Parents Behaving Badly

100 opinions for Baby boy born drunk

• Allie
  Jul 18, 2007 at 8:13 pm

  WTF Was she thinking about! I didnt even use mouth wash when i was pregnant because of the alcohol in it! How could she do such a thing?!! Now the poor baby will be brain damaged! Thats just effin sad!

• Kathy
  Jul 19, 2007 at 4:29 am

  Wow. How much alcohol did the “mother” have to consume to get the baby that drunk. There is no way she could have done this without thinking that it could harm the baby. It almost seems to me like she was maybe trying to kill it?!?!
  I hope the laws in Poland terminate this woman’s rights. I think saying she has an alcohol addiction problem is the understatement of the year!!
  Unfortunately, the baby will probably end up in some orphanage with little chances of being adopted because it will be considered special needs. I will pray that this is not the case and that the child will get a stable loving family to grow up with.

• Katie
  Jul 19, 2007 at 6:00 am

  Look, if you aren’t ready to have a child, don’t have one. It’s that f-ing simple. If you can’t refrain from drinking long enough to wait the nine months it takes to have a child, then don’t have one. Get on birth control for the love of God PLEASE!!!! Everyone the whole world over knows about birth control, and there is no excuse for this shit. We as women didn’t choose to be the ones responsible for carrying a child, but since we are and life is that way, then f-ing be responsible if you choose to have a baby. Having a child is a choice that this woman made, and she obviously doesn’t know how to make decisions very well, does she? This poor child. If I was able, I would adopt him. Poor little guy. :( This makes me so angry!!!!

• Amanda
  Jul 19, 2007 at 4:32 pm

  People amaze me! I just had my third child 9 weeks ago and I could not even imagine doing something like this to my child!!! I didn’t even own my body when I was pregnant, my baby did! Some people really should not be allowed to have kids!

• Weapon of Mass Disturbance
  Jul 19, 2007 at 5:19 pm

  Parent licensing is starting to look better and better.

• KiKi
  Jul 19, 2007 at 7:12 pm

  Why in the hell is it so easy for these irrespo`nwomen to just keep having children

• KiKi
  Jul 19, 2007 at 7:19 pm

  Oops! My kitten just walked across my laptop. Why is the hell is it so easy for these irresponsible women to keep having babies when they clearly have no intention of taking care of them.

  I just don’t understand why something can’t be done to prevent women like this from having children.

  Stories like this just make me so angry!

• JustJess
  Jul 19, 2007 at 7:49 pm

  Abusing the baby before it’s even born! What a loser! Hopefully this mother will never have contact with the child again-if we could only be so lucky.

• Michael
  Jul 19, 2007 at 7:57 pm

  Kittens love walking over the keyboard.

• Angela
  Jul 19, 2007 at 10:22 pm

  I’m from Poland, and I live in the US and I’ve seen this story on Polish TV and was like wtf??? I mean this lady was just totally sick to her head drinking while preggo, I heard the baby had 3 times the alcohol limit in his/hers system which is just sick. I don’t’ know what’s the limit in PL, I’ve been here over 10 years, but it just disgust me.
  Another one I heard was that a 2 and a half year boy was found walking on the road in winter time without his shoes, while his mom was passed out drunk in the house. so a man found this little boy and took him to the hospital, he had 3rd degree freezees on his feet, that poor little boy.
  I mean what’s going on with these selfish Polish mothers???
  And believe me I’m not one of them.

• Amanda
  Jul 20, 2007 at 12:33 pm

  the first thing to go when you drink is your ability to make sound decisions. I’ll admit it without shame, I went to bars with friends while pregnant. I never drank though, I got free sodas and waters all night. I just wanted to hang out with friends and therefore was always the designated driver. There is NO excuse for this….I can’t imagine how this kid will grow up knowing that his mother couldn’t even care for him when he was inside her, what the fuck is she going to do now that he’s out. The poor little guy.

• Catbert
  Jul 20, 2007 at 5:20 pm

  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289745,00.html

  this ^^ may be the sickest thing I have ever read

• jessi
  Jul 20, 2007 at 6:14 pm

  Disgusting… I think if they can say we can’t drink until we’re 21, drive w/o taking 2 tests, and bare arms until we are 18… then we need to regulate these future “parents”… if you can even call them that. We have over 4 TRILLION dollars in debt in our country alone, and no medical care. I think that everyone under the age of 21 should be on MANDITORY birth control until they are deemed fit finantially, mentally, and physically. These parents are disgusting.

• Bree
  Jul 21, 2007 at 2:10 pm

  jessi, that is the most retarded thing. THERE SHOULD NEVER be manditory birth control. That takes away a huge freedom from the people of this country. Adults have the right to make their own decisions. Unfortunately that usually turns out bad but its their right to make them and its not our govornments right to take that away until its too late usually. I definately think that there should be more classes and help lines more accessable and widley known to these parents and for those who need help coping and learning whats a good idea and whats not.

• chelsea
  Jul 21, 2007 at 2:13 pm

  yeah i agree wit bree. who is any one to say some one can’t have a baby. you want to pretend to know SO MUCH about the govornment jessy than you should know it was founded on our freedom, and even tho its not directly stated its also our freedom to make our own decisions and our freedom to reproduce. you even thinking that is rediculous. drinking laws are in place because of years of trial and tribulations, so are laws of bearing arms.

• Jules
  Jul 21, 2007 at 3:13 pm

  This is why all people should be given depo vera shots until they prove they can be responsible parents. Why is it that all these shitheads crank out the kids like a pez dispenser? I think the shit’s gonna have to hit the proverbial fan before things start to change for the better.

• jessi
  Jul 21, 2007 at 3:16 pm

  I am simply saying (and NEVER once said I know everything Chealsea… if you are going to piss on someone’s comment- get it right) that because our freedoms are ALREADY going down the drain, I mean, there are laws being passed that we can’t even smoke in our own car!- then why not regulate something as important as becoming a parent? Why is destroying our OWN bodies (i.e., alcohol, drugs, ciggarettes) more important than our children?! You would rather “say” that you have personal freedom (because we all know we don’t) rather than protect the young and innocent? Makes no sense to me.
  ———–
  Now back to Chelsea-
  What “trials and tribulations?” The use of Heroine, and Cocaine was abolished because the government believed black people were using it and becoming “out of hand’”… sleeping with white women, causing riots… etc. When in actuality, it was the white house wife that was most commonly addicted. And for your information… this country was founded by whiskey and moonshine… I don’t have ANY idea what kind of point you are trying to make…
  While Bree on the other hand-
  I respect your opinion completely. You are a well spoken woman, and the options you presented are probably the only thing we can do about this situation. Although, calling someone’s opinion retarded… that’s a little ridiculous.

• jessi
  Jul 21, 2007 at 3:17 pm

  Right on Jules!

• jessi
  Jul 21, 2007 at 3:34 pm

  And Catbert-
  That is disgusting! What is wrong with people today?! A helpless infant- that literally made me puke. And only 24 years! That means he’ll be granted parole in, what, like 10-15 years! He should’ve been raped and then sentenced to the shooting squad! Oh my God, I cannot believe this is the world we are raising our kids in!

• Ihavekidstoo
  Jul 21, 2007 at 3:37 pm

  Yeah, I know it’s radical, but having a child is not a right it’s a HUGE responsibility. And obviously there are a lot of people out there who shouldn’t have the right to choose to take on this responsibility when they can’t even get their own lives straightened out. So I’m with Jules and everyone else who thinks it’s time to institute some kind of mandatory birth control and parent licensing in this country. My freedom of choice ends when a child’s life is involved.

• Michelle from Madison
  Jul 23, 2007 at 9:58 pm

  I agrre there Ihavekidstoo. Sounds like the authorities should be taking away Predator Nancy Grace’s kids the minute they are born.

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 24, 2007 at 7:31 am

  Jules…Have you lost your friggin mind? Because we already have laws and regulations steeped upon us (like not being able to smoke in cars, etc) what’s another freedom of choice taken away? You related to Dubya or what? It is NOT our Governments right to regulate us. Ok, go on back to your herd now. That’s where dumbarse sheep like you belong Jules

• jessi
  Jul 24, 2007 at 8:06 am

  I would rather have NO freedom over having SO MANY beaten/murdered/abused/raped children running around (uh, it’s so common there is a whole PAGE dedicated to it) because having children is a “right”. You’re the sheep “blond”…
  And how in the hell is having an opinion that obviously NO ONE on this page agrees with a sheep? Wouldn’t a sheep just say “okay, whatever you say”… dumbass- grow a brain would you?

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 24, 2007 at 9:21 am

  Then feel free to move to Cuba Jessi. Laws, Rules & Regulations are steeped upon the population as a whole, in Cuba. If being a slave is your cup of tea, then go for it. The percentage of children being “beaten” is very small. MOST children grow up with plenty of food, clothes and adequate shelter. That is why these stories are so shocking because they are not commonplace. Your mentality about punishing the vast majority of good people due to the actions of the relatively few misdeeds sickens me. Our country was founded on INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, the whiny ignoramuses without brains (like you) stayed behind in England. How did you get here? If you don’t like individual freedom then get the F*CK OUTTA A FREE THINKING PERSONS COUNTRY YOU IDIOT NIT

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 24, 2007 at 9:25 am

  And one more thing….Most of these abusers have long history of abuse or neglect, children taken away previously then given BACK. The answer is not to take away everybodys rights, it’s to take friggin ACTION against the *ABUSERS” and stop giving them second, third, ad nauseatum “Chances” when it is completely INappropriate.

