, I hate their actions? The Ramseys did the same thing in their case, tried to pull on heartstrings, I think the parents had something to do in that case as well (more like daddy more then mom but I think the truth just died with mom when patsy passed away!)! Doesn’t mean I hate the ramseys! And yes, I was excited as heck when it was announced that the mccanns were being further investigated, etc, let’s keep in mind that the mccanns are STILL the main suspects, but at this point, without a body, no charges can be brought! I have educated myself on alot of different things, but just because I’ve educated myself does not mean that my “resume” has all these things listed, do you not read about studies, investigations, etc, where patterns have been formed, etc? Are you completely oblivious yourself as to how things are done during investigations, patterns that are looked for, etc? How do you know for sure what my background is, family members and friends who may be detectives, etc? It’s almost as if your skipping over others posts who say their guilty as well and only focus on mine, why? Are YOU connected to the mccanns in some way and that’s why you feel so strongly that their innocent? Yes, I do find alot of things VERY suspicious about their behaviour, their friends and families behaviour, the way people’s stories close to the mccanns, and the mccanns themselves, stories keep changing, and why are THE MCCANNS AND THEIR TEAM SO CONVINCED THAT MURAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ALL OF THIS? He was interagated, investigated, etc, just like the mccanns, he even started out helping them try to find maddie, but then they turned on him?? He was cleared of any involvment and yet the mccanns still feel so strongly that he had something to do with it all, why? The mccanns have ALWAYS been so quick in this case to point the finger at everybody around them, inlcuding the police, EVERYTIME something new comes up that points at them! And now even the mccanns “eyewitnesses” who were present that night are now trying to state that they have never been interviewed by the police….that’s bull because the police interviewed them, that’s where half the info came from concerning the man with a child in a blanket, that’s where the timeframes started changing on who was checking on the kids when, etc. The thing is, if for whatever purposes, maddie is found and the mccanns are cleared, I am at least grown up enough to apologize, but until that day that it’s proven to me that their innocent, I will continue to believe they are guilty! It’s really not any different then the other stories on this site where it’s completely obvious the parents are guilty of a crime and people have gone in and already said their guilty,etc. Get off my back, I don’t know why you keep insisting that I hate these people, and why you keep trying to twist my words around, etc, yes, a person can have lots of knowledge about many things, and considering this case is way out of the norm for alot of reasons all the way around, a person can’t help but wonder and question all those oddities!

• Susan
  Sep 22, 2007 at 5:42 am

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=483207&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  I find it funny that now, suddenly family and friends can talk publicly about what went on the day maddie went missing, when the mccanns can’t, the police can’t, everyone is suposed to be vowed to silence while this is being investigated, somethng the mccanns keep complaining about..and yet now their friends and family, their “eyewitnesses” are speaking publicly about that day? Aren’t they now violating the same rules they complain the police are violating by talking publicly about all of this? In this article, it states: “The friend insisted: “Kate was never alone with Madeleine that afternoon.” And yet the eyewitnesses say: “The account finally filled the gap between 2.29pm - when Madeleine was pictured grinning by a swimming pool with her father and sister Amelie - and 8.30pm, when Kate McCann joined friends for a dinner party in the grounds of the holiday complex where they were staying.” um ok, aren’t we now contradicting ourself here? The article states: “”Madeleine had high tea at 5.30pm with staff at the Kids Club. She was picked up shortly before 6pm by Kate and Gerry. After that Kate and Gerry went home, got the kids ready for bed and got ready to go out for their meal.”

  Ok, first off, how do the “eyewitnesses” know what happened once the mccanns were behind closed doors, it says the mccanns went “home” got the kids ready for bed and got ready to go out. Then it states that KATE showed up around 8:30 to join gerry and their friends who were already at the resturant. And yet at the same time, this “friend” states kate was never alone with the kids during any of this time. UH???

  Then the article states:
  “The friend insisted: “Kate was never alone with Madeleine that afternoon. There were always other witnesses present. These details were all given to detectives during police interviews, so they know what Kate and Gerry said happened that day.”

  The new account contradicts previous reports from two waiters and the owner of the Paraiso restaurant in Praia da Luz who insisted they were “certain” Madeleine had eaten her last meal there, and watched her excitedly dance with her father by the icecream freezer.”

  Wait, so now the mccann “eyewitnesses” are disputing what complete strangers are saying? First the “eyewitnesses” have stated they were never interviewed by police, now their stating they were, and now once again the mccann “team” is stating that everybody is wrong. Why would the owner and two waiters lie against the mccanns when first interviewed by police within a day or so of maddie’s disappearance? what purpose would that have served anyone when the mccanns hadn’t “ruined” the tourist site yet (as it’s been said by the mccann team) for these people to lie about the mccanns? Also, I recall gerry stating that he wanted to use those satellite picture images to show that he was dancing with his daughter that afternoon when she had ice cream. So now the story has changed yet again on what they did that afternoon? And I find it funny that the mccanns and their “team” of family and friends keep doing the one thing they complain the police of….releasing important informaiton to the public while the case is being investigated. Sounds like just some more “please believe I’m innocent” plea stuff to the public to me by the mccanns and their team!

• Susan
  Sep 22, 2007 at 5:44 am

  LOL in that same article, it states:

  “Asked to comment, the McCanns’ official spokesman Clarence Mitchell said Portugal’s strict ’secrecy of justice’ laws prevented the couple from speaking about the investigation.

  “We cannot and will not comment on any matters that go to the heart of the police investigation. However my understanding is that these particular reports, about the restaurant are inaccurate.”

  Cannot comment on the matter, but yet you just did! wow!

• Susan
  Sep 22, 2007 at 5:52 am

  And robot, be sure to read ALOT of the comments by people in the UK under that article, you’ll see that there are MANY others who see the mccanns contraditcions, etc, they all voice the same things I do, MANY people feel the same way I do on all of the holes in the mccanns stories, etc. Are you going to ask them the same questions you’ve asked me? People are even questioning why…if the mccanns were on holiday (vacation), why the kids spent so much time in daycare while kate and gerry did all these things without their kids? Arent vacations suposed to be a family affair, and yet the mccanns did more things by themselves then with their kids. Be sure to read all of that robot, apparently I’m not the only one with a long ‘resume” who’s quesitoning all of these things and noticing all these flaws in the mccanns and their “teams” stories!

• Susan
  Sep 22, 2007 at 5:55 am

  Robot, here’s a sampling of some of those comments:

  “A hideous state of affairs. A mass of contradictions that is too ridiculous to be speculated upon.

  I think with the massive political obstructions from the British Embassy upwards (yes, upwards) and interference because of the McCanns constant press releases and media manipulation this case will never be solved.

  What is wrong with our country when we have focused to such an extent on ONE missing child? How many other children have gone missing since this happened whose lives have never even been worth a mention?

  Money talks ……………Money talks ………….

  - Maurice, York England

  Holidays should be golden time with parents and their children, but the McCanns appeared to have been more interested in themselves.

  - Diana, Staffs

  I wish people start feeling sorry for Madeleine for once, not for her parents. She is the victim here, not K&G.

  - Cath, USA

  What a lovely family holiday, kids shoved in the creche all day!