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 24, 2007 at 9:28 am

  And sheep was not in reference to you being the only one with an asinine opinion. It was in reference to you asking for CONTROL OF EVERYONE. Run along
  back to your pen now and try to control yourself.

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 24, 2007 at 9:40 am

  My apology to Jules, my post was intended for Jessi and not Jules. Jules makes a lot of sense same as everybody else on this thread except Jessi.

• jessi
  Jul 24, 2007 at 10:14 am

  Wow, funny how people value the thought of freedom over our choices over children’s lives. It’s pathetic, insensetive, and selfish. Why are you so afraid for women to be forced to complete certain programs and have your homes deemed safe BEFORE you have children? Is it because you wouldn’t pass yourselves?

• UM????
  Jul 24, 2007 at 10:19 am

  I said this in another blog, and I guess I’ll say it here (please refer to my comments in the 7 kids in the rat house story!)…there needs to be a “parent licensing” type of thing set up, if you read what I put in the other blog, you’d understand. My plan does not say anything about mandatory birth control UNLESS this person is a repeat offender and depending on the circumstances, charges, etc. I do feel that, and I’ve stated this before as well in other blogs, that being a good parent or bad parent is a moral thing, it has nothing to do with your race, religion, etc, and apparently alot of parents aren’t getting the just of being a good parent!!

  Now I agree, the government does tend to stick their noses into EVERYTHING we do (like the whole smoking issue, etc.), BUT parenting issues have been addressed for many years in this country, that is why we have children services programs! The problem is, these children service agencies (which are usually state AND federal positions) are dropping the ball and not properly implementing and using the resources that are available to them!! That is why I state we need to redo our children services agencies, get rid of the people employed there who are only there for the cushiony government job instead of being there to do the jobs they were hired to do and claim “they are so passionate” about.

  To the person who said that child is abuse is such a small problem, you really should rethink that thought!! The only reason up until now that there hasn’t been alot mentioned about child abuse cases was because no one was really paying attention, and everyone was scared to get involved! What you hear on the news or read in these blogs is just a very small percentage of the tip of the iceberg!!! Don’t believe me? Call your local children services office and ask them how many cases they currently are working on and how many are active cases? Then, figure out how many children services agencies there are all across the US, in every state, county, etc. then take the number of cases you received from the agency you called and times that number with the total number of agencies across the US (we’ll just use the number you received from the one agency as a rough figure for everyone else, although I’m sure depending on the size of the city/state etc, the numbers are probably ALOT higher in some places then others!).

  Ok, now, after you have done all of that math, what number did you come up with? REALLY, THAT HIGH???????? gee, guess child abuse is more of a problem then you thought!! And this is just counting all of those parents who got caught!! LET’S NOT MENTION THOSE WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT YET because their still hiding away inside their house and no one has noticed!!!! AND, of the cases that are active, those don’t also include those single people with no kids who are abusing children, of course children services won’t have an active case going against those people because there is no followup involved with them!! AND, not all cases of child abuse get pressed through children services, in some places, local law enforcement officers handle all of the abuse issues!!

  Ignorance, lack of knowledge, unwillingness to get involved and being blind, thats what makes people make such retarded comments about “well the problem really isn’t as bad as you think!!” I’ve seen parents abuse their children (whether it’s physical or verbal!) right in front of everyone in a grocery store!! And let’s not mention the mother who endangers her child by leaving the child playing with the toys in the toy aisles while she goes around the store to do the rest of her shopping, usually making her 5 year old child responsible for the 2 year old child!! I’ve seen that to!! If child abuse was such a small issue, then none of us (including you!) would be here reading and commenting on these stories, BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO STORIES TO TELL!! Wise up before you start making uneducated comments!!

• UM????
  Jul 24, 2007 at 10:45 am

  Oh and one more thing, why are there so many children in foster homes, children of various ages, waiting to find a home because they were taken away from their worthless parents?? I believe they were originally taken away due to some kind of abuse or neglect in the first place?!?! Again, don’t believe me? Call and ask around as to how many children are in the foster care program hoping to find homes, and if you don’t have kids, why don’t you adopt one, so you can see some of the issues these children are now trying to cope with all because mom had one too many drinks, or dad couldn’t control his anger!!!!! Alot of these children are suffering from lifelong injuries that they by no means asked for, some children are so scared emotionally that they can’t even face others in society, WAKE UP AND SEE THE TRUTH….THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!!! If child abuse wasn’t such a problem, THERE WOULDN’T BE FOSTERCARE PROGRAMS!! Maybe this is why children services are so willing to give kids back to their worthless parents time and time again (which then leads to the childs death!), because maybe the fostercare program is too full and has no more room at the “orphanage” for them??? Again, you apparently dont’ have much education on the subject!! Look at all of the shaken baby syndrome cases, half of these cases happening in daycare centers and with babysitters, etc, look around you and pay attention!! Do you even know if you have any peodophiles living around your home???? Have you checked?

  Children have been abused for years (I was a child of abuse!), but some cases never get investigated, some cases never get reported, me, well, no one paid attention when I would ask for help!!! Now I live with constant back problems because of my mother hitting numberous times on the back with a ballbat, HOPING TO KILL ME!! I didn’t ask to be hit, I only asked to be hugged! And the sad thing, children’s services never got involved (although I would call and ask for help), so my parents got away with what they did because they would make it sound like I was being such a horrible child and they were merely disciplining me. Yeah, the abuse always stayed low key to where I never had serious enough injuries to have to go to the hospital, so no one would even believe my words!! Today, my parents act as if nothing ever happened, they have somehow miraculously put it out of their heads, if I bring anything up, they call me a liar, so I have had to put it behind me, they’ll never tell me what I want to hear….”I’m sorry”, and now they give me cards for my birthday that says how proud they are of me (although as a child, my mother would tell me she wished I was never born!!). It doesn’t heal the pain, but I’ll forgive them and move on, BUT I WON’T FORGET!! Just because you don’t hear or see EVERY case of abuse going on, doesn’t mean it’s not happening! Like my parents, most just haven’t been caught!!!

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 24, 2007 at 10:55 am

  Jessi, I’m gunna state this in a way even you might understand….IF owning a gun was illegal, only criminals would own them. People who abuse
  children will continue to do so whether they take a course or not, mandatory or otherwise. aka criminal behaviour. The people who wouldn’t abuse children wouldn’t anyway, they’d just be penalized for the crimes of the ones who DO abuse children and end up having to take a course they didn’t need. Child abuse IS illegal. Our system is broken. Piling on more Laws, Rules & Regulations don’t make any difference when the ones we already have aren’t enforced. ENFORCING the Laws, Rules & Regulations already in place, will. No more second chances for parents who abuse. One strike you’re out is the best policy. The good parents far outweigh the bad, that is what is meant by relative. You don’t penalize honest good people by others misactions/deeds. What the hell is wrong with you? And if you’re so hot in helping these kids then why are you posting on here and not writing to your representatives and taking action? Do something instead of spouting hot air and do not ever speak on others behalf when it comes down to their rights. That is not your place, EVER.

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 24, 2007 at 11:07 am

  Jessi said and I quote “Why are you so afraid for women to be forced to complete certain programs and have your homes deemed safe BEFORE you have children? Is it because you wouldn’t pass yourselves?” This idiot isn’t even worth answering to but I will say this….The PEOPLE are supposed to control the Government, not the other way around. It is We, the People, not WE the Government. Jessi wants WOMEN to be forced to complete certain programs…lmao at this utter sheer stupidity. I guess men are never abusers or neglectful. What a moronic thing to do, single out just women for forced treatments and programs. I have a program for you Jessi and the first step is to STFU and take your outrageous, bias ideas of CONTROL and utter nonsense, write them down on a piece of toilet paper and next time I run out I’ll use it to wipe my ass with. Even the ACLU would laugh your stupid clown ass out of the room. Get a life, control yourself and stop worrying so much about controlling others.

• UM????
  Jul 24, 2007 at 11:27 am

  ok, you may not be speaking directly to me, but you will be soon……speaking on others rights??? Isn’t that what our president does everyday? Yet, I don’t recall the president calling me and asking me if I thought we should go to war!! I don’t recall ANYONE in the government ever calling me to ask me my personal thougts on ANYTHING!! The government wouldn’t have to step in and think for us if we were thinking rationally for ourselves!! The reason so many laws get put into affect is BECAUSE PEOPLE DON’T LEARN FROM HISTORY, THEY KEEP MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH HALF OF THESE LAWS THAT APPEAR TO INFRINGE ON PEOPLE’S RIGHTS!! Although we may not agree with everything they stick their nose into but hey, at least they are trying to come up with some kind of solutions to problems because we as people can’t seem to resolve these issues on our own!! You state that someone can’t give an opinion which offers a solution to someone, just because you feel it infringes on your rights, and that they don’t have a right to speak on behalf of others, it’s not their place?? YOU SOUND LIKE THE KIND OF PERSON WHO TURNS THEIR CHEEK THEN TO ABUSE HAPPENING IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU SOUND LIKE YOU BREAK LAWS YOURSELF!! How do you know which ones of us haven’t already contacted our representatives and have tried to take action? I thought our government ‘WAS FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE’ and yet I NEVER GET RESPONSES FROM MY GOVERNMENT??? I’m sure your gonna say you didn’t vote for Bush right? If you didn’t, well, he’s speaking on your behalf and spending your hard earned tax dollars on a war to protect who??? We never have attacks against us until we start sticking our noses into stuff acting like some kind of powerhouse!! Imagine if the billions of dollars that have been spent on this war were spent to take care of child abuse issues, housing issues, food issues, healthcare issues, etc in this country?? Wow, then maybe we wouldn’t have all these issues right here at home!!!

  I understand what your saying about the whole mandatory birthcontrol issue, yes, for those of us who follow the law, it would be a burdon. BUT THE THING IS, ALMOST EVERY CITY, TOWN, ETC, IN THIS COUNTRY OFFERS BIRTH CONTROL AT NO COST OR A VERY LITTLE COST IN THE FIRST PLACE, and are these idiots going and getting it???? NO! Therefore, I feel if you are charged with a crime, you should have to be punished by not being allowed to have anymore children! Also, I feel there needs to be more parenting done at home to prevent kids from being so sexually active and having children they can’t care for, after all, as parents, we have now left it up to our school systems to teach our children sex education because as parents we fail to see the importance of doing so!! By making parents take classes before they have children, hell, I feel we should even be making couples have divorce type classes BEFORE they get married (it would probably cut most of the divorce rates drastically!!), then your giving them the resources and the knowledge to be better educated, better suited parents!!! To sit back and say well, you have no right to make decisions for me, well, that’s being a coward, if your abiding the law anyway, then you have nothing to worry about, because who’s making the decision then for these children to be born in these abusive homes??? Whose making the decision that these children have to grow up being neglected, which in turn, they themselves will probably continue the cycle with their own children, and so on!!

  Maybe not mandatory birth control for everyone, no, but one time you get charged with something, even something like endangerment, well, maybe you should be put on hold having children for awhile until you’ve matured some more!!

  And one more thing, you stated “Most of these abusers have long history of abuse or neglect, children taken away previously then given BACK”, calls the McCann’s and let them know this is how you feel, after all, how stupid can you be to leave your 3 children alone while you go eat breakfast, or, go talk to those parents who played dungeons and dragons all day and neglected and starved their kids (to the brink of death!!), or go talk to the parents of the 7 year old who got locked in a room with a bucket to use as a toilet while his parent’s went to a packer’s game, I’m sure in those cases, they don’t have a past history of abuse or neglect in their families, at least not that we’ve heard, but hey, maybe you know something we don’t, they just made a really stupid decision and in turn THEIR CHILDREN PAID THE PRICE!!!!

• Kathy
  Jul 24, 2007 at 11:33 am

  You know, if you are found guilty of abusing an animal, your rights to own any other animals are taken away. No one gets all up in arms over that. can;t have any more animals being victimized by some sadistic animal abuser…
  But try to force sterilization on an abusive parent, HOLY CRAP!
  Since when did children rank lower than animals?

• UM????
  Jul 24, 2007 at 11:43 am

  ok blond, do you really think you have to use such vulgar language and words to this person? It’s possible that this is a teenage girl sitting there trying to express her thoughts, and maybe the words she has typed don’t match what she’s thinking! Why do people come here and have to be so hateful using vulgar words and calling such vulgar names? Maybe before people respond with such hatred, they should stop and think about who they may be responding to, and choise their words wisely, people will take what you say more into consideration if you do it tactfully and without all the vulgarness then if your speewing curse words and calling vulgar names!! These blogs are meant for people to discuss these issues, and as such, we should keep in mind that there could be a young adult present expressing themselves (I have no idea how old Jess is), and instead of talking in such a vulgar way (which really IS NOT a very adult way to talk!!), show some respect and type your words respectfully!! After all, is this how you would talk to a potential child around you? I would hope not!!

  Second, our government is supposed to be by the people, for the people, I don’t know if you meant this to sound this way or not…”The PEOPLE are supposed to control the Government, not the other way around. It is We, the People, not WE the Government”, but that made no sense and contradicted itself!! WE THE PEOPLE ARE supposed to be the government, the government is supposed to be looking out for our best interests and acting as seen fit to protect us. So, WE are the government!! If we weren’t the government, then why do we vote elected officials into office? If we’re not the government, then why are we paying so much in taxes, and then those taxes are being spent elsewhere?? If we aren’t the government, then why are we encouraged (which I think you did yourself) to contact our representatives about issues we feel are important and should be dealt with? I know our government is supposed to listen to us, most of the time it doesn’t. AND, if we feel that the president hasn’t served us well, then we don’t vote him back in!! But I will tell you this, the majority of the time, WE don’t even get it right when we vote people into office and allow them to make decisions for us!! It’s just ashame that considering how much each of us in the USA have been granted so many rights and “powers” by our constitution that really, we have lost control over what our country was really meant to be built on…the concept “by the people, for the people”, there is no more WE in this country, it’s everyone for themselves and tons of I’s!!!

• UM????
  Jul 24, 2007 at 11:57 am

  Kathy, I TOTALLY AGREE!! In fact, to adopt an animal from a shelter, you have to go through a background check (to make sure you haven’t abused any animals, etc), and you have to show that any other animals in the home are up to date on shots and other healthcare issues. Then, if your granted the pet, it’s not “yours” for the next year or so, they follow up and make sure you keep vet appointments, get the pet fixed, etc, THEN after that one year period, the pet becomes yours!! Shoot, they even have better foster homes for the animals then we do for our own children!!! I agree Kathy, maybe our children need an “endangered species” label in order to be protected like animals are protected!! It’s sad animals have more rights then our children!!

  I read a story here recently where a drunk driver killed this woman who was 8 or 9 months old, the mother never got to see her baby, the crash was so horrific and she died instantly (I’ve seen the pics of the car after the crash, picture Princess D’s car, only 10 times worse!!) The hospital did an emergency C-section to try to save this baby boy, he lived just long enough for dad to hold him (just a few minutes!), then he was gone (mom and baby were buried together, inscription read “in mommy’s arms forever”). The sad part is that the drunk driver is only getting charged with the death of the mother, as for him killing the baby….oh well, too bad, he will only be charged with killing the mom and that’s all, no charges brought against him for the death of the baby!! How sad that we value a babies life so poorly!!!!

• Kathy
  Jul 24, 2007 at 12:12 pm

  My dog, Maggie, is a rescue. We had to fill out all sorts of paperwork and have references for her. Show what size are yard was, was it fenced, how many hours we were gonna be away from home etc.
  When we were in the market for a pet, there were even a couple of breeders that would not even give me the application to purchase a puppy because my daughter was under the age of 10! Why? Because they felt that young children might abuse the puppy. Even though my daughter never showed any sign of being abusive to an animal, these people had a right to refuse me an animal. (I totally respected that.)
  Yet, we can not do anything to protect children the same way.

• jessi
  Jul 24, 2007 at 12:29 pm

  Wow, it amazes me how ignorant you are my dear blondie… now it is my turn to dumb myself down so you may understand where I am coming from. Most of these “mothers” and “fathers” don’t want children in the first place. Please, lets not compare having children to criminals owning a gun. Criminals have a WANT and a NEED for guns… to kill. Most of these “parents” have NO WANT OR NEED for these children… they are simply accidents. Yes, you are right, it will still occur. Women will still have them whether it is regulated or not. But MANY WILL NOT. MOST OF THESE WOMEN DO NOT WANT THESE CHILDREN!!! I still can’t believe how heartless you are. I read these stories and cry for hours. I would give anything…. yes, even my rights and freedoms as an American to save these children. If they said I would have to give my arms and legs to save just a handful of these children from such a hateful environment- I would, without thinking twice.I just wish that there were other people out there who thought more about these childrens lives than themselves.

• jessi
  Jul 24, 2007 at 12:34 pm

  Oh, and Blondie- I would appreciate you keeping your asshole remarks about me to yourself. Attack my opinions all you want- I love a good debate… and I (unlike you with your one-sided, completely un able to open your eyes to other’s ideas) respect that you have an opinion. You are someone who feels the need to put others down for no reason. This to me is pathetic. Sweetie- I have a life… and being concerned about the welfare of others is why we are all here? Or is it just to build yourself up (via internet no less) to make yourself feel better about some fulfillment you are missing in your personal life?

• KiKi
  Jul 24, 2007 at 2:22 pm

  Way to go Jessi! I totally agree with everything you guys (Jules & Um??) have said. I’m sick and tired of these liberals being so concerned about freedom of choice, individual choice, etc., what about the children who have no choices? No poor innocent child, should ever be subjected to living conditions, mental abuse, physical abuse and neglect like the stories on this site. As far as I’m concerned, when you treat children like this, you should no longer have a “choice”, a choice to have any more children that you will treat worse than you would some stray animal. This makes me sick!!!

  Unfortunately, no child has a “choice” to who their parents are but fortunately (if they really wanted to), the government can help with that.

  Something must to be done, to protect what will enviably be “our future”.

• jessi
  Jul 24, 2007 at 2:34 pm

  kiki- it’s nice to see that someone on here has the children at heart and not themselves. I commend you for your well thought out comment, and I appreciate that someone is standing up to this nonsense I am reading.