  - Harry, UK”

• Susan
  Sep 22, 2007 at 5:59 am

  “If the explanation was as simple as they would now have us all believe, why the wall of silence from their friends for 4 months?

  - Margaret Jones, Worcester, UK”

  “Put up or shut up”. A good marketing phrase.

  Why don’t the McCanns and their friends , family , media connections and other chums just shut up themselves and let the police get on with their job?

  - Rob Green, Braintree , England”

  “Crikey why won’t they, their friends, relative SHUT up while the case is ongoing? It’s all about them now not the little girl.

  - Cww, Suffolk”

  “I’m sorry but I’m sick of hearing about the parents. I just wish the child could be found

  - Linda, Leicestershire”

• Susan
  Sep 22, 2007 at 6:02 am

  “I fail to understand why the McCann’s don’t keep quiet on the subject now. They are not doing themselves any favours and look like they are contradicting themselves. How can it possibly be legal for them to speak through relatives and friends when they are supposed to keep silence.

  - Mary, North Wales”

  Need I say more? There are more negative comments against the mccanns on most of these articles then positive ones! So apparently, I’m not the only one who “hates” the mccanns as you put it! And these are all people who I’m sure have heard more about this case then we have here in the states!

• Susan
  Sep 22, 2007 at 6:15 am

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=483026&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  apparently gerry has his own “theory” on maddie, in this article he states:
  “He thinks that the intruder - who would have entered the flat through an unlocked patio door - would have pounced almost immediately after he left.

  It would have taken seconds to scoop up the little girl and escape through a bedroom window.

  If Mr McCann’s theory is correct, it means that he would have been within yards of his daughter’s abductor - and could easily have stumbled upon him or her.

  Yesterday a friend of the family claimed that having thought back over the events of May 3, Mr McCann recalls noticing that Madeleine’s bedroom door was open when he went to check on her.

  He thinks that the door was left open because the intruder did not have time to shut it when he heard Mr McCann approaching.”

  How does he know for sure that the door was shut all the way when kate left the room and joined him and their friends at the resturant? maybe kate didn’t shut the door all the way! And I thought one of their “eyewitnesses” saw a man walking from the front of the apartment, not from around the back (there have been maps shown of how the apartment was set up, with maddies window being in the back of the building along a street type of area, so why would the abductor walk in the front door, then climb out the window while holding a child, then walk around to the front of the building to pass all of them at the resturant?).

  Then the article states:
  “According to the friend, the intruder would have hidden himself somewhere else in the flat - possibly the bathroom or the master bedroom -whilst Mr McCann checked on his children.

  As soon as he left, the kidnapper struck.

  The McCanns are convinced Madeleine was being watched during the course of their week-long holiday in the Algarve.

  She went missing on the sixth day of their break and they are convinced she was stolen to order. ”

  If maddie was in daycare the majority of their trip, what gives them the idea that someone was watching her to take her? What proof do they have to all of this? They were both off busy playing tennis, etc, while the kids were at daycare, so how are they sure that someone was watching her to “steal” her? People always notice kids, people always talk to kids and their parents, so now what proof do the mccanns have that someone was watching her to take her? I’ve sat at resturants and watched someone’s kids eating, etc, and commented to the parents about their children, doesn’t mean I’m watching the kids to take them, etc, so where are they coming from with this “theory” of theirs, especially considering the police haven’t found any proof of anyone else being in the room? Just as easily as maddie’s hair can be in the room, so could traces of someone else’s hair, etc, be in the room. If gerry is so convinced of all of this, why then hasn’t more been done on their part to prove this? There has been no ransom notes, etc, so where are they now coming from with their “theory”? well, they left their door unlocked and the window open, sounds like they set it up perfectly then for someone to “steal” her, so if they have such compelling evidence to back their “theory”, why hasn’t it been turned over to the police? Also, I thought they are hellbent that murat had soemthing to do with her disappearance? Again, tons of nonsense!

• Susan
  Sep 23, 2007 at 7:22 am

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=483347&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  Apparently now a witness says they’ve seen maddie in morocco. First off, I’ve noticed now that if you look at the pictures now being shown in the press, the faces of the twins are now being blurred out….why? We’ve already seen their faces, I understand wanting to protect them, but it’s a little late now for that don’t you think? We’ve seen the twin’s faces, why hide them now!

  Anyway, the article states: “”Kate said her instinct from the start has been that Madeleine was smuggled into North Africa.” I’m confused…how would her “instinct” tell her this, I do recall that at one point kate thought that maddie might have been taken to use in the child sex stuff….again though, what has given these two these these “theorys”? Two witnesses state they think they saw maddie there, but are we for sure it was maddie, because the witnessess state they didn’t know about maddie missing at the time they saw this little girl. Like I’ve asked before, what proof of all of their “theories” do the mccanns have that the police don’t have? A person would think that they would have turned all of this over to the police, but apparently what they have turned over to the police they police don’t see enough evidence in it? Why is this case so darn confusing, with stories changing, people coming out of the woodwork (after all the publicity up to this point that this case has gotten), etc.

  The witness that states she saw her in morocco states in the article “She was wearing blue pyjamas with a little pink-and-white pattern, maybe flowers, on her top.” I’m confused again, first off, I thought maddie’s pjs were pink, not blue? Second, why would a man take a child and not change her clothes? An abductor is going to want to change the child’s appearance so she’s not recognizable, not take her to a public place in her pjs (clothes she was wearing when she was taken) where it would draw attention (a child wearing pjs during the day, etc.)! Also apparently now the police are questioning some entries and things in kate’s bible, apparently there are passages that are underlines and notes written on the margin areas. Kate says it’s not her handwriting, apparently what the police are looking at they feel is incrimnating, so their wanting to get some handwriting experts involved to see if it’s her handwriting or not. kate states the bible was given to her by someone in portugal and already had these things underlined and written in it.

• Susan
  Sep 24, 2007 at 2:24 pm

  Two new articles referring to the mccanns.

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=483596&in_page_id=1770

  This one is referring to the mccanns fear that the next phone call they recieve will be to tell them they found maddie dead. Remember earlier in these posts when I said…”next the mccanns will recieve a “mystery call” I suppose telling them where maddie’s body is”.

  Why are they so afraid the next call will say she’s dead when their so convinced she’s alive and in africa somewhere? Who knows!

• Susan
  Sep 24, 2007 at 2:28 pm

  Second article…

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=483577&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  Even more interesting because the title is: “‘Find Madeleine’s body or the McCanns will escape’, prosecutor tells Portuguese police
  Portuguese police admit their entire case is ‘hanging by a thread’”

  Like I said earlier, the mccanns know without a body there’s not much of a case against them, but apparently there is some compelling evidence that has the portugal police convinced the mccanns are hiding something and had something to do with maddie’s “disappearance”.

  The article starts out proving my point that they have no strong case against them without the body by stating:

  “Struggling detectives have been warned by the Algarve prosecutor to find Madeleine’s body or watch her parents “escape” justice, it has been claimed.

  The extraordinary ultimatum puts even more pressure on police who have failed to turn up any clues to her whereabouts and now admit their whole case is “hanging by a thread”.

  It is the latest indication that the flimsy police file against Kate and Gerry McCann is not enough to charge them.”