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 24, 2007 at 2:54 pm

  Righttttt…..then why aren’t you out there saving all these children Jessi? You say you’d give your arms and legs why not give that useless hole in the lower portion of your face that bleats nonsense for starters. Again I ask you, why are you on here preaching that everybody, sorry I mean WOMEN ONLY should be forced to take mandatory classes? The sick people will still be sick and the drug users will still be drug users and the abusers will still be abusive and the sane and good will still be sane and good. You lump everybody in together (Good and Bad parents) except the fact that you single out WOMEN and women alone that you feel should be forced to take mandatory courses. It’s people like you who are all talk and no action that perpetuate the problem. Like I said before, ENFORCING rules already in place will do wonders yet pinheads like you want to make even more rules (and I wonder why because they can’t even enforce rules already in place) as if that’s going to solve anything. So go give your arm/s or leg/s, go volunteer, go DO something already. If you think typing in a chat site does any good you’re wrong. This is a place of INACTION, but you already know that don’t you…….

• KiKi
  Jul 24, 2007 at 2:57 pm

  Jessi - Just today on my way home from work I drive near a less than pleasant area of town to get home. I actually saw a woman standing at a highway intersection with a toddler (who had no shoes on) and a baby in a stroller (w/no overhead cover or protection it from the sun) begging for money. Let me also add the most important factor, here in Dallas, TX the temperature is 96 degrees at 5:00PM. It’s awful and heartbreaking to read stories like this, but to have actually witness it, make me want to vomit.

  It’s the hate for President Bush that clouds the judgment of most liberals from the real issues we are faced with everyday. I say GET OVER IT for Gods sake!

  I appreaciate being able to voice my concerns and opinions on this site as it relates to children and the abuse they suffer, but I think it’s real sad when sites like this are used for political grandstanding.

• jessi
  Jul 24, 2007 at 4:24 pm

  kiki- as do I. That is SO sad… I initially just made a comment I’ve been thinking of for a long while now. It turned into people attacking me for my views. This comment was no where near a political standing… it was a thought. I love how everyone brings Bush into it and their bullshit about that. Because you don’t like Bush, don’t put all Republicans in the same catergory.

  And for Blondie- For a 20 year old woman, I am doing the best I can for this “cause”. At only 20, I am raising my child, doing day care for friends who can’t afford it and desperatly don’t want to put their kids in daycare, am working part time, going to school, and am currently looking into becoming a foster parent. I also vote. This is the most I can do at the moment sweetheart. I bet it is FAR more than you are doing… sitting in front of your computer all day, reading horrific stories about young children dying, then bantering the people who actually give a shit about them. You- in my opinion, are a sad, pathetic, meaningless loser who feels better when they air their un-educated, moronic issues out in public. I tried to be nice. I told you I respected your opinion and you continue with the attacks. It’s sad really, and I feel sorry for you. God bless… miss blondie….

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 24, 2007 at 4:35 pm

  Tell us when exactly you are watching these friends children (and your child) when you are glued to the Internet responding to posts like a wildwoman? I could care less what your opinion is about anything, you’ve already proven that you are an idiotic cow. You best hope you don’t have to be forced to take classes on parenting,(YOUR brilliant idea, I might add), they’ll point out to you that sitting in front of the Internet all day neglecting your child (and others children) is NEGLECT so why don’t YOU take a parenting class? Amazing how most will blame others for what they are most guilty of. And as far as my political views are I simply asked if you were related to Dubya. I made no political grandstand here. Perhaps you should take your own advice that you gave out so freely to Chelsea, here’s your quote Jessi: if you are going to piss on someone’s comment- get it right)….So why not take your own sage wise advice since you’re all of 20 years old? I have kids older than you ya brainless snot, go peddle your idiocy somewhere else where someone gives a flying F*CK. LMAO@CHA

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 24, 2007 at 4:41 pm

  And as far as becoming a Foster parent, forget about it. Social services screens you and pay you many unscheduled visits. That would greatly cut into your online computer sessions/chat. I’ve recorded your IP Number and everything I need to forward to Social Services. If I were you I’d shut down my computer, get offa my arse and start cleaning immediately. And maybe spend some time with your child, (and the others). You’ll have a knock on your door within 48 hours…….LOL

• UM????
  Jul 25, 2007 at 5:18 am

  oh geesh, now we have computer geniuses who are looking up other’s IP addresses just because they make a comment on a blog site and calling social services on them?? NO WONDER OUR CHILDREN SERVICES WORKERS ARE SO OVERWORKED AND NOT ABLE TO PUT THEIR ATTENTION TO REAL CASES OF ABUSE LIKE THEY NEED TO!!! First off, I highly doubt you have her IP address, and if you do, well, just because you have it doesn’t mean it’s going to give you the details of her name and address, I can get other’s IP addresses as well and find out who their service is through, BUT if I call their service provider to get their name and address, THEY WON’T GIVE IT TO ME DUE TO PRIVACY ISSUES!! To get that information I would need a court order from a judge!! Blondie, your so full of it, making threats now that social services is going to start knocking on someone’s door just because someone makes a comment!! Thing is, do you know how fast she can type? I can type 70+wpm, just because I post a long response, or even several responses, does not mean that I’m sitting here wasting the day away in front of the comp and neglecting my children, just as I’m sure that’s the case with Jessi! You have no idea what timezone she is in (I know for a fact that the time that gets logged on these posts is by no means what time it is where I am, in fact, my post on this blog that reads 11:57a.m. is not correct, because I typed that in the evening where I”m at!), and you have no idea what her schedule is like on a daily basis, so again, here’s someone jumping on a bandwagon thinking someone is abusing their child just because they made some comments on a blog!! And, maybe we could all do the same and question you about how much time your spending on the comp responding to others responses!! Are you neglecting your husband/marriage while on the comp?? My marriage came to an end because my ex couldn’t stop living on his comp, he refused to get off his comp and spend time with me and the kids, therefore neglecting our needs!!) Are you doing the same?? Maybe you should look at yourself before you start accusing others, after all, I have found that 9 times out of 10 the accuser is usually the one doing whatever it is they keep accusing others of, my ex cheated on me, but I got accused of cheating (even still do now that he’s trying to say our daughter isn’t is jsut because he’s $5700 behind in child support now!)!!!!

  ALTHOUGH, with the way you speak to people blondie, it tends to make me wonder what kind of upbringing you’ve had, you speak with some VERY hateful words!! It’s one thing to disagree with something someone says, it’s another when you start making vulgar personal attacks against someone (especially someone you personally do not know), start making threats that social services is going to be knocking at someone’s door (I highly doubt your “in” that closely with the admin of this site to have gotten much info on jessi!!) just because of some comments they make on a site, and you really seem like you have a real issue of possible discrimnation or prejudism towards others who don’t agree with your thought process. Considering how much time you’ve sat here commenting and attacking to Jessi, why aren’t you yourself out there doing more volunteer work and the like then? To think that you will bash a 20 year old person who seems to at least be trying, well, that’s real mature for someone your age (considering you told us your kids are in their 20s, that should put you in your 40s or 50s, an old dog set in it’s ways, who refuses to see that a change for the good could be made if everyone worked together, and who would rather sit back and do nothing! I always thought elders were supposed to give advice to the younger folks, not spew hatred at them!!) They always say the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, well, I really do hope that your spewing of words is just that your lonely and need a hug…..I have your IP address blondie, a therapist will be showing up at your door within 48 hours, better get your curtains opened up and grab that box of tissues and take your pill, because if they think your depressed or have anger issues or the like, they might lock you away somewhere in a looney bin!

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 25, 2007 at 5:54 am

  UM???? I’m sorry but did your Therapist tell you to go online and tell your life story about your abuse/s in order to get if off your chest? You blather on endlessly about your own problems in the past, mom hitting you with a baseball bat, etc, yadda yadda neglecting the fact that this blog is ABOUT A BABY BORN DRUNK. What makes you so blind to the fact that this is not about YOU? And who are you to judge anybody anyway? And you speak of word spewing? LOL oh My GAWD you do go on and on ad nauseatum don’t you? You manage to say so little with such a boring abundance of words. I’ll state again, I am completely against SINGLING OUT WOMEN TO TAKE FORCED PARENTING COURSES/TREATMENTS BEFORE EVER HAVING A CHILD, WHICH WAS JESSIS BRILLIANT IDEA. THE WOMEN WHO WON’T ABUSE WOULDN’T ANYWAY, THE ONES WHO WILL, WILL. Hey, why not force ALL pregnant women into pens/cages from time of breeding, Hey why not just keep ALL KIDS IN CAGES/PENS TIL THEY’RE 18 TO ENSURE THEY ARE NOT ABUSED. IN FACT, WHY DON’T WE JUST ALL LOCK OURSELVES UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEYS AND STAY IN PENS/CAGES OUR ENTIRE LIVES SO THERE WON’T BE DUI’S, SPOUSAL ABUSE/S, DRUG USAGE AND WE CAN LIVE LIKE THAT SONG “IN THE YEAR 2525″? You do not penalize EVERYBODY for the misactions of the RELATIVELY few. And UM?????, try to realize that this isn’t about you. This is about a baby that was born drunk. Not a forum to enlighten everybody about how hard/bad your childhood was. I’ll guarantee you mine was much much worse than yours but the difference between you and I is I don’t live in the past and I don’t feel a need to upset others even further giving details about my crappy childhood and I don’t have a burning urge to make everything about ME, like you do, apparently. And realize that absolute power corrupts, absolutely. Chickens mass produced are kept in pens and cages so they don’t stray, get harmed. The worst words you will ever hear from the Government is “We’re here to help you”.

• UM????
  Jul 25, 2007 at 6:28 am

  first of all blondie, I wasn’t tellng my life story as you put it, to make this about me, I was using what had happened to me as an example of how much our system let’s kids down!! Re-read my post on that, there are serious issues with our system, and for anyone to just sit back and be willing to accept that is just stupid!!

  Second of all, I never said I agreed with women all being made to take birth control, but I do feel that putting parents (notice the s at the end of the word parent…) through “classes” to prepare them for their child and the lifelong commitment to that child that has to be made is important!! Now, there usually are tons of women being left as single mothers, I know tons in my area that sit at home all day collecting welfare, their children (most under 11 years old!) run around the neighborhood unsupervised, while mom is inside the house working on kid number 5 with her new boyfriend! I’ve also seen mother’s who leave their 5 year old in charge of the 2 year old sibling just so mom can hang out inside the house with some guy she just met?? Your saying these people couldn’t benefit from a more thorough “training” in being parents?? Your saying that these people should be allowed to keep continueing to have children that the rest of us have to watch and raise all because mommy doesn’t want to lose her benefits? What about the mom’s who throw their kids needs aside because of a new boyfriend?? You think she should be allowed to have more children AFTER she has already killed her other children just so she could keep her man???? I feel that parenting is something that should be given as a right, after all, we’re not supposed to be animals anymore, we’re supposed to be civilized, and with civilization comes responsibilities, shoot, it’s not like we’re going to go extinct and the hamsters will take over just because we start setting down some rules for those people who have a hard time handling the responsibility of being a parent but keep popping more out!! I do feel that to say every woman has to be given mandatory birth control is extreme, which I said clearly in another post, BUT, if your found guilty of child neglect, endangerment or abuse, then yes, maybe birthcontrol should be considered, FOR BOTH THE MAN AND THE WOMAN INVOLVED IN THE CASE!! Of course though, I suppose if a man who has just been released from prison for raping many many women came and raped one of your children, you wouldn’t like to see his privates removed? I bet you would, you sound like that kind of person. Like I said before, if your abiding by the law, then you have nothing to worry about!! But it sets an example for the ones who can’t abide by the laws to make an example of those who break the law!!!

  Oh and on the long, rambling posts, I’ve appologized before, I get started and the fingers just go!! But I will say this, NOT ONCE HAVE I ASKED FOR PITY FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO ME AS A CHILD, in fact, I have promised to stop the cycle with me and not let that be carried on to my children!! I merely stated what had happened to me as an example to a point I was making, I’m sorry if you couldn’t understand that!! Maybe you should take your time reading through the posts instead of hastily going through them picking out what you are offended by, and don’t read them while your mad, it makes it even harder to understand what your reading!! If you have read the other posts on here, you would have seen that my posts (even the post where I “talked about me”) were either in response to someone else’s post or a post of how I felt on a subject.

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 25, 2007 at 6:51 am

  Hoe dare you presume to tell me what/how my feelings are and what my thoughts/ideas are? I’ve read everything fully. And words on a screen do not anger me, ever. Just because something makes you angry does not mean it makes everybody angry. Horrified is a better word in which I would choose to describe my feelings. The vast majority of these people who abuse children have a long history of being abusive. As I’ve stated before, the Laws we have in place NOW, need to be enforced. Heaping up new Laws, Rules & Regulations will just add on more Laws, Rules & Regulations so even more Laws, Rules & Regulations will go on to be ignored/unenforced. For example, 9/11 is said to be caused by misinformation by our own intelligence agencies. So what do we do? Create a huge Homeland Security Department costing taxpayers into the billions of dollars that to this day, 5 years down the road still is completely ineffective when all we had to do was fix the miscommunication with our intelligence agencies. Heaping on more Laws, creating new agencies isn’t the answer. It’s fixing what is wrong, with what we already have. The child abusers, the vast majority of them have exhibited warning signs that even Helen Keller could figure out. These people should be flagged. What’s worse is when Social Services gives back kids to families that have already abused them. I’ve seen many deaths from that alone. That is despicable. One strike should be it if you abuse/harm a child.

• UM????
  Jul 25, 2007 at 6:54 am

  oh and blondie, I don’t see your name listed anywhere as a moderator of the site responsible for “keeping people on the topic”, just as I’m not a moderator either! BUT, as a reader of these blogs/posts, I do have the right to a) ask that people respect others and watch what they say, and b) report to the site requesting that someone be banned from posting if they are being offensive and vulgar. If you don’t like what other people are posting, and you feel it’s not related to the topic, then please, move along, go elsewhere, STOP READING NOW!! Save us all the grief…please!! I have no problems with reading and “listening” to others opinions, but I feel everyone should handle themselves responsibly and treat others with respect when responding! After all, if we can’t be responsible for our own actions, then the government may feel they have to again step in and MAKE us responsible! (that’s why they keep stepping in making up more rules to follow, which are usually pushed BY THE PEOPLE, because as a society, we can’t be responsible for our own actions and show that we can handle that responsibilty) We wouldn’t want to lose our right to post here would we just because the owner of the site decided people were getting too out of hand right???

• UM????
  Jul 25, 2007 at 7:08 am

  I agree blondie, I really do, and I’m not stating that “parenting classes” should be a new law, the thing is, there are already parenting classes that people are ordered to take, people getting divorces are reguired to take divorce classes, etc, the thing is, THESE CLASSES AREN’T WORKING!! And that isn’t a breakdown of the system there, those classes aren’t working because the people ordered to attend them don’t take the info seriously!! I’ve been to several of these classes and watched as people sit starring off into space (these classes are usually only 4 hours long tops!!), watching their watches waiting for time to leave, I was even in a courtroom where a woman in a custody case was asked by the judge what she had learned from her divorce class, SHE COULDN’T ANSWER TO SAVE HER LIFE!! The judge ended up cutting her off and moving on, it was apparent she had not learned anything from that class, there was no retention.

  As I’ve stated before, these things are already in place, and as good as the intentions are, it’s not working. So, I feel the classes should be made spread out over a period of a year or two, more hands on, etc, tests given to make sure people are retaining the info, etc, and this is just if your charged with one of the minor charges of neglect or endangerment (leaving your 5 year old in charge of your two year old and then leaving both of them alone to play in the toy aisle while you go do the rest of your shopping…..yes I’ve seen this happen more times then I care to count….is considered child endangerment as far as I’m concerned!!). The person charged with the “minor” charges of neglect and endangerment are on a probation period, two years long, with the first year being full of these classes they are required to take, and, THEY HAVE TO PAY for these classes and the monitoring service that makes sure their going to these classes! If your charged with abuse, or the bigger charges, then yes, birthcontrol, etc, come into play!!

  I have posted in other areas of this site this same info, whether it’s talking about how I think the classes should be set up and arranged, to many other topics! Please feel free to look at some of the other blog entries/posts around the site that I have put, then it might make more sense (because of my extremely long posts, I don’t want to have to retype or copy it all over to here). Again, sorry for the long posts, but I’m passionate about how I feel, and I feel that if others would make a stand and demand our government to pay more attention to the flaws we already have in our system and work towards fixing those, then this country might be able to get back on track as an example to other countries. But instead, we’re too worried about how other countries treat their people!! Again, I don’t recall anyone in our government calling me to ask my opinion on how billions of dollars are spent!! so much for this being MY government, a government that’s for the people, by the people!! I vote, and I still don’t think it makes a difference!! But that’s just my thought!

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 25, 2007 at 7:31 am

  It is not our Governments business to fix our problems, that should fall to the individual State/s. Unfortunately, it is apparent that the younger generations have been dumbed down. This is tragic indeed. I suggest reading George Orwells “1984″. Or perhaps start with “Animal Farm”. That might be a easier gradient to grasp first….Our founding Fathers envisioned a Republic, that is what our country is founded on, a Republic. The idea of a Democracy was totally repugnant to our founding Fathers. Limited Government is what they stood for. We left England for a reason, that reason was to be FREE from the Laws we were bound by in England and to pursue life, liberty and happiness. We are turning into everything our founding Fathers were against. And just because Dubya is taking more rights away from us every day does not make it LEGAL. Because it is not. It is the Executive Branch gone wildly illegal. Our Government was set up to have 3 branches of EQUAL POWER. However, our rights have been stripped away. Bush could call a dissenter an “enemy combatant” and forget your phone call. You get whisked away to some secret prison, no lawyer, nothing. You don’t ASK these idiotsPower hungry freaks whose only mission IS TO ENSLAVE YOU to just enslave you more, you end their reign. With that said, after reading those books, I ask anybody who still feels we should invite Big Brother to heap up more Laws on us and control us further, to come back here and tell us. I will gladly direct you to the nearest chip center where you can go get chipped like a dog and have your every move monitored. You will then forever more, be a slave and you’ve helped them complete their ultimate goal.