  I guess we wait and see whats next!

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Sep 24, 2007 at 3:53 pm

  Maybe the PJ’s were blue cuz they HAD been changed…? I mean, assuming that was her.

  I think any parent of a missing child, whether they think he/she is alive or not would fear that next phone call being the one from the police saying they found your child dead, don’t you?

• Shel
  Sep 25, 2007 at 12:48 pm

  Susan - I don’t understand why you are attacking the McCann’s for devising their own theories as to what happened to their daughter, where she might be and why she was taken when probably 100 of the currently 149 posts here are you coming up with theories of how they murdered her and had their friend dump her body. You go on and on about how they never write about Maddie on their blogs and yet when they offer their ideas of what may have happened you jump all over it as ludicrous and crazy.

  Sounds like you are being very hypocritical!

• Shel
  Sep 25, 2007 at 12:52 pm

  Susan - also, why do you provide a link to an article, then copy and paste the entire article and then write a HUGE diatribe about the article you just provided? It’s a bit of overkill. I mean we all know you are excited to share your media knowledge on the McCann case, but either post the link or the article, but not both. More and more I skim right past anything you have to say on this subject because it’s long, monotonous and frankly repetitive.

• Shel
  Sep 25, 2007 at 12:59 pm

  Susan - One final thing, the Ramsey’s were never found guilty of their daughter’s death and there was a body and she was found in their home. Botched police work or not, I think it is wrong of you to continue to use this blog to personally convict a family that was never charged in their child’s murder. You don’t know the Ramsey’s and once again you made your decision (as with the McCann’s) from media coverage. You only know what the media wanted you to know about this case. You mentioned earlier that if you were in the McCann’s shoes you would hire a psychic to help find your child. Did you know the Ramsey’s consulted with Sylvia Brown and a lesser know psychic and both pointed towards a grounds keeper the Ramsey’s used part time to cut their grass and take care of their yard. He was questioned but the police had no evidence to charge him. I don’t see you convicting the grounds keeper on this blog, just the Ramsey’s and they did just “what you would do” if it was your child.

• Susan
  Sep 25, 2007 at 1:03 pm

  Shel, first off, I was asking how the mccanns are so sure of their theories and why if they are so convinced of all of them why haven’t they shared the info with the police? Seems to me the mccanns are the ones being hypocritcal, I’m mearly pointing that out. Obviously the police know more about the evidence then we do, and they feel the mccanns are hiding something, and yet the mccanns are convinced and have their own “evidence” of where she is…..if that’s so, why haven’t they found her then? From what I read today, the mccanns have NOW hired private investigators to look more for maddie, something that makes a person wonder why they didn’t do all of this from the beginning if they felt the police were so incompentant. The mccanns are the ones that keep changing their stories, not me, how are they so positive in what their ideas are and yet the police have investigated some of what they have stated (like the murat guy) and found no connections or only dead ends? I have a hard time believing that all these people who have seen maddie in spain haven’t done something more to try to save her, take pictures, etc! All a person would have to do is call out her name and see if she answers, etc, and yet these “witnesses” have just let this mystery child walk away with these mystery people!

  Also, I don’t copy the entire article, I mearly copy a part that I want to comment on, so that in case someone doesn’t read the article, they at least know where I’m coming from with a comment I make. Shel, you become long, monotonous and frankly repetitive yourself at times, so don’t be so harsh on others! And do you have any other knowledge besides “media knowledge” as you put it to prove the mccanns are innocent? I’m sharp to details, and when I see details changing in stories, I tend to point those out, and there seems to be ALOT of inconsistancies with the mccanns, even among the many articles out there on things the mccanns and their “team” are quoted as saying, interviews I have seen them do, etc. If you don’t want to read what I think, fine, then don’t, I could careless!

• Susan
  Sep 26, 2007 at 11:39 am

  new update:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484083&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  Article title: “Girl in ‘Madeleine in Morocco’ photo is peasant farmer’s daughter Bushra
  Last updated at 19:18pm on 26th September 2007″

  So I guess maddie isn’t in morocco, there’s a picture of the little girl that these “witnesses” thought was maddie. Guess the picture of maddie’s eye didn’t do much to help identify if this little girl was maddie or not now did it? So that now leaves the question open…where is maddie? Guess the mccanns now have to “rethink” their theory don’t they!

• Susan
  Sep 27, 2007 at 1:32 pm

  well we all knew it was coming…”A TV series based on Madeleine’s disappearance is being planned in Chile, it has emerged.”

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=484317&in_page_id=1811

  the article doesn’t state who will “profit” from the movie/show, who initiated it being done, etc. It will be interesting to see who gets the money from this when it’s done!

• momwithtwo
  Sep 28, 2007 at 8:07 am

  who really cares who gets the money when it is done? Coming out with this series now is completely inconsiderate to everyone involved, the parents and Madeleine.

  Susan I am wondering why your so bitter about this entire case, about a theory (and yes there are others).

  I realize people want justice, but searching for justice any way you can get it, bashing the parents, assuming with the rest who are so hungry to place the blame somewhere. I want Madeleine to be found…placing blame doesn’t get her found.

  You keep telling me I don’t get what your saying, but the truth is I do get what you are saying I just don’t agree with you. Therefore you must think I don’t get it. Maybe if I agreed with you….

  A simple explanation of to why the McCanns probably hired their own PI to find her now, could just be due to the fact the police are looking at them, and their focus is on finding their daughter. A matter of comfort and trust is lost there. Why would they go elsewhere to search when they thought the police were helping them look for their daughter?

  Last week, the game of you saying their act guilty based on their reactions…but what about yours? Your actions, include unclear thoughts, blame, blame and some more blame, then sarcastic comments about Madeleine’s eye not being a clear factor in the aide of finding her. Accusing SHEL of being monotonous and frankly repetitive…what exactly are you doing. What does that make you guilty of?

  Personally I think you are so caught up in finding out what happened, or wanting answers that you aren’t allowing yourself to see outside your little bubble.

  It is a good thing not one charge can be pressed on someone based just on suspicion alone.

• Susan
  Sep 28, 2007 at 12:37 pm

  My point about the eye….when some of us questioned having other personnel information concerning maddie in helping to find her, her likes, dislikes, pierced ears, birthmarks, etc, YOU seemed to think that the eye alone should be enough for someone to identify maddie if someone were to see a child that looked like her. Well, apparently just knowing that small detail about her eye hasn’t done much to help in identifying her, because this other child that was thought to be maddie…no one was able to see her eyes from a distance, so the eye is a pointless way of trying to identfy her based on just the “eye” alone! How tall was maddie, how much did she weigh, etc etc etc. It proved my point that without being able to get close to a child to see that closely what their eyes look like, how would a person know from a distance if it’s maddie or not? The mccanns offer nothing else to identify maddie by except the eye, I do find that strange considering when children go missing, a COMPLETE description is usually given to the public, including such things as identifying birthmarks, height, weight, what they were last wearing, etc.

  And it does make a difference about who is “profiting” from this movie/show, who initiated it, etc. Because if the mccanns are behind it, support it, etc, then first off, why would you want to focus on yourself (how your feeling, what you’ve been through, etc) when the case of your child is still being investigated and the case hasn’t been closed, child found, etc. How would something like this help in the search for maddie? The focus of the story would be on telling the parents side of the story (which everything right now is focused around them instead of maddie), something that I don’t see how any of them can completely tell until this is resolved (the mccanns are under a 12 month gag order…I find it convient that they aren’t allowed to speak publicly about the accusations against them and suddenly a movie/show is now coming out to tell their side?), you don’t find this odd as well? Like I stated before, I think the mccanns will suddenly receive a “mystery call” that they will come forward with on where maddie is, that in some way won’t be able to be verified by police (the phone call), after all, you can’t have a “story” without an ending right?

  Also, kate’s health is now “fragile”, as their “family spokeman” has stated. Now granted, I understand how stressful all of this must be, BUT, she has two other children to take care of, don’t they deserve a healthy mother (gerry doesn’t look like he’s missing meals, etc!), someone who is keeping themselves healthy so they are healthy? Some state they think that now kate will say she can’t go back to portugal for anything because of her bad health now. Again it seems the focus is on the parents, and oh poor them, etc, etc.

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484401&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  I remember the ramsey case, and patsy’s health suddenly declining quickly after jonbenet’s death. Kate is a doctor, surely she knows how important it is to keep herself healthy, for the sake of her other children, but for some reason the mccanns don’t seem to focus much on the twins. Just my observations!

• jaleja
  Sep 28, 2007 at 1:41 pm

  This website had very good pictures of Maddie.
  http://www.findmadeleine.com/
  Have to comment, Susan, have you seen the news story about the little girl who was on a videotape, being sexually assaulted? Her picture was posted in the hope of I.D. ing her and finding her and boy does she look like Maddie. And she’s called Madison on the tape.

• angie
  Sep 28, 2007 at 1:45 pm

  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298500,00.html

  there are pix of the video girl here

• Susan
  Sep 30, 2007 at 6:11 am

  jaleja, yes I’ve been to the findmadeline site, we’ve discussed that site here, that is a site that was started by kate and gerry mccann. Yes, there are plenty of pictures of her there, BUT, as several of us have pointed out in prior posts, there’s no “description” of maddie, if you click on the link that says “about madeliene”, you’ll see it talks more about gerry and his family then about maddie! That has been part of our discussion here, that nothing about maddie has been shared to the public in trying to find her, people seem to think that just relying on the picture of what her one eye looks like should be enough to identify her, and I was pointing out that obviously the eye doesn’t help because you’d have to be able to get close enough to the child to see her eye! Read our other posts, we’ve been over all of this lol. They don’t even state what she was last wearing, etc! You would think that they would post more about maddie herself, all of the missing children I’ve ever heard about has had great detail concerning the child…their likes/dislikes, birthmarks, certain way they speak, etc, things that would help further in identifying the child besides just a picture! Considering how long maddie has been missing, who’s to say her hair is still blonde now?

  The little girl in spain that everyone thought was maddie was proven not to be maddie, AND YET there are many people who think the police that investigated the identity of this little girl need to investigate it further…WHY?? It was proven not to be maddie, and yet people still believe that this family (they are poor farmers) should be investigated further, and that this little girl is really maddie….UH??? The family was cooperative, the child was looked at, etc, and yet people are still convinced (apparently in their everlasting hope that the mccanns are innocent) that this little girl was maddie and that the police aren’t doing enough to prove that it’s her! WTF??? Sounds like a major police bashing if you ask me, all these people have such little faith in the police, and yet so much hope in the mccanns, and yet have the mccanns even found their daughter? It has also been proven that alot of children in those areas of spain look like maddie, they are all fair skinned and blonde haired, so now are we going to round up EVERY child across this world, thoroughly investigate EVERY family and child, possibly rip families apart in the process, in the hopes of finding THIS ONE LITTLE GIRL?? If we’re going to do that, then we need to also keep in mind EVERY missing child out there, not just maddie, and yet, in this great search for this one little child, no other missing children have been found, no other missing children have been searched for on this great of a magnitude, and another mother still sits at home crying for her missing child! Yes, we should look for these children, question if we see them, but when it’s proven not to be the child that’s missing, let it go, don’t continue to try to ruin someone else’s lives! Let’s not forget about the twins who are still here, who the mccanns seem to keep pushing to the side while they run on the beach, go on their trips, yes, I don’t wrong them for looking for their child, BUT, they also have two other children who need them, and yet the mccanns seem to keep focusing more on themselves more then even maddie!

• Susan
  Sep 30, 2007 at 6:21 am

  angie, I didn’t see any pics of the girl you mentioned, maybe they changed the story since you posted the link. If anyone is trying to say this is maddie, well, I highly doubt it unless there is more to the story then we’re being told. First off, in the article, it states that the video was made sometime between 2003 and January 2005, before maddie went missing. Then it also states “Officials also released what they believe to be the first name of the unidentified girl, Madison, who appears to be 4 or 5 at the time of the filming. She has a significant birthmark.” Notice how they point out the child has a significant birthmark? If maddie has a significant birthmark, I haven’t heard about it! And considering maddie was 3 when she “disappeared”, and the timing of when they think this video was made and the child’s age at the time, that would now make the child in the video older then maddie. I know gerry and kate have been convinced that maddie was taken for the “sex trade” type of industry, that she was being watched that week, etc, but like I have asked before….why do they feel this way? What proof do they have to make them think this? And if this was all true, then why don’t the police agree with them on that theory? Apparently the police have evidence of their own that we don’t know about that proves something different, I just would really like to know what makes the mccanns think what they think!

• Susan
  Sep 30, 2007 at 6:34 am

  The majority of missing children cases I’ve seen I’ve never heard the parents say…right out of the gate so to speak…that “I just know my child was abducted for the sex trade business”, unless of course they live in a country where that happens alot (I can’t remmeber which country it was that we’ve heard about lately that this was true in, I think it’s one of those iranian type of countries, where the little girls were being taken for sex slaves), and the mccanns weren’t in a country where that routinely happens, in fact, from what I’ve read, the area where maddie was taken from has a VERY low rate of child abductions compared to other parts of the world! Now let’s think rationally here, kate has stated that she feels maddie was being watched the entire week they were there, that her abductor was watching her (how they know this I have no idea!) and waiting for the right time to take her. AND THEN, supposedly knowing that their daughter was possibly being watched the entire week to be taken, they LEAVE HER WINDOW OPEN AND THE DOORS UNLOCKED. UH???? Now honestly, does any of that make sense to you? I know I have seen people watching my children while they play, etc, and at times I have felt uncomfortable with someone’s “presence” around my children, and I’ve left, but I didn’t leave my children alone in a setting that would invite the person to take them if that was the person’s intentions! If they thought maddie was being watched the entire week, who was watching her? Did they see this person or persons? If so, wouldn’t they have a description of this person(s) and would post that description so people would know who to look for, etc? To say after your child has gone missing…well, I feel the child was being watched the entire week so someone could take her….shoot, I could come up with a line like that myself if I was trying to divert attention off of myself for something I may have done! And the thing is, they left not one child, BUT THREE children alone that night, first maddie was sleeping in between the twins, next she was asleep in a different room, the mccanns can’t keep their story straight, common sense tells me that if someone was going to snatch a child, chances are they would have taken the younger female child (she looks like maddie too and is about the same height, etc), less chances of the child being able to yell, tell on you, etc!