• jessi
  Jul 25, 2007 at 9:45 am

  Blondie- I am over this childish and incesent bullshit. Think what you want- okay I am an “ignorant cow”… but I do NOT neglect my children. I happen to have an amazing part time job that allows me to check my e-mail during slow parts of the day. And I work mon-wed so I’m sure that you won’t be hearing from me for a while. But I see that you have been arguing with UM??? for a while now… Thanks for all of your words of kindness and wisdom… Please do not respond to get the last word in… But then again, you don’t have a life so you just might…
  With love
  Jess
  A HARD WORKING:
  MOTHER/WIFE/SISTER/WORKER/BABYSITTER/FUTURE FOSTER PARENT

• UM????
  Jul 25, 2007 at 10:28 am

  I’m not sure how young or old you think I am, and sometimes I don’t think age has anything to do with how mature someone is!! Ok, I think anyone here with some common sense to them knows who makes the laws, etc, and when most refer to the government, they refer to local, state, and federal entities in a general term…the government. First off, unless I’m wrong (and I dont think I am), the children services programs are usually state run, federally governed.

  Ok, I’m not going to turn this into a bunch of political “campaigning” with you, but I do want to address something you stated:
  “Our founding Fathers envisioned a Republic, that is what our country is founded on, a Republic. The idea of a Democracy was totally repugnant to our founding Fathers. Limited Government is what they stood for. We left England for a reason, that reason was to be FREE from the Laws we were bound by in England and to pursue life, liberty and happiness. We are turning into everything our founding Fathers were against.”

  Ok, first off, I believe in Native American ways, so don’t get me started on the whole england and so and so etc stuff. BUT, what I will say is this…..HOW DID THE GOVERNMENT GET SO SCREWED UP THEN FROM THE ORIGINAL FOUNDING FATHERS PLAN??? Oh, could it be because they gave all of us in this country the right to vote along with all of the other rights they gave us in this country??? Last time I checked, most laws don’t go into affect until AFTER we get to vote on the issue, and AFTER it goes through other chains of command, chains of command that WE THE PEOPLE voted into place or elected someone else to appoint into place on our behalf. Now, if you have a problem with that process, I’m sorry, I’m not one of the founding fathers who put all of that into place!! Sounds like you think there is a conspiracy going on in the government against the people of this country, and sometimes, I’ve wondered myself, BUT I have yet to have something go into effect as a law that hasn’t been put forth to the people to vote on (like all this no smoking stuff, etc.), so if you feel that is happening where you live, that your not getting to vote on laws being put into affect, check with your LOCAL government then, because like you state, THE BIG BROTHER GOVERNMENT is not putting those laws against you and must be keeping you from voting on them!!

  And are we not already a “slave” to the government? Good lord, last time I checked, we get taxed on EVERYTHING!!! I’d like to see you refuse to pay your taxes each payday (even if you did refuse, they would still take it anyway!), or refuse to pay sales tax, etc, I guarantee you you won’t get far before they catch up with you! And why is that so?? BECAUSE WE THE PEOPLE LET IT GET THAT WAY!!! Now maybe it’s time that WE THE PEOPLE, take back our government then. And like I’ve said before, I don’t see anyone from ANY of the government entities calling me everytime they send money to another country, or buy new office furniture, or spend millions of dollars to build a better police building when the other building is only two years old and fine, NO ONE CALLS ME ASKING ME HOW TO SPEND MY MONEY I’VE PAID INTO THE SYSTEM!!

  I don’t know, you seem like you have some old 60’s resentment still in you, and I really don’t see how any of that has to do with correcting the problems in the children services programs and trying to make our government pay more attention to the real issues we have here at home to improve/redo what’s broken!! And like I’ve stated before, if people were more responsible for themselves and for their actions, we wouldn’t be VOTING on laws to go into effect to deal with people who can’t be responsible!! Yeah, our government wasn’t put here to protect us from ourselves, BUT, when others start putting those around them at risk, who’s going to hold them accountable?? Who holds the parents accountable for their actions when they abuse their child? The child can’t defend him/herself, so then laws get voted on, passed, and put into place to protect the rights of those WHO CAN’T PROTECT THEMSELVES!! If everyone did the speed limit on the roads (after all, we’re in American, not Germany!), or at least drove like they had some sense (put your cell phones away, pay attention to what your doing, look both ways, and keep a safe distance between you and the car in front of you….your driving a car, not a phone booth!!), then we wouldn’t have a need for laws to protect others from those around them!!! I think you fail to see why laws are put into affect, and why people feel these laws need to put into affect, because why should my children and I have to die in a horrific car crash all because you had to talk on your cell phone to the clerk about your new pair of shoes that don’t fit right????

  You stated “It is the Executive Branch gone wildly illegal. Our Government was set up to have 3 branches of EQUAL POWER” again, apparently the majority of people in this country have voted somewhere along the line and given more power then to somebody who got voted into office then we’re aware of! Go arrest them I guess, do a civil servants arrest on all of those involved in these illegal actions your referring to. You say I don’t keep on the subject, but good grief, your going way off on a political stance somewhere now trying to teach all of us history, did someone confiscate your peace van or something and your still resentful? I’ll say it again, obviously THE PEOPLE have voted alot of things into laws each election day, as well as the people who are in office, I don’t like anything that is screwed up with the government, I think our government and most of the people in it have their priorities mixed up! But hey, I’m an independant, I can’t stand all the lies that come out of the democrats and the republicans mouths! But then again, who am I?? I’m just a simple person trying to live like everyone else in a world where I would hope I can feel safe for my children!! If that’s so wrong or too much to ask, then please, by all means, you do have the right to leave this country if you don’t agree with it and cant bare to live with it, your free to go find another piece of land where you can force the indeginous people already living there into your way of thinking and force them to give up their land to you!

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 25, 2007 at 1:33 pm

  WE the people didn’t vote to have the writ of Habeus Corpus, etc., taken away, which in turn kills the Bill of RIGHTS. That was cooked up and slid through Congress right after 9/11 to “Make us safer”. Nobody asked me either about what my thoughts, Ideas etc were on that. So we are trying to give Iraqis DEMOCRACY and we are paying for that while our own rights are being eroded and/or outright obliterated. Benjamin Franklin once said “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”…I wholeheartedly agree with that. Here is an excerpt from Keith Olberman video relating to the Bill of Rights:

  OLBERMANN: The reality is without habeas corpus, a lot of other rights lose their meaning. But if you look at the actual Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments of that pesky Constitution, you’ll see just how many remain for your protection.

  OK, No. 1 is gone. I mean, if you’re detained without trial, you lose your freedom of religion and speech, press, assembly, all the rest of that. So, you don’t need that any more. And you know, you can’t petition the government for anything.

  No. 2, While you are in prison, your right to keep and bear arms just might be infringed upon even if you’re in the NRA, so that’s gone.

  Three, well OK, no forced sleepovers at your house by soldiers.

  Three’s all right.

  Four, you’re definitely not secure against searches and seizures, as it says here, with or without probable cause. And, in prison that’s not limited to just the guards, so forget the fourth.

  Five, grand juries and due process, obviously out, so forget five and the little trailer up here.

  Six, well trials are gone too, let alone the right to counsel. Speedy trials? You want it when?

  Seven, well this is about—I thought we just covered trials and juries earlier so forget the seventh.

  Eight, well, bail’s kind of a moot point isn’t it?

  And nine, other rights retained by the people. Well, you know, if you can name them during your water boarding, we’ll consider them.

  Ten, powers not delegated to the United States federal government. Well, they seem to have ended up there anyway. So as you can see, even without habeas corpus, at least one tenth of the Bill of Rights, I guess that’s the Bill of Right, now—remains virtually intact. No. 3 is still safe.

  We can rest easy knowing that we will never, ever have to quarter soldiers in our homes as long as the third amendment still stands strong.

  The president can just take care of that with a signing statement.

  Yes I agree that abused children is a horrific thing. But I warn you….while we are occupied with stories like this one, it is taking our attention away from the rest of us what little rights we have left. It is what is called smokescreening, shifting the spotlight, what have you. The day will come sooner than you think that you will feel very sheepish for asking the Government/State for yet more Regulations. It is like a sheep asking the wolf for protection when all the wolf wants to do is eat the sheep, the wolf says SURE, I’ll protect you, yeah right, it makes no sense. I misspoke before, it is the Peoples place to Govern ourselves from cradle to grave, not the Government or States duty.

• UM????
  Jul 25, 2007 at 5:21 pm

  First off, if you end up in prison for committing a horrific crime (say your employer cheats you out of pay, then lays you off, so you get mad and walk in with your NRA protected gun rights and start shooting up everyone in the office, even the poor UPS delivery man who didn’t even know you), which you were found guilty of, why should you have the same rights as the rest of us law abiding citizens??? To me (and I’m sure many others who, like all of us, pay taxes to support the prison system, would agree with me on) if you commit a horrific crime, you have forfeited your rights, including your gun rights!! You knowingly commited the crime, knowing you were breaking the law, you have not only killed the people in the office that made you mad, but also their families!! And you think that you should be allowed to sit in a jail cell for the rest of your life, basically living off the system, being provided with free room and board basically that the rest of us have to work hard to pay for, 3 square meals a day when most people are lucky to have 2, and life out the rest of your life with all or even more rights then those who live honestly, work hard, and abide the laws?? Please, you sound like you want to live in the wild wild west again, where you shoot first, ask questions later, and no one really pays attention to the lives you destroy along the way, as long as your able to keep your gun!! The problem with todays society is that people DON’T govern themselves from cradle to grave, and when they do something wrong, they want everyone to forgive everytime they keep making the same mistake over and over again and allow them to continue on with life as if nothing ever happened. But sorry, it doesn’t work that way in reality!! If people in our society were so capable of governing themselves, like I said before, then we wouldn’t have a need for laws! I have the right to walk down the street with my children without having to worry about who’s going to drive by and pull out a gun and start shooting, or who had one too many drinks and was dumb enough to get behind the wheel of a car and drive and runs us over, I have the right to know that my 3 year old child can play in the backyard without worrying about some child predator taking off with her while my back is turned and doing unimaginable things to her and then finding her dead! I have the right to be able to work hard for my money, and then walk down the street with it in my purse without worrying about some idiot too lazy to get a job grabbing my purse with my rent money in it and taking off with it, just so he can go buy some crack with it!! I have the right to feel safe in my home without having to worry about someone breaking in during the night, raping me and my children while we lay in bed, and then stealing everything I’ve worked hard to get!! But yet you say my rights have been taken away?? Yeah, I guess they have been when PEOPLE CAN’T GOVERN THEMSELVES!!!