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• stupipplshldntbreed
  Oct 1, 2007 at 10:26 am

  According to Foxnews.com today, they do have other suspects in this case… will be very interesting to see how this all turns out.

• Susan
  Oct 1, 2007 at 1:06 pm

  according to dailymail, the leading newspaper in the UK…

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=485034&in_page_id=1770

  The mccanns are now relying on psychics to help find maddie. I haven’t heard about any new suspects, in fact, at the same site I posted, an article from today also states that they are considering questioning the mccanns further, and the police still feel the mccanns are responsible for her “disappearance”. It doesn’t state anything in any of their articles about other suspects, and considering this paper is in the UK and “close” to the case, I would think they would know if there were other suspects involved. I guess now the mccanns will say that a psychic has lead them to maddie’s body in their “finding” her. Guess we’ll see.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Oct 1, 2007 at 1:30 pm

  I heard a few reports on TV over hte weekend about them having other suspects surfacing. Makes me wonder how sure the portugal police are that the McCanns did it.

  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298697,00.html

• Susan
  Oct 1, 2007 at 2:06 pm

  hhmm, now think about it, why would a woman who got fired from the resort take maddie just because the resort fired her? Did the mccanns have something to do with her being fired? Also, with all of the coverage that this story has gotten, as well as contact information for portuguese police and the birmingham police on the findmaddie site, etc, why would someone contact the prince of wales with this info, wouldnt they go straight to the police handling the case, or even still, to the mccanns with this info (via their website, which has police contact info)? Also, the man who had the child on august 8th who ran when maddie’s name was called, do we know for sure that the man even heard her name being called and that he wasn’t in a hurry to get somewhere? I do find it strange that a paper in the US (we all know how the fox channel is with wanting to get a story, etc for ratings and the like) knows about this and the papers in the UK have not mentioned this, especially since the info was supposedly sent to the prince of wales (considering how press hungry the prince and dutchess are right now to get some positive limelight about themselves after the latest diana memorial fiasco). I would think the UK papers would be eating this up and writing about it!

  I do find it funny though that yet again, even in the article you posted, it reads:
  “A source close to the family said: “They want to put their side of the story but do not want to antagonise the Portuguese police despite everything that has happened.” The mccanns are under a 12 month gag order, they are not allowed to talk about the case, and yet they are ALWAYS wanting to get their “side” out EVERYTIME something “new” comes out. I really don’t care at this point what their side is on anything, they keep changing their stories to fit whatever is being said, so no, we shouldn’t have to hear their side of the story, unless it is strictly talking about where maddie is and finding her, anything else about how they feel, etc, is irrelevant to me! Maybe this is why gerry got so mad at the spanish newsreporter who kept asking him questions..maybe gerry and kate were already under a 12 month gag order at the time and were already treading on thin ice by saying everything they have said already up to this point trying to defend themselves (which in turn as made them look even more guilty because they can’t keep their stories straight!). Guess we’ll see!

• Susan
  Oct 2, 2007 at 3:45 am

  two new updates…

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=485005&in_page_id=1770

  In this article, it states:

  “Madeleine was drugged by her abductor, says her grandmother
  Last updated at 11:52am on 2nd October 2007

  Comments (4)

  The grandmother of missing Madeleine McCann believes the four-year-old was drugged by her abductor before being carrried from the apartment.

  Eileen McCann claims otherwise the child would have shouted and screamed for her parents if she was being carried off by a stranger.”

  You can read the rest, but really, first they knew she was being watched, then gerry thinks the “guy” was still in the room when he checked on his kids, then gerry and kate thought she was abducted for the sex trade industry, then police revealed they thought maddie had been drugged and kate was the suspect in drugging her, AND NOW, gerry’s mother feel that maddie was drugged by her abductor, not her mother? Guess the drug tests must be back that they were doing on the hair and there must be some proof then that maddie was drugged? Sounds that way to me if now the mccanns are jumping on that drugged bandwagon.

• Susan
  Oct 2, 2007 at 3:50 am

  The other update..

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=485154&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  “Portuguese and British police ‘at war’ over Madeleine investigation
  Last updated at 10:28am on 2nd October 2007″

  Apparently the portuguese police feel that the british police are “working” for the mccanns. It states “Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral broke his silence to say: “British police have only worked on what the McCann couple want them to work on.” Maybe this has been the grief between the portuguese police and the mccanns all along..the portuguese police wouldn’t “cooperate” with kate and gerry about parts of the investigation and the portuguese police told the mccanns to stay out of their investigation? After all, gerry has made it VERY clear numerous times to the portuguese police that he wanted to know about any new evidence, etc, BEFORE anyone else found out, and considering everytime something new comes out, gerry and kate are so quick to want to “explain their side” of the story, I guess maybe there is some concern there that someone is trying to cover something up? Who knows.

• Susan
  Oct 2, 2007 at 4:49 am

  oh and angie, in that second article, it does now mention something about the maid and the email to prince charles, but the portuguese police feels that lead has no creditbility, the article states:
  “Speaking in the respected Portuguese newspaper Diario de Noticias, Mr Amaral seemed particularly angered that Leicestershire police were following a tip emailed to Prince Charles’s official website suggesting that a disgruntled maid, working at the Ocean Club apartment complex, which is where Madeleine vanished, may have kidnapped her.

  He said: “The lead has no credibility for the Portuguese police.

  “(British police) have come to investigate tips and information developed and worked on by the McCanns, forgetting that the couple are suspected of the death of their daughter Madeleine.

  “This story about kidnapping for revenge is another lead worked on by the McCanns.”

  It doesn’t state much else about that email, in fact, the portuguese police feel that the mccanns are creating a new “story” each day about maddie’s disappearance with their campaigns. I do have to agree with him though on the part with the “revenge kidnapping”, it doesn’t make much sense that a disgruntled employee who was fired from the resort would kidnap maddie (despite the mccanns stating they felt she was kidnapped by a man and for other purposes), history has shown that usually a person who is disgruntle over something would usually have demands of some kind, and there have been no demands. I think it’s the mccanns who are grasping at straws, because yes, everyday their story changes on what happened that night and after and they come up with these wild goose chase type of “theories” with no proof to back up any of what their claiming. I do have to admit, the portuguese police have been a little more “consistant” with some of their “theories”. Just my thought!

• jaleja
  Oct 2, 2007 at 6:15 am

  Susan says:
  Quote “jaleja, yes I’ve been to the findmadeline site, we’ve discussed that site here, that is a site that was started by kate and gerry mccann. Yes, there are plenty of pictures of her there, BUT, as several of us have pointed out in prior posts, there’s no “description” of maddie, if you click on the link that says “about madeliene””EndQuote
  The point of my post was not about the lack of description, it was the amazing resemblance between Maddie and Madison. When I posted that, they hadn’t said that the video was 3 or 4 years old, they were still trying to find the child and nobody had been arrested yet. The pictures are no longer available for viewing of the video girl, because she has been found. I was thinking maybe the Mccanns sold their daughter. It happens sometimes.