  When an animal has more rights and laws protecting it then my child does, then yeah, I’m going to hold someone accountable for that! So then you say I can’t go to those who help us enforce the laws and ask that stronger sentences be placed on those who CAN’T GOVERN THEMSELVES?? You sound like you’d rather live in a country where people are just allowed to run around like wild animals doing whatever they feel like to each other, with no consequences for their actions, and no one holding anyone responsible for their actions!! And the last time I checked, I still have the right to hold rallies, and push to have laws enforced, changed, or created, and I have the right still to sign petitions demanding that something be changed, AND I STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOICE HOW I FEEL AND SAY HOW I FEEL ABOUT OUR COUNTRY AND WHATS WRONG WITH IT, OUR PRESIDENTS, OUR STATE SYSTEMS, OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND TO VOTE TO TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, NO MATTER HOW SMALL THAT DIFFERENCE MAY BE AT TIMES!! Sounds like most of my rights are still intact, in fact, the person you qouted, well, obviously his right to freedom of speech hasn’t been taken away, because you were able to read what he wrote and repost it to others!! YES, our country is royally screwed up, and how to fix the BIG picture, I’m not sure, but if we start with the little things, maybe those will grow into the bigger things being changed!! I have yet to have the police show up at my door and take me away for speaking my mind!

  BUT, how is it that I have so many rights and my children or other children don’t have those same rights??? aaawwww, poor mommy can’t govern herself enough to get a job, feed her kids, and take care of them, she can’t even govern herself enough to keep her pants up!! But thats okay, as long as she doens’t lose any of her rights, it doens’t matter what she has done to her children, even if it means their dead??? aaaawwww, poor daddy, he can’t handle the pressures of paying bills, so instead of paying bills, he goes and buys alcohol, and gets smashed on drugs, then comes home and when little johnny looks at him and says “hi daddy, i love you”, dad is so furious at the world that it’s okay daddy, slam me a few times against the wall, break my arm, and while I’m screaming in pain, shake me a few times to get me to stop crying, but that’s okay daddy that I’m dead now as long as you don’t lose any of your rights to be able to have more children, get drunk and high, and do the same to my siblings, because I’ll still love you anyway daddy, your the best!!! Do see how stupid that all really sounds??? If you don’t think that that sounds stupid, then like I said before, feel free to leave this country and go start your own world on an island where everyone is allowed to live so freaking freely that they all just shoot each other up for laughs!!! If your caught with the knife in your hand and you confess to doing the crime, why waste more of MY tax paying dollars to give you a fair trial when you’ve already admitted to doing it? Hell, even Bob Barker would encourage people everyday to have their pet spayed or neutered!! I’d like to hear someone say everyday on a game show….remember everyone have your abusing, neglecting, endangering neighbor whose been charged with the crime, spayed or neutered! Goodbye everyone!

• UM????
  Jul 25, 2007 at 5:41 pm

  Oh and something else, times have changed, maybe it is time that our government and our laws change to reflect those changes!! This isn’t Leave it to Beaver’s world anymore!!

• Drunk baby
  Jul 26, 2007 at 12:05 pm

  […] Parents Behaving Badly has reported a story about a baby boy who was born drunk - drunk as in six times the legal limit. The full story says that the woman, residing in Poland, was obviously very drunk herself when she arrived at the hospital to give birth. Apparently the doctors believe the baby will most likely suffer from permanent neurological damage from the high alcohol level in his tiny body. […]

• Michelle from Madison
  Jul 27, 2007 at 12:15 pm

  Maybe Nancy Grace should try to cover this case on her show to help get the word out about alcoholic parents, like Nancy will soon be. On Nancy Grace’s Wednesday show, she had Glenn Beck of CNN on as a guest to try to explain some of the problems both Nancy and Glen face as being alcoholics, and the issues of the alleged drug-usage by Predator Grace. Nancy tried to show some similarities of her problems to the problems facing LOHAN right now. It did not end up helping Nancy to point out more of the problems Nancy has faced for years. It only served to confirm some of the many incompetencies Nancy has documented against herself. Hopefully, the lesser-informed viewers, and the true supporters of Predator Grace, may begin to finally put the pieces together as they begin to realize why Nancy needs to continue to attend professional treatment facilities from places like “Promises Treatment Facility,” where Nancy stated just last night that she needs to go to a place like this to get more treatment for her dysfunctional and un-professional actions against victims that Nancy has documented against herself. Her repeated recognition of her continued need for treatment is a good sign.

• Lisa
  Jul 27, 2007 at 3:39 pm

  jessi, totaly off subject but . . . are you in New Mexico?

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 29, 2007 at 6:31 am

  You need to do some research and get your facts straight. First off, if guns were illegal ONLY the criminals would have guns because law abiding citizens wouldn’t want to break the Law by having them, hence only the criminals would have them. So there wouldn’t even be any kind of equalizing force, then. In Orange County, CA. nobody has the right to have a concealed weapon permit unless they are an official, judge, cop, etc OR they’ve already been a victim of a violent crime. So the victim of a violent crime AFTERWARDS can go ahead and apply for a concealed weapons permit, that is, if they’re not already dead or too disabled at that point. Back in 1982 a small town, Kennesaw, GA, made it mandatory for all heads of households to own a firearm and ammunition. There was a substantial drop in crime…UM?????, you stated and I quote “You sound like you’d rather live in a country where people are just allowed to run around like wild animals doing whatever they feel like to each other, with no consequences for their actions, and no one holding anyone responsible for their actions!! Do I? When did I ever give that impression? It is our constitutional right to bear arms. That is our right. If you don’t like the foundation our country is premised on, instead of you telling everybody else to leave, there’s the door.
  Furthermore, if concealed weapon permit holders were allowed on Campuses, the Virginia Tech debacle wouldn’t have been such a bloody massacre. Instead of all those law abiding students getting shot to death like lambs being led to slaughter while the police sat outside like friggin morons with their thumbs up their collective you know whats, for it could have ended long BEFORE any law abiding citizens were murdered. Cho bought semi-automatic pistols two years after being declared mentally unsound, despite federal law intended to prevent such purchases. Almost every school shooter has been taking, or withdrawing from, a psychotropic drug. Again, the Law in place needs to be enforced, not heaping up more and more Laws and taking away more rights. You don’t penalize all for the misdeeds of the relatively few. And never should we have to sit and wait for cops to come protect us when they will always put THEIR and fellow Officers safety (and maybe rightly so) before yours or your family. I’ll bet you any amount of money those students were cursing the Law that concealed weapons were not allowed on Campus, before they were gunned down like fish in a barrel. Without guns the students of Virginia Tech were “26,000 sitting ducks,” said Chris Krok of Atlanta’s WSB radio in a view echoed by many residents of Kennesaw. In my view, it is UNamerican and UNpatriotic to be against the Constitution.

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 29, 2007 at 6:33 am

  *And the Bill of Rights*

• UM????
  Jul 30, 2007 at 4:52 am

  Blondie, I have said this before already, I agree that some laws need to be changed, and when some of the laws are changed, that means that something relevant to the times most likely will need to be added. The thing is, you reference school shooting incidences…..would a concealed weapon have helped those kids at Columbine??? So now we should even give our kids concealed weapons to carry to school with them? I can see it now…..Have fun at school today Johnny, and remember, if Sammy tries to beat you up and take your lunch money again, be sure to pull out that new 45 me and daddy got you and put a slug in his brain okay?

  The whole time you’ve been rambling with your political speach, first off, YOU HAVE YET TO OFFER ANY SOLUTIONS WITH ALL THOSE FACTS YOU QUOTE! Second, we have been discussing the rights of our children and who’s supposed to be protecting them……I really don’t see how you or anyone else being allowed to carry a gun really helps in controlling abuse against our children, if anything, if anything, with you stating give everyone guns, your now submitting our children to EVEN MORE abuse…..10 year old Timmy is throwing rocks at cars as they pass on his residential street, yes, this is wrong, but Mr. Smith drives by, his car gets pinged by a rock (no major damage done to the car, the dent isn’t any bigger then the dent Mr. Smith put in the car the other night when he was drunk and ran into a pole), Mr. Smith stops his car, and instead of trying to talk to the boy or his parents, or even calling the police (so insurance, which Mr. Smith probably doesn’t have on his car in the first place, can handle the damages), he pulls out his concealed weapon and puts two bullets in 10 year old Timmy’s chest, then he gets in his car and drives down to the bar and soon forgets everything that happened that evening. (This actually happened close to my home, 3 kids involved, 1 died, the other two injured, the gunman was finally caught later and charged with murder!)