• Susan
  Oct 5, 2007 at 4:57 am

  Well well, the latest update…

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=485803&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  “British detectives: Madeleine WAS killed in holiday apartment
  Last updated at 12:42pm on 5th October 2007″

  Seems the portuguese police weren’t too far off of their theory then! Here’s the first 3 paragraphs of the article:
  “British police are working on the theory that Madeleine McCann is dead, it emerged today.

  They have become convinced the four-year-old will not be found alive.

  Officers in Leicestershire have come to share the view of the Portuguese police after sniffer dogs detected ‘the scent of death’ in the Algarve holiday apartment from which she vanished. ”

  So, first off, I wonder if people are going to start bashing the british police like they have the portuguese police? Seems now there are two independent police units working on this case who are now in agreement about maddie’s “disappearance”! The thing is, if the “abductor” had killed maddie in the apartment, when would he/she had time to clean up, as well as why would the person even take her if they killed her…seems strange that they would kill the child and then take her body! Something else noted in the article states that it was evidence that the british police found in the apartment that led to the mccanns being named suspects, not anything that the portuguese police found, it even states that if it wasn’t for the british police getting involved and finding the evidence that was found, the mccanns would never had been named suspects! It states “”The Portuguese police had their suspicions two weeks after Madeleine disappeared due to the discrepancies between witness statements.

  “The friends, the McCanns and the employees at the Ocean Club had stories that just didn’t match up.”

  It’s definitely going to be interesting to see what else happens now, after all, everyone is putting so much faith in the british police force, they are the best in the world some have said, and have continously bashed the portuguese police…let’s see how many people now try to discredit the british police in the mccann team like they’ve done with the portuguese police!

• Susan
  Oct 8, 2007 at 5:01 am

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=486351&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

  “Madeleine: New DNA evidence ‘provides fresh link to parents’
  Last updated at 11:54am on 8th October 2007″

  Three main pieces of this article states:
  “Sources in Britain claim the fresh evidence shows the decision by Portuguese detectives to focus their investigation on the parents is justified.”

  And…

  “None of the new material provides definitive proof that Madeleine is dead. But a senior source close to the investigation told the Evening Standard that the new DNA results showed the investigation was focused “where it should be”. ” (Of course we’ve already discussed that without a body, everything is inconclusive, but, apparently there is more proof to back up the past theories by the police of maddie’s “disappearance” and the mccanns involvement in it)

  And then it states:

  “A senior source close to the investigation said: “There is no reason to change the direction of the investigation and everything that has emerged indicates that it is focusing where it should (on the mccanns involvement). This is a very complex case and forensics are rarely conclusive on their own, but the new material adds to the existing picture that has been built up by police and fills in a few more pieces of the jigsaw.”

  Needless to say, the mccanns aren’t happy about this new forensic evidence, so it will be interesting to see what they have to say next to “defend” themselves! Be sure to read the other parts of the article, which offers other interesting points. And so we wait some more…….

• Susan
  Oct 9, 2007 at 9:11 am

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=486351&in_page_id=1770

  McCanns call in own forensic team to fight DNA linking them to Madeleine
  Last updated at 16:32pm on 9th October 2007

  Good grief, now that the Bristish police are backing up the Portugual police on the forensic stuff, it seems that now the mccanns are not so confident in their own police forces skills, etc, so they’ve called in their own forensic team (which must be costing a fortune like their attornies fees are costing!) to discredit the police’s evidence, WHAT A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!! I thought they were supposed to be focusing on finding their child, WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS FOCUSING SO MUCH ON DEFENDING THEMSELVES IF THEIR INNOCENT???? I think they should both have to answer the 40 something questions they have been refusing to answer to the police…oh but that’s right, GUILTY PEOPLE CAN NEVER ANSWER DIRECT QUESTIONS! These two are a joke, always focusing on themselves, why do I care whether they prove something wrong or not, I thought this was about finding maddie? How does them hiring their own forensic team finding maddie??? Seems like these two are WAY too worried about their own personal images to the public then finding their daughter, and everyone who contributes to their “fund” is only helping them prove themselves innocent, it really doesn’t seem like much of the “campaigns” they do to find maddie have helped, if anything, all the publicity may have actually hindered the case and finding her even more! I guarantee you this, other people wouldn’t be given this kind of “celebrity” status, and others sure as hell wouldn’t be able to get their own forensic team, etc, like these two, their a joke!

• momwithtwo
  Oct 9, 2007 at 9:28 am

  WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS FOCUSING SO MUCH ON DEFENDING THEMSELVES IF THEIR INNOCENT????

  Why do you think? You and I have been over this before so I am not going to explain why someone who is innocent would try to defend themselves.

  Have you ever been involved in law? Do you know many times council will order these types of tests to back themselves, not the client?

  In my opinion they do need to work hard to clear their names, just as hard if not harder than to find their daughter.

  If they are such a joke and everything about their story rages you, why follow it?

• Susan
  Oct 9, 2007 at 9:47 am

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=486646&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

  Children of McCanns’ friends ‘were in Maddie’s apartment when she vanished’
  Last updated at 16:15pm on 9th October 2007

  Please note the one friend of the mccann’s that states: “The British man guaranteed he took that long because he visited his sick daughter, and she vomited.” Why, if your child is that sick, would you leave your child alone? What a sick group of people to have left ALL of their children alone every night that entire week! It’s surprising that the other children didn’t start coming up missing before maddie disappeared!

• Susan
  Oct 9, 2007 at 10:00 am

  why does anyone follow ANY of the cases of things on this site or others? Because we want to see justice for the victims involved! Again, if your innocent and your just an innocent couple who made a mistake and your child disappeared, why would you worry so much about being framed, etc? You wouldn’t! These two aren’t completely cooperating with the investigation as they try to say they are, after all, they have both refused to ask direct questions from the police, and I remember a quote that goes “guilty people can never answer direct questions”, that’s a true statement! Ask those around you sometime when you know their lying about something, ask them a direct question and they will try like hell to divert the attention off of them and onto someone or something else, and they get ticked and frustrated when pressured to answer those direct questions, because now they have to keep remembering their lies they told before! These two are CONSTANTLY trying to redirect everyone’s attention, whether their stating it’s a “smear campaign” or that someone is trying to frame them, and EVERYTIME something points their way, they turn it into a media circus about themselves, not about their missing daughter! They go jogging, but yet haven’t gone physically anywhere to try to find their daughter, they are so convinced she is alive somewhere but have yet to find her, and they always seem to have an excuse for everything that is pointed their way…..the DNA evidence found in the car was found in the spare tire area, I know most cars have carpet and a piece of board separating the spare tire from the back area of the car, so how they hell can they say that the DNA found was from a shoe, or toys, or from other items they claimed they moved from one apartment to the next? If their items have that much sweat, etc, to have been able to soak through the carpet and board to have gotten into the tire well area where the spare tire sits, then someone needs to seriously see a doctor for a health condition! Their a joke, and it’s such ashame that they have been put on a “millionaire celebrity” type of pedastal! They remind me so much of the Ramseys it’s sickening!

• momwithtwo
  Oct 9, 2007 at 10:55 am

  technically, it would be the media putting them on a ‘millionaire celebrity’ type of pedestal. not them. usually how the media works, and we the readers feed the media, therefore they must put out any story being true or fabricated even a tad to entice readers.