  It’s like you don’t want to give people a CHOICE to change their actions, you just want to put a bullet in them with your concealed gun and be done with the matter. I don’t agree with the concealed weapon part at all!! If your gonna be so proud and tough to carry the stupid thing, then put it where people can see it, and then it at least gives them the option BEFORE they do something to you to make that choice whether they still want to do something to you or move on about their life. AND, I really don’t see how concealed weapons solves ANY issues of child abuse, neglect or endangerment!

  So now we’re putting guns in our kid’s hands…..but who’s setting the examples for them? A family of four found dead in their homes because every member had a gun, and during a family dispute…started by 5 year old Jimmy…..the entire family shot each other up, and reports say it looks like the 5 year old got the last shot in. Ya know, maybe that doesn’t sound so bad……while packing my kids lunch for school, I’ll be sure to include their gun in their backpack….Yeah, I dare that peodophile to take my kid now!! BUT, I just pray she has the strength and time to get to that gun before this 300 pound man finds it and uses it against her!! WHAT NONSENSE!!!

  Birthcontrol sounds more constitutionally right to me then concealed weapons and whatever else you’ve stated to cut down the child abuse, neglect and endangerment issues, after all, I highly doubt that the doctors are now going to put on the “milestones for childrens development” charts…..”at 6 months your child should now be able to sit up and hold a gun”

  Again, offer solutions that make sense to stop child abuse, neglect and endangerment, don’t offer solutions that are just going to add to the problem (ie. concealed weapons, etc.). You can’t stop violence with even more violence!! History repeats itself…..apparently no one has learned anything from our past wars, conflicts, etc, and yet so many people quote from the past!!

• UM????
  Jul 30, 2007 at 5:07 am

  oh and it’s not this country I don’t like, it’s ALOT of the people in it I don’t like!! All the prejudism and racism, the hate, the crime, yeah, I know these things are everywhere but you would think that in this country those things wouldn’t be such big topics, considering we’re the land of the free, a culturally diverse nation….and yet everyone hates each other so much in this country!! People don’t have respect for each other, their children, or themselves! So despite all of the freedoms we do have in this country, it’s all the prejudism and racism that causes people to feel like their rights have been taken away! And why? Because people can’t learn to accept those around them for who they are, people aren’t willing to say….hey your different, but that’s okay! The way I see it, as long as your not trying to convert me to your religious beliefs, or push my children into doing things that aren’t appropriate, and your not bothering me and my children or harming those around you….then hey, be you, as long as your actions don’t harm my children, me or any other children around you, go in your house and paint your walls black in your bedroom! It’s just ashame that with all of the diversity that represents America, all of the diversity that this country is supposed to be founded on (you said yourself, the english came here to get away from a controlling government, although those english folk were quick to force everyone to believe in their ways and follow their “laws”!), and all of the diversity that is so greatly found in our country today that we have yet to learn to live happily with each other! Our founding fathers meant well I’m sure, they did everything with the best intentions, but gee, this isn’t 1776 anymore and this country has changed!!

• Blonddbythelight
  Jul 30, 2007 at 5:56 am

  I didn’t realize it was my J-O-B to offer solutions to lifes ills. Furthermore, I think your analogy of some kid throwing a rock at a car and leaving a dent and the driver of the car pumping 2 bullets into the kid is patently ridiculous. People with concealed weapons permits have to be fingerprinted, cannot have been a psychiatric patient and have a clean background.Why you believe they are all loose cannons is beyond me. I believe in the right to defend my children and myself if an intruder steps foot into my house with intent to do me and mine harm. While you’d be happy as a hog in mud frantically dialing the cops and waiting for them while you and your kids are raped, cut to ribbons and/or gunned down, I’ve taken the ridiculous wait time out of the equation. That is my job as a mother, to protect my children. If you cannot protect your own kids, by yourself (And in a timely manner) against intruders intent to do you and your family harm then what makes you any better than the woman who gave birth to a drunk baby? Both scenarios are easily preventable. Except in your case you’d sit and wait huddled up in some closet with your terrified kids hoping this intruder didn’t target you on a busy cop night…Do you think the cops will just bust right in? No, they have to call their Supervisors, assess the situation, put people in place, negotiate, etc. Which is all fine and good if you’re not already dead. I’ll guarantee you if you were tied up and your son or daughter was being raped right in front of your face you would be praying for an equalizer. Wouldn’t you? Or am I wrong? My son was held up by a 15 year old black kid with a gun to his face. Unfortunately, people like you only learn to defend yourself and others you are supposed to defend AFTER there an incident occurs that could have been easily preventable. And if another man ever feels I am an good target for a rape, next time I will show him different by separating his family jewels from the rest of his body. The police weren’t anywhere around then….so I would be a fool to think the police would be there a second time. In a nutshell, I really don’t care what your beliefs are or what you do, as long as you don’t infringe on my beliefs/rights and I don’t infringe on your beliefs/rights. It’s what is called respect.
  I will respect your beliefs/rights as long as they don’t infringe on mine and others beliefs/rights. Maybe you haven’t had a close brush with death. If that’s so, then I’m glad. But you, I or anyone cannot predict how you’d feel if you are a victim, got no help and are a survivor. There’s nothing as humbling as being a victim and being totally helpless. But those who’ve gone through what I have and survived, may or may not choose to protect themselves. But whatever they choose to do, I will respect that. But don’t judge others for wanting to help themselves, ever. THE END

• UM????
  Jul 30, 2007 at 9:24 am

  ok, now you’ve spoken for how you feel, and I’m not disagreeing with you at all, you chose a gun, I chose self defense classes! Unless you sleep with your gun under your pillow or really close by and are able to grab it quickly, more power to you! I agree, blow the twits head off his shoulders! I however don’t need to struggle to get to a weapon, I AM the weapon! You have the right to chose the gun, I prefer not to have a gun in my home because the way I see it, first off it just gives the person entering my home yet another weapon to use against me should I lose that weapon in a struggle. Second, considering how many children have played with guns that weren’t properly locked up and hurt themselves or those around them (and has lead to death), well, again, a locked cabinet may stop the child from playing with the gun but do you think the guy is going to let you get your keys to get to it while he’s attacking you? Third, what if while your struggling with this person (who may have a weapon as well, and most of them carry them these days!) your gun goes off and accidentally hits one of your children who’s standing in the doorway to ask what’s going on (I have no idea how old your children are).

  I understand our victims feel, if you read through some of my other posts, then you’ll see that I’ve stated you can’t rely on police to always show up, that’s why I’ve stated that laws need to be changed and the ones given the task of enforcing the laws should be held accountable when they don’t do their part! Your saying you wouldn’t be a part of a group that if given the opportunity to come up with a solution to a problem concerning how to handle the crazys that get ahold of the guns if it meant a way for you to keep your rights? I’m sure most of the people that have gotten their guns probably had nothing wrong with them when they first got the permits, but are there routine followups to make sure that they haven’t blown a gasket in their brains once they’ve gotten the guns and that their still fit to have the weapon? Again, it’s called responsibility, and when people can’t be responsible for themselves, well sadly, yes, everyone around them has to pay that price, make an example for everyone to follow, that’s part of the problem today, everyone is so busy making excuses for people who commit a crime and everyone yells that the death penalty should be done away with, etc, there are no examples being made, no one is being made to take anything seriously, so everyone just does as they please knowing they’ll get away with it! If your being a responsible person with your right to carry a weapon, that’s great, but unfortunately not everyone takes their responsibilities seriously! And also, something I disagree with but hey, who am I to say it should be fixed….and you might want to keep this in mind…..first…if a guy breaks into your home and you shoot him, it’s considered murder, whereas if I beat the crap out of him with my hands/feet, etc, it’s considered self defense….second, that guy that you just shot for breaking into your home? Sadly, and again, I don’t agree with this but hey, it’s a crazy world and who am I to ask that it be changed….he can now sue you and your homeowners insurance for damages, same thing if you own a dog and the dog bites him….gee, sounds like something needs to be changed right? Because now your being penalized for even defending yourself! But that’s okay, you just sit there and let it all continue!

  I don’t need to hear your life story to “hear” in your words that you’ve been a victim of something (you don’t even know the tip of the iceburg on what I’ve been through!), I already had that impression, and I’m sorry, I can’t speak for whoever did whatever to you. But, just sitting back and stating that your not going to get involved in helping with coming up with a solution is also then you yourself taking your right away of having a government that’s RAN by the people, and it’s surely not helping those poor innocent children who didn’t ask for the life they were given and who are suffering everyday at the hands of parents who can’t be responsible!! So just because police or whoever have let you down in the past when you needed them, your not willing to be there for a child who has no one to protect them? I don’t know what a child ever did to you, but hey, that’s your right, don’t get involved if you don’t want to to come up with a solution, but also, don’t come on sites like this and downgrade those who are willing to speak up and try to make a difference!! Who knows, the same people you degrade here may be standing beside you at some point helping you defend your right to carry your concealed weapon, a child you help save could be a child that ends up one day helping you change your tire while your sitting at the si