  Funny thing is there is a ‘gag order’ (type) on all of this…no one is supposed to be talking about any of it, new facts, old facts…to be honest I haven’t seen any new facts…only very few new speculations and half of the story….we don’t know evidence, we don’t know what is in the files.

  The Ramsey’s…get over this, the Ramsey’s aren’t guilty nor have ever been proved guilty. And truthfully the Ramsey’s have nothing to do with this case, yet you reference it very often…Apparently you have some physic ability to zone in on ‘apparently’ the guilty. At least the Ramseys, know where their daughter is to be able to have peace.

  Have you yourself ever been interrogated? Even the innocent can appear guilty when being interrogated. getting angry to prove your innocent…but we have been over that too…it is very possible to get very DEFENSIVE when DEFENDING yourself EVEN when your innocent. I guess knowing my innocence, I would try to redirect attention elsewhere as well.

  I guess I would not expect everyone to have the same exact story…they were out having fun before sometime terrible happened, and having to go back and recollect each moment … lets just say everyone can remember little details a little bit later. You may have one person who doesn’t have the conception of time and can make everyone look guilty..when in reality that one person had the time wrong. This is accepting reality…GASP not everyone is perfect. And trying to recollect your every step months later…is nearly impossible to get detailed.

  To do DNA testing they only need a little, of whatever it is they are testing, fabric, hair, actual bodily fluid. I have been known at times to lift up the spare tire board and carpet to put things in there when I have needed more room…

  Truth be told, neither YOU nor I know what exactly happened to Madeleine, maybe aliens from the community of Zumbro located on the Ice Cream Planet, the flew their spacecone down and zoned in on the room and when they touched her she turned into a powder and no one will ever find her…

  either way it’s debatable…

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Oct 9, 2007 at 2:58 pm

  First; If they can prove they DIDN’T do it, then the police forces that are spending their energy investigating the parents can get on to looking at other possible explanations.

  I have to agree with momoftwo. You really seem angry with these people in particular, convinced that they’re guilty. It’s honestly a difficult discussion to have with you because you’re so convinced they’re guilty and you come across like it’s personal for you.

  Don’t get me wrong, I am not convinced that they’re innocent, but I haven’t seen enough evidence to grab my pitchfork and join the lynching. In terms of evidence, it’s also important to remember that there has been little IF ANY information released legally. Most, if not all, of what you have available in the media is leaked information, and how do you know it’s accurate?

  Is it not possible that the Portugeuse police are embarrased at having screwed things up so bad that the McCann’s are being framed by them (to cover up their own inadequacies)? It wouldn’t be the first time people in power used scapegoats to cover up their own shit. Isn’t it possible that there is a smear campaign going on behind the scenes?

  I am not saying that’s what I believe, but it’s possible. ANd it’s those possibilities that make you come accross almost as obsessed with this case in particular.

  It’s good to see people passionately care about others, but do you have a personal stake in how it all works out? If not I’d relax a little. Balance between compassion and feeling for others, and remembering that it’s not YOUR life, and you’re not directly affected by it unless you chose to be.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Oct 9, 2007 at 3:18 pm

  OOOH and just found this article…

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=VVREXR2YIH2F1QFIQMGSFFOAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/10/08/nmaddy308.xml

  Apparently some of the people who have interrogated the McCann’s are being arrested themselves for torturing suspects, including the mother of a missing girl who had a bag placed over her head, and was made to kneel on glass.

  Things like this (that we don’t see) are exactly the reason I encourage people not to assume, and to wait and see what happens.

  Also, don’t think this means that I THINK this means they’re guilty, I still feel like none of us knows enough to be sure.

• Susan
  Oct 10, 2007 at 5:11 am

  stupippl…your article you mentioned is dated Last Updated: 2:31am BST 09/10/2007

  And there was only one person being investigated, it didn’t say he had been arrested. No one has ever mentioned that the mccanns have been tortured by the portugual police, I’m sure if that was the case, their “spokeman/woman” would have made sure that it had surfaced by now and their suspect status would have been dropped! It’s a month later since your referenced article, nothing has changed in the case other then the main top guy being removed from the case in portugual because he spoke out publicly about the case, that’s it, plain and simple, he wasn’t let go for torturing, etc! Granted, there are some things coming forward that seem a little weird, and it’s hard to piece how it all goes together (like the latest claims that the “tapas nine”s kids were also in the room when maddie went “missing” or that they were all sedated as well, I’m questioning how that is known, but it also wouldn’t be surprising…you have a group of doctors who have easy access to drugs, who all feel they are above us “average day” folks, it could be possible that these people were also sedating their children, which would explain why if maddie died from an accidental overdose why they would all band together so quickly and easily to “cover up” what happened…they wouldn’t want to be caught or charged with something themselves.

  Okay, so the police may be embarassed that they “screwed up” at the beginning, first off, how do we really know that they did? I explained before that if you realistically look at their actions it’s not much different then how most cases are handled….usually a person has to be missing for 24 hours before a major manhunt starts, and depending on where you are, that can include a child…..that’s why in the US we have pushed so hard for such things as amber alerts, etc, to get the word out much faster about a missing child! Also, there must be some compelling evidence that points at the mccanns, because if the police were so quick to find a “scapegoat” to cover up their mistakes, why would they have waited until 4 months down the road to make them suspects, when the bashing against them and their abilities and the way they have handled the case has been a big issue with the mccanns and everyone else since the first week of the disappearance?

  The words “smear” and “ludicrious”, are the mccanns going to copywrite those words soon, like donald trump has done with “your fired”? That’s all we ever hear from the mccanns, or from their “spokesperson”, EVERYTIME something points in the mccanns direction! The mccanns have stated from the beginning of all of this that they feel the police were trying to frame them, if that was the case, why didn’t they get the high priced attorneys involved then at the beginning to straighten all of this out and keep it on track, on behalf of the maddie fund, not themselves, BEFORE they were made suspects? A police force can be held accountable for it’s actions just like everyone else! And let’s not forget that the british police are backing the portugual police that there was some kind of foul play with maddie, the same british police that the mccanns insisted get involved (hoping for them to be supported due to sympathy by their own “kind” maybe?). It’s funny though that the mccanns keep insisting that the portugual police are framing them, although the british police are backing the pj, so wouldn’t that make the british police also “after” the mccanns? But we don’t hear the mccanns bashing the british police like they do the pj!

  Yes, I am somewhat emotionally attached to this case, by my own “fault”, because the day I heard of her missing, I was both outraged (because they left her alone and they are somehow avoiding charges for that) and saddened, because this case reminds me so much of jonbenet! I followed the ramsey case as well, and we have never heard the truth about who killed jonbenet (which we all have our opinions on who did it!), I honestly think the truth went to the grave with patsy! I just really hope that this case doesn’t end with so many questions, after all, in both cases, the true victims are not the parents (in both cases, all media attention and “support” has focused on the parents and them clearing their names, instead of what the cases were about….a dead child and a missing child!), but the children in these cases who didn’t ask for anything but to be loved and cared for! And let’s not forget the millions of other children who are missing, who gets to pick and choose which child gets more media coverage then another? Like I said before, somewhere there is a mother who’s child has been missing for more then 4 months, who didn’t leave her child alone unattended while she was away from the house having dinner, and she sits in her home crying for her child, all the time no one putting out this great of an effort to find her child although she tried everything she could to bring attention to her child’s case! Sad!

• momwithtwo
  Oct 10, 2007 at 6:01 am

  The British Police are the ones who had the cadaver dogs go in and find the ‘scent of death’ or the bodily fluids, hence why Portuguese Police named the McCann’s suspects.
  In reality the dogs found fluids or the scent of Madeleine in a room in which Madeleine was staying. Something we could have told those dogs and the police. Honestly these dogs are good, but they can also only detect she was there, not actually dead and the DNA provided and researched by forensic scientists cannot prove death. So tell me then if the same type of dog looking for a body, starts getting excited (as that is how the handlers detect something) and finds pot just how reliable do you think this lead is. Of course these dogs are going to find something of Madeleine in the apartment and in the hire car…but I wouldn’t rely on a dogs’ excitement to prove guilt. Crap I would be guilty of something each time I pulled out a treat for my dogs.

  No one has said that all of those children were in that room, in fact it has been denied by the parties involved. It was a newspaper (sorry I cannot remember which one they keep referencing to this) stating this information. Of course over the time period of the vacation the other children probably appeared in the room at some point.

  Also, in my opinion I would work very very hard to clear my name, as I said before for the same reasons I have said before. They must focus on clearing their names so they can focus on finding their daughter. It is not like they just sit at home waiting for her to come back, I am sure they have many people who are helping them and letting them stay at home with those two children who are there and NEED the attention of their parents. The McCann’s have put forth much efforts to finding their daughter, but yes at some point you do have to focus on not only finding her, but your other children as well. They also need to be home to focus on clearing their names. There are many things legal council will advise, and them being home just might be one of those advisories.

  In my opinion the media focus isn’t 100% on the McCanns, as we all know why they are being thrown through the media the way they are, the media attention they are getting still gets the word out about Madeleine, negative media or not.

  And although it is not fair other children are missing and don’t get the attention Madeleine is getting, unfortunately that is how things work. It is who you know, and how you know to help yourself in this world, that goes with anything.

• momwithtwo
  Oct 10, 2007 at 7:33 am

  evidence of kidnapping…eh?

  http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article3045360.ece

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Oct 11, 2007 at 2:06 pm

  Susan the date is irrelevant to my point, so is the lack of arrests. My point was not that the McCanns suffered any torture, it was that IF the portuguese police (and that’s as big an if as any of the other details in this case) are/do/did use questionable tactics in interrogating people (including a mother of a missing child, not McCanns) then what else would they do? Especially if they felt their investigation was bungled, or there was more and more pressure as time went on to have some solution to the case.

  It’s hard to say, none of us know as of yet.

• stupipplshldntbreed
  Oct 11, 2007 at 2:09 pm

  Momwith2

  I think that article further supports the possibility of the Portuguese police having screwed some things up. Maybe the brits too. They didn’t see this evidence when they were there last time?

  This case seems to drag on and on, and is it just me or does it almost look like maybe a bit of impropriety on the part of more than one party?

• cozmo
  Oct 15, 2007 at 11:31 am

  It’ll be interesting to see how this ends up. ::shakes his head::

• momwithtwo
  Oct 19, 2007 at 10:48 am

  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2697257.ece

  gee, go figure…

  end this spectrum of speculation….

• mommytobe
  Nov 7, 2007 at 12:49 am

  This page makes me so angry!!! I can NOT believe they are saying she is dead! There is no proof to say she is dead. Look at this as if it was your child missing. How would you feel if people were posting your child was dead? People need to stop trying to get this over with because they are tired of seeing it on the news, they need to be out there supporting and helping any way possible!!

• kate
  May 7, 2009 at 6:10 am

  Blood, saliva & hair on the scene… and the death is considered to be due to over-medication. Do you do any research, or are you just offering titilation for people who can’t get up the nerve to murder their own children? There is something to be said for a blog of this sort… but little to say for yours. It’s daytime TV, when a more thoughtful approach and legitimate follow-up (not to mention, less trailer-park language) would make it a useful site.

  I know, you don’t like critism. But aren’t you bored typing the same words again and again?

• Angel
  May 7, 2009 at 6:53 am

  kate: There are plenty of mainstream (or as you called it - useful) sites out there. This is a place for people to come who want to vent their frustration with the parents of the world who cannot be bothered to do their jobs properly - or at all. If you don’t like the venue, please feel free to leave and never come back. Nobody will really care.

• LIsa
  May 7, 2009 at 7:44 am

  “Do you do any research, or are you just offering titilation for people who can’t get up the nerve to murder their own children?”

  Kate, this is such an inflammatory accusation, and far more than a low blow. It says a lot about your character that you are unable to make your point without pointless hyperbole. You have just fallen off that high horse on which you ride.

• Samantha
  May 7, 2009 at 10:26 am

  Im sorry, but I dont think kate’s comment makes much sense… Am I missing something here???

• Angel
  May 7, 2009 at 10:55 am

  I believe that she was responding to the comment directly above hers, Samantha. About a year and a half late, unfortunately….*lol* If she had used some of her ‘thoughtful approach’ and ‘legitimate follow-up’ (as in looking at the date of the response), she might have avoided making herself look so silly.

  Maybe her high horse realized she had fallen off, and came back to get her, LIsa…..we can only hope.

• LIsa
  May 7, 2009 at 11:03 am

  Huh? Whadyou say? Sorry, I’m busy watching Jerry Springer and wishing I could get up the nerve to murder my children…

• Samantha
  May 7, 2009 at 11:15 am

  Oh ok I got it now… I thought she was replying to the article itself

• sfdude_2008
  May 7, 2009 at 12:08 pm

  LIsa, is it true that you really wish you could get up the nerve to murder your kids? Just kidding! Please don’t take me seriously cuz I’m just kidding!

  As for those so-called parents of Maddie McCann, they deserve to fry!

• LIsa
  May 7, 2009 at 12:18 pm

  Scuse me, gotta put my teef in and put down my PBR…K, now. :))

  I agree with you about this couple — what kind of idiots leave a 4 yo alone in a strange city in an unlocked hotel room with two 2 yo’s? Regardless of whether they were trying to cover something up or not, they are idiots for leaving their 3 blessings all alone! Smart enough to be doctors? I would never let them treat anyone I even remotely know….

• Angel
  May 7, 2009 at 1:34 pm

  So, what’s Jerry Springer about today, LIsa? Maybe I should watch it too…oh, yeah, that won’t be necessary, I’m one of the featured guests. The topic is ‘Parents who beat their kids with two-by-fours’….lol…

  Maybe they got their doctorate in basket-weaving.

• LIsa
  May 7, 2009 at 2:23 pm

  Ding Dang! My pit ate the clicker — now how’m I sposed to watch my stories????

  Seriously now, is Springer still on the air even?

• Angel
  May 7, 2009 at 4:19 pm

  I dunno…..remember - I don’t have TV. Last time I tuned into anything on television was sometime in 2005 I think. I’m not even sure if he was still on the air then, since there were so many other raunchy shows competing for air time….*lol*

